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Thread 5: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 11/07/2025 12:48

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Taytocrisps · 12/07/2025 17:56

The Observer had an advantage with last week's story. It was an exclusive, so they had time to work on it and fine tune it and painstakingly follow up with their sources. But now there's competition. There will be other journalists chasing up leads and potential interviewees.

I'm starting to think that Penguin are going to bury their heads in the sand, and hope the story dies down. But what will happen with Book No. 4? Will they quietly release it (without fanfare) as a fiction book? Will they cancel it? And if so, how much have they invested in it already? Are there thousands of copies sitting in a warehouse somewhere? Would any of you buy it, knowing what you know about the author?

And what of the film? Will the film company take action for potential loss of revenue? And will that action be against the Wynns, or against Penguin?

ClearStory · 12/07/2025 17:57

MyGodMyThighs · 12/07/2025 17:01

Also, if they arrived in winter, say, the hedgerows would have been not long cut back and pre-regrowth in the spring.

No human intervention required for the flourishing of flora and fauna that follows. Every year 😂

She’s specifically claiming that the farm they take over has breen overgrazed, and its land ‘poisoned’, though, rather than the area as a whole.

Though yes, it seems potentially wildly exaggerated to me, too, if within a few months of the previous tenants’ livestock being removed, and a bit of strimming and taking old rubbish away, it’s suddenly teeming with wildlife, having been devoid of it before. As far as l can judge, it’s just Moth working four hour days, too — Raynor is focused on book events.

Apart from anything else, the RSPB, or whichever wildlife organisation put the osprey nest sites in, is highly unlikely to have chosen a wildlife dead zone.

MyGodMyThighs · 12/07/2025 18:01

The cider farm is intriguing me still. It seemed they were going great guns 2015-2018 with their cider being supplied to some quite high end spots.

In 2019 they closed to visitors. And it seems to have just got smaller and quieter as an operation since then.

Could be symptomatic of a city owner just getting bored and moving on to the next project of course…

MyGodMyThighs · 12/07/2025 18:02

ClearStory · 12/07/2025 17:57

She’s specifically claiming that the farm they take over has breen overgrazed, and its land ‘poisoned’, though, rather than the area as a whole.

Though yes, it seems potentially wildly exaggerated to me, too, if within a few months of the previous tenants’ livestock being removed, and a bit of strimming and taking old rubbish away, it’s suddenly teeming with wildlife, having been devoid of it before. As far as l can judge, it’s just Moth working four hour days, too — Raynor is focused on book events.

Apart from anything else, the RSPB, or whichever wildlife organisation put the osprey nest sites in, is highly unlikely to have chosen a wildlife dead zone.

The livestock are still there. Not in the orchards of course but the farm still farms sheep and cows.

Fancyachilli · 12/07/2025 18:02

Someone was asking about the pronunciation of Tangye - it's Tang-ghee (like the clarified butter!). I went to school with Nigel's 2 youngest sons. My mum was a huge fan of his work and was the cook in the hospital he spent his final days. She was quite honoured that she had cooked him his last meal.

Orangesandlemons77 · 12/07/2025 18:09

Well of they saw this consultant in 2013 why didn't she include that letter? Doesn't make sense

KeepTalkingBeth · 12/07/2025 18:09

sualipa · 11/07/2025 21:08

The Irish Times, it seems, takes no grave offence at a touch of tale-spinning or the odd spot of back-garden banditry - never mind the truth, feel the craic!

The Irish Times view on the Salt Path controversy: what should we expect from a memoir? The unreliable author may be less a fraud than a mirror, showing us not who they are, but what we want them to be

In the annals of literary deception, the unreliable narrator has long been a familiar figure: a useful construct in novels, a sly wink to readers who know not to trust every sentence. Less familiar, though increasingly prevalent, is the unreliable author. In an age where memoirs are published and consumed with the reverence once reserved for sacred texts, the current controversy surrounding The Salt Path and its author, Raynor Winn, reopens old questions about the uneasy covenant between truth, storytelling, and the commercial allure of authenticity.

Winn’s bestselling memoir, which charts a journey of homelessness, illness and redemption along Britain’s South West Coast Path, was embraced not just for its lyrical prose but for its claim to lived experience. It was adapted into a film which was well received on its recent release. That it now faces scrutiny over factual inconsistencies – some significant, some trivial – recalls James Frey’s A Million Little Pieces, an addiction memoir later exposed as heavily embellished.

What is it about the memoir that leads to this type of controversy? Partly it is the genre’s paradoxical nature: shaped by the subjective impressions of memory yet marketed as unfiltered truth. Unlike the novel, the memoir makes a tacit promise to the reader: this happened, exactly as I say it did. When that pact is broken, the betrayal is not only literary but ethical.

The fault does not lie solely with authors. Publishers and readers, too, collude in the myth of the pure, unmediated self. We crave stories that are not just well-told but demonstrably true. Truth, in this context, becomes a kind of currency. And where there is currency, there is temptation.

Perhaps it is time to abandon the binary of truth and falsehood in favour of something more honest: a recognition that narrative, even in memoir, is construction. This is not to excuse fabrication, but to question our often naive appetite for the unvarnished self. The unreliable author, like the unreliable narrator, may be less a fraud than a mirror, showing us not who they are, but what we want them to be.

I know the thread has moved on but really what a load of old shit from the Irish Times. And what a way to spectacularly miss the important points.

It's not about constructing a narrative. It's about theft and obtaining money by deception.

Thank you for sharing @sualipa

Divegirl65 · 12/07/2025 18:11

Divegirl65 · 12/07/2025 10:53

I notice the last clinic letter she put on her website was from a north Wales NHS trust.

My mistake. It was the letter from 2019 that was from a north Wales trust.

Catwith69lives · 12/07/2025 18:11

Taytocrisps · 12/07/2025 17:56

The Observer had an advantage with last week's story. It was an exclusive, so they had time to work on it and fine tune it and painstakingly follow up with their sources. But now there's competition. There will be other journalists chasing up leads and potential interviewees.

I'm starting to think that Penguin are going to bury their heads in the sand, and hope the story dies down. But what will happen with Book No. 4? Will they quietly release it (without fanfare) as a fiction book? Will they cancel it? And if so, how much have they invested in it already? Are there thousands of copies sitting in a warehouse somewhere? Would any of you buy it, knowing what you know about the author?

And what of the film? Will the film company take action for potential loss of revenue? And will that action be against the Wynns, or against Penguin?

Won't Penguin expect the book to be promoted by the author in order to boost sales?

How easy is that going to be unless every reader has collective memory failure of the current brouhaha?

Unless you have a brass neck the size of Saturn, book fairs like Hay could become an extreme form of Chinese water torture for SW! Wonder if she is up for it if she is naturally shy and has £3m banked.

SwetSwetSwet · 12/07/2025 18:12

Fancyachilli · 12/07/2025 18:02

Someone was asking about the pronunciation of Tangye - it's Tang-ghee (like the clarified butter!). I went to school with Nigel's 2 youngest sons. My mum was a huge fan of his work and was the cook in the hospital he spent his final days. She was quite honoured that she had cooked him his last meal.

This thread really does have a long reach! 😁

ClearStory · 12/07/2025 18:13

Taytocrisps · 12/07/2025 17:56

The Observer had an advantage with last week's story. It was an exclusive, so they had time to work on it and fine tune it and painstakingly follow up with their sources. But now there's competition. There will be other journalists chasing up leads and potential interviewees.

I'm starting to think that Penguin are going to bury their heads in the sand, and hope the story dies down. But what will happen with Book No. 4? Will they quietly release it (without fanfare) as a fiction book? Will they cancel it? And if so, how much have they invested in it already? Are there thousands of copies sitting in a warehouse somewhere? Would any of you buy it, knowing what you know about the author?

And what of the film? Will the film company take action for potential loss of revenue? And will that action be against the Wynns, or against Penguin?

No idea about the film, but PRH could require RW to repay her advance for On Winter’s Hill and cancel it. Some of it will depend on what kind of contract she has with them, or where she is in that contract. I know little about memoir, but in fiction, someone with a successful debut will be offered multi-book deals subsequently. It might be that her current contract extends to a further book again beyond On Winter’s Hill.

In fiction, which I know more about, this would be a very late stage to pull a book scheduled for Oct. The MS will have been through various the stages of editing, proofread and typeset, cover design finalised, proofs sent out for other writers to provide admiring blurb material etc, and it may have gone to the printers.

But if they had some advance notice these allegations were coming, they will have frozen the upcoming book then.

Redheadedstepchild · 12/07/2025 18:17

lifeisgoodrightnow · 12/07/2025 17:39

I have a degenerative neurological condition. It’s not as simple as you describe. Your symptoms present as anything but neurological- muscle cramps or slight balance issues or grip problems you honestly think ‘trapped nerve’ or some such. Unfortunately any neurological consultant worth their salt ( pun deliberate) will soon find from a few tests - reflex - Romberg - flick test Hoffmann - babinski that your central nervous system has a serious issue and trust me - it’s the last thing you’re thinking when you go in. They don’t usually diagnose on the spot though they send you for MRI or similar tests to rule out / in several conditions that it could be.

When I first heard about this story a few years ago and googled Moth I was very surprised to see him still so fit and well though so was already questioning his diagnosis. But these conditions are complex and not well understood so I did think he’d been misdiagnosed or had an unusual form of the disorder.

Diagnostic practices may differ from country to country but my neurologist in Marseille sent me for MRIs of practically everything from the head down, plus:

EEG (The clockwork orange electrode rubber swimming cap test)

That felt more or less OK at the time. Not great. You have to open and close your eyes whilst they flash lights at you. Later on, after I'd got a forty minute bus ride across the city, another half an hour on the metro and the half hour shuttle bus back to the airport hotel, (I live in Corsica) I went completely wonky donkey and the receptionist called an ambulance.

I kind of fended them off and went back to my room to sleep.

And best of all, the EMG or nerve conduction test on my arms and legs. This is an instrument of pure torture. Basically elecrically charged long needles being stuck into your already jumping around electrically charged arms and legs.

It might be bearable if the person doing it is vaguely caring or prepares you for it but the rheumatogist, (not neurologist) who did mine was not very nice at all.

He had one catchphrase. "I am not a Nazi!"

He did a very good impression of one through.

Has Moth had these tests done? Because they won't be things you forget easily, put it that way.

ClearStory · 12/07/2025 18:18

MyGodMyThighs · 12/07/2025 18:02

The livestock are still there. Not in the orchards of course but the farm still farms sheep and cows.

That’s interesting. They did say in TWS that they wanted ‘Sam’ to ‘find someone else to use the grass’, as Moth says he doesn’t want to be tied to the farm 24/by owning livestock on it, he wants to go to Raynor’s book events and do another walk. So I suppose the grazing could have been let separately all along.

Uricon2 · 12/07/2025 18:18

Agree @KeepTalkingBeth

This is not to excuse fabrication, but to question our often naive appetite for the unvarnished self.

I'm not slightly interested in anyones "unvarnished self" because to some degree we are all "varnished" and have a right to be. I'm not bothered about (eg) tales about being repeatedly mistaken for Simon Armitage, or small errors of memory. I'm bothered that someone who embezzled a large sum of money and eventually lost their house through it reinvents themselves as a victim when recounting what purports to be a true story of their experience of house losing.

FurryHappyKittens · 12/07/2025 18:19

But if they had some advance notice these allegations were coming, they will have frozen the upcoming book then.

I wonder if they did freeze it then, though. Walker's legal team don't seem to have taken the allegations that seriously. I wonder if she blagged a bit and persuaded them there was nothing much to be revealed. Ditto Penguin.

And it wasn't until the actual article came out that they realised, like Chloe H, oh, actually, this was going to be a big scoop.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 12/07/2025 18:20

Redheadedstepchild · 12/07/2025 18:17

Diagnostic practices may differ from country to country but my neurologist in Marseille sent me for MRIs of practically everything from the head down, plus:

EEG (The clockwork orange electrode rubber swimming cap test)

That felt more or less OK at the time. Not great. You have to open and close your eyes whilst they flash lights at you. Later on, after I'd got a forty minute bus ride across the city, another half an hour on the metro and the half hour shuttle bus back to the airport hotel, (I live in Corsica) I went completely wonky donkey and the receptionist called an ambulance.

I kind of fended them off and went back to my room to sleep.

And best of all, the EMG or nerve conduction test on my arms and legs. This is an instrument of pure torture. Basically elecrically charged long needles being stuck into your already jumping around electrically charged arms and legs.

It might be bearable if the person doing it is vaguely caring or prepares you for it but the rheumatogist, (not neurologist) who did mine was not very nice at all.

He had one catchphrase. "I am not a Nazi!"

He did a very good impression of one through.

Has Moth had these tests done? Because they won't be things you forget easily, put it that way.

The first time I had the EMG thankfully my neurologist was lovely! He kept apologising for hurting me!
To begin with It felt a bit like the shocks I used to get sliding down a plastic slide with metal bolts in. But then it felt increasingly horrible!

It was in fact the most comically English appointment because I kept apologising for grimacing and he kept apologising for hurting me Grin

The second time I had a whole gaggle of medical students watching, so I think I tried to crack terrible jokes instead (my standard default when I am nervous Blush)

Catwith69lives · 12/07/2025 18:21

Orangesandlemons77 · 12/07/2025 18:09

Well of they saw this consultant in 2013 why didn't she include that letter? Doesn't make sense

Maybe it got lost in the hiatus of their eviction in 2013? If you'd ask me to retrieve every GP letter i've been sent in the last 15 years, I'd struggle!

Aspanielstolemysanity · 12/07/2025 18:21

A also had the single fibre EMG when they stick the needles in your face and run a current through. Deeply unpleasant! And you can't even pull faces to make sure everyone knows how much you are suffering Grin

lifeisgoodrightnow · 12/07/2025 18:22

Redheadedstepchild · 12/07/2025 18:17

Diagnostic practices may differ from country to country but my neurologist in Marseille sent me for MRIs of practically everything from the head down, plus:

EEG (The clockwork orange electrode rubber swimming cap test)

That felt more or less OK at the time. Not great. You have to open and close your eyes whilst they flash lights at you. Later on, after I'd got a forty minute bus ride across the city, another half an hour on the metro and the half hour shuttle bus back to the airport hotel, (I live in Corsica) I went completely wonky donkey and the receptionist called an ambulance.

I kind of fended them off and went back to my room to sleep.

And best of all, the EMG or nerve conduction test on my arms and legs. This is an instrument of pure torture. Basically elecrically charged long needles being stuck into your already jumping around electrically charged arms and legs.

It might be bearable if the person doing it is vaguely caring or prepares you for it but the rheumatogist, (not neurologist) who did mine was not very nice at all.

He had one catchphrase. "I am not a Nazi!"

He did a very good impression of one through.

Has Moth had these tests done? Because they won't be things you forget easily, put it that way.

Same here but usually spaced out over a few months or years. I can well believe it took a couple of years to diagnose him. I’m appalled they’ve been less than truthful about so many things though.

Catwith69lives · 12/07/2025 18:22

lifeisgoodrightnow · 12/07/2025 17:39

I have a degenerative neurological condition. It’s not as simple as you describe. Your symptoms present as anything but neurological- muscle cramps or slight balance issues or grip problems you honestly think ‘trapped nerve’ or some such. Unfortunately any neurological consultant worth their salt ( pun deliberate) will soon find from a few tests - reflex - Romberg - flick test Hoffmann - babinski that your central nervous system has a serious issue and trust me - it’s the last thing you’re thinking when you go in. They don’t usually diagnose on the spot though they send you for MRI or similar tests to rule out / in several conditions that it could be.

When I first heard about this story a few years ago and googled Moth I was very surprised to see him still so fit and well though so was already questioning his diagnosis. But these conditions are complex and not well understood so I did think he’d been misdiagnosed or had an unusual form of the disorder.

Many thanks for sharing.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 12/07/2025 18:23

Catwith69lives · 12/07/2025 18:21

Maybe it got lost in the hiatus of their eviction in 2013? If you'd ask me to retrieve every GP letter i've been sent in the last 15 years, I'd struggle!

Yeah I can't even find the ones I was sent last week to be fair
But if I knew journalists we're sniffing around and I knew I had evidence that could refute the allegations I would be ringing my hospital every hour till they sent me copies!

sualipa · 12/07/2025 18:23

FurryHappyKittens · 12/07/2025 17:15

My dad was a compulsive liar. And everything that didn't go right for him was always someone else's fault. He completely lacked self awareness. He was also very charming. People fell for his charm all the time!

Trump/Boris - their crimes many many 1000s of times that of the Walkers/Winns which I suppose why my anger, such as it is, which it isn't , is so muted and many millions of folks voted for them knowing such that they are compulsive liars and rogues in every respect. We live in a fallen world. She/they wrote books which were loved by millions and they now appear to have feet of clay. I doubt this story will get to 11 days which was the Alasdair Campbell sniff test as to whether a story had real legs.

Uricon2 · 12/07/2025 18:23

Catwith69lives · 12/07/2025 18:21

Maybe it got lost in the hiatus of their eviction in 2013? If you'd ask me to retrieve every GP letter i've been sent in the last 15 years, I'd struggle!

Agreed, but if your reputation was resting on it I bet you could ask for a copy. It's not that long ago.

Uricon2 · 12/07/2025 18:25

Sending big love to everyone on this thread who has had painful tests for their conditions. (())

Choux · 12/07/2025 18:26

Penguin may have stopped progressing the process towards publication several weeks ago if they already knew about the allegations. It could be they only decided to issue the statement that publication was delayed this week.

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