When ‘tradition’ becomes a clear display of hatred

[WhereIsMyJumper]

Am I being unreasonable to be aghast at the bonfires in NI? Burning the tri-colour as well as an effigy of a migrant boat. How can this be referred to as ‘tradition’??

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/firefighters-take-two-hours-to-extinguish-controversial-bonfire-topped-with-migrant-boat-and-irish-flag-in-co-tyrone/a1274789953.html

Do you roll your eyes at everything?
How about roll your eyes at people arguing over whether one religion is better than another.
If you’re so easily offended by an effigy then that’s your problem and deserve an eye roll yourself

Nope. Enlighten me.

@GrammarTeacher said. ‘Merely being ginger is enough to raise their ire’. They were referring to the generalisation of being Irish/Catholic….A lot of Irish people have ginger hair. @OneLuckyBee

Right and is that particular to Catholics? Have all of the ginger Protestants managed to dismiss their own experience of having ginger hair themselves, ginger brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers?
Being ginger is most definitely a cross community activity.

The irony of Loyalists burning an effigy of immigrants. They arrived in Ireland 400 years ago and I don't think anyone invited them.

It's very different. It's the difference between privileged, high profile people: the famous, the rich, the powerful, the protected and the family who make up a tiny minority of the population, whose house you're passing on your way home.

It’s not a hate crime

I asked if you knew why. You said you didn’t. I explained the pps comment. I’m not arguing with you about it. People make generalisations and assumptions about others. That’s why the pp mentioned it.

No. I roll my eyes at the fact resistant.
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The people running this hatefest are paramilitaries driving people out of their homes. I'm not the one jumping through hoops to justify my support if them. I'm not the one ignorant of the facts regarding the situation in NI atm.

I am offended by your ignorance and your apoligism for terrorism and illegality.
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Away with your ill informed Tansplaining.
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Protestants didn't just pitch up on Ireland 400.years ago and 'Roman' Catholicism isn't native to Ireland. Mind blowing as that may seem.

Haters gotta hate and all that - only the very naive would think that signing a few bits of paper a few years ago would 'cure' generations of hating 'others' as a done deal.

So now it might not be burn the Catholics or ginger-haired people and even effigies of Guy Fawkes, widely accepted on the UK mainland; they're burning a different effigy instead.

The 'message' sent is the same as those sent not so long ago - stay out of our patch of ground. Message received here - I won't be moving my ginger English self anywhere near you.

@TooBigForMyBoots

I'm not sure that the civilians killed by Hamas and Hezbollah are particularly wealthy or powerful.

Are the civilians killed by Hamas and Hezbollah being burnt in effigy? WTF has that got to do with the 12th July hatefest in NI atm?🤯

Did you hurt yerself with that jump?

The population there must have changed very rapidly? This is the last census from 2021.

55.98% indicated that they had a British national identity, 31.28% had a Northern Irish national identity,12.31% had an Irish national identity, and 16.19% indicated an 'other' national identity.

I'm going to be honest and say that I don't believe you. I don't believe that Ballymena has gone from 16.19% other, 4.9% of them being non white to suddenly being the vast majority of the population. I'm open to you proving what you are saying is the truth though.

Your offended? Wow, doesn’t take much does it?
You assume I am oblivious to NI and its history. Just because I have a differing opinion does not make me ignorant

@TooBigForMyBoots

Kneecap have supporter Hezbollah and Hamas at their gigs, which some on the left find perfectly acceptable.

This is because they are loyalist extremists. Hth

@Nt23 the people burning the effigies do not see themselves as Irish they are loyalist Protestants who are British. I find it ironic that your statement on Irish people’s dim view of immigration fails in its realisation to understand that the biggest mass exodus from Ireland in the 1840’s over 2 million emigrated , 1 million died … was due to starvation and genocide caused by colonial rule in Ireland .

It’s a debate in itself if it constituted an actual genocide. Some would disagree.
Either way it was a really shit time for the Irish no doubt about it

You are oblivious to NI history. You thought the twelfth of July celebrations were about opposing foreigners.🙈