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Thread 5: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 11/07/2025 12:48

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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AldoGordo · 11/07/2025 20:38

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 20:26

I'm now very interested in their move from Burton-upon-Trent where Tim was working in the family business as a plasterer. Their story that they wanted to bring their children up rurally sounds plausible. But could they have been moving away from potential problems even then?

The problem for the Walkers is that every single aspect of what Sally Walker has told us is now up for scrutiny. And I very much doubt they did all of the walking they said they did. I think they did bits of it, and she's filled in the rest. The walks they do are not for the faint hearted. Apparently the SWCP is like ascending four everests!

And look for info about the Cape Wrath Trail. This is a walk that they claim they did when Tim was apparently much worse than he was back in 2013.

From the website www.capewrathtrail.org.uk

Although some sections follow paths and tracks, there are also many parts of the route which are pathless; walkers attempting the trail shoud have a high degree of navigational skill, and always carry a map and compass. There are also several unbridged river crossings which can become dangerous or even impossible in spate conditions. Altogether the route is usually regarded as the greatest backpacking challenge in the UK.

I agree. I've done the Cape Wrath Trail (in my 20) and its one of the most demanding I've ever done. I've met people who have started and given up due to underestimating it, especially in poor weather. It would be interesting to see historic weather records for the time RayMoth did it.

Ammophila · 11/07/2025 20:40

Cakeandcheeseforever · 11/07/2025 20:14

Thank you to the person who shared the times article https://archive.ph/g3sOO

I was quite taken that according to the relative asked for money, Moth had said Raynor took several credit cards out in his name without his knowledge. If we can believe that, does it indicate she has some kind of impulsive money spending problem? Would he have been angry around this time? I know I would be if put in that situation. Yet he seems to have been very loyal to her.

That was a bit that stood out for me. I think they agreed a mutual support arrangement. Assuming he is ill (with something) and she was up to her eyeballs in debt, he pretended he knew nothing about her theft and forgery (including forging his signature to get the credit cards) as long as she stayed with him. Just a thought, anyway.

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 20:46

Woolftown · 11/07/2025 17:58

Ros Hemmings is doubling down in the Times
https://archive.ph/g3sOO

Just quoting this for anyone who missed it earlier in the thread.

Catwith69lives · 11/07/2025 20:47

I've walked most of the SWCP and have wondered if indeed the Walkers completed the 630 miles as claimed.

I note from TSP that on page 202 they finish the first part of the walk in October at Polruan and the following year, in 2014, start again at Old Harry Rocks (p222). The distance between these two points is 247 miles. There is no mention of any walking between these two points on the SWCP....

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 20:48

This is what their family have said about them:

Another source close to the Walkers also disputed the book’s interpretation of events, saying that their relatives felt “betrayed and angry” when the embezzlement claims emerged.

The source said the family felt bitter about the book misrepresenting their lives. “It seems to me that everything has been twisted,” they said.

“You will reap what you sow eventually. You’re trying to pull the wool over people’s eyes. “You’ve delicately built a house of cards and now it’s come tumbling down. What were you expecting to happen?”

Bruisername · 11/07/2025 20:50

It sounds like they’ve made enough money to disappear for a bit and then reappear in a couple of years with a Netflix deal

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 20:50

Let's not forget what their nephew said about them - they they were pathological liars - both of them, not just her.

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 20:52

Catwith69lives · 11/07/2025 20:47

I've walked most of the SWCP and have wondered if indeed the Walkers completed the 630 miles as claimed.

I note from TSP that on page 202 they finish the first part of the walk in October at Polruan and the following year, in 2014, start again at Old Harry Rocks (p222). The distance between these two points is 247 miles. There is no mention of any walking between these two points on the SWCP....

So, at most, about 380 miles then!

(If that...)

Ammophila · 11/07/2025 20:52

Catwith69lives · 11/07/2025 20:47

I've walked most of the SWCP and have wondered if indeed the Walkers completed the 630 miles as claimed.

I note from TSP that on page 202 they finish the first part of the walk in October at Polruan and the following year, in 2014, start again at Old Harry Rocks (p222). The distance between these two points is 247 miles. There is no mention of any walking between these two points on the SWCP....

I could be misremembering here, but I thought there was a point where they fetched up on Weymouth seafront and then collapsed and needed help. Pretty sure they didn't do the whole path though.

AldoGordo · 11/07/2025 20:53

Catwith69lives · 11/07/2025 20:47

I've walked most of the SWCP and have wondered if indeed the Walkers completed the 630 miles as claimed.

I note from TSP that on page 202 they finish the first part of the walk in October at Polruan and the following year, in 2014, start again at Old Harry Rocks (p222). The distance between these two points is 247 miles. There is no mention of any walking between these two points on the SWCP....

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding your point, but doesn't TSP have them walking the second leg in reverse from the end point of the SWCP back to Polruan?

Bruisername · 11/07/2025 20:56

Interesting as well that the book delay focussed on the toll the questioning of his condition has had- no mention of her criminal past!!!

I suspect he is sick and he will be a lot worse now than 18 years ago - whatever it is. I suspect she is going to use his health to try and escape this when I think she would be far better saying she will never discuss his health again

Catwith69lives · 11/07/2025 20:57

Yes - you are exactly right! Comment withdrawn.

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 21:05

AldoGordo · 11/07/2025 20:11

Wow, The Times piece really dials it up, while still holding back. Now we have a version that doesn't even have bailiffs at the door with RayMoth hiding in a cupboard, which pretty much sets up the opening of the book and her idea to walk. Instead, they departed in darkness and the bailiffs smashed their way in.

What is true about any of the story apart from losing a house (through theft and fraud), Moth having a problem (undiagnosed), and going for a walk? Are the anecdotes made up? Is most of it fiction? It should never have been published as non-fiction that's for sure.

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I would dearly love to read the novel that was written and published by Gangani. Who knows what parts of both would be very similar,

I suspect there are journos trying to track it down.

sualipa · 11/07/2025 21:08

The Irish Times, it seems, takes no grave offence at a touch of tale-spinning or the odd spot of back-garden banditry - never mind the truth, feel the craic!

The Irish Times view on the Salt Path controversy: what should we expect from a memoir? The unreliable author may be less a fraud than a mirror, showing us not who they are, but what we want them to be

In the annals of literary deception, the unreliable narrator has long been a familiar figure: a useful construct in novels, a sly wink to readers who know not to trust every sentence. Less familiar, though increasingly prevalent, is the unreliable author. In an age where memoirs are published and consumed with the reverence once reserved for sacred texts, the current controversy surrounding The Salt Path and its author, Raynor Winn, reopens old questions about the uneasy covenant between truth, storytelling, and the commercial allure of authenticity.

Winn’s bestselling memoir, which charts a journey of homelessness, illness and redemption along Britain’s South West Coast Path, was embraced not just for its lyrical prose but for its claim to lived experience. It was adapted into a film which was well received on its recent release. That it now faces scrutiny over factual inconsistencies – some significant, some trivial – recalls James Frey’s A Million Little Pieces, an addiction memoir later exposed as heavily embellished.

What is it about the memoir that leads to this type of controversy? Partly it is the genre’s paradoxical nature: shaped by the subjective impressions of memory yet marketed as unfiltered truth. Unlike the novel, the memoir makes a tacit promise to the reader: this happened, exactly as I say it did. When that pact is broken, the betrayal is not only literary but ethical.

The fault does not lie solely with authors. Publishers and readers, too, collude in the myth of the pure, unmediated self. We crave stories that are not just well-told but demonstrably true. Truth, in this context, becomes a kind of currency. And where there is currency, there is temptation.

Perhaps it is time to abandon the binary of truth and falsehood in favour of something more honest: a recognition that narrative, even in memoir, is construction. This is not to excuse fabrication, but to question our often naive appetite for the unvarnished self. The unreliable author, like the unreliable narrator, may be less a fraud than a mirror, showing us not who they are, but what we want them to be.

Cakeandcheeseforever · 11/07/2025 21:18

Merrymouse · 11/07/2025 20:25

I think they might just be very bad with money - the kind of people who look at the price of property and think they can turn it into a business, but without any idea of the additional costs, so they quickly get into trouble.

But that also raises questions about how they managed to get a mortgage with apparently no income - were banks and building societies just really lax in the 90's?

And how would they have had money to invest in somebody else's business?

Also how did she get jobs bookkeeping?

@Merrymouse Ros Hemmings remembers her as very, very pleasant so perhaps that was enough to get the bookkeeping jobs, since they don’t usually require accounting qualifications (or didn’t in the past). And what attracted her to the bookkeeping jobs? Perhaps the potential to embezzle?

DisappointedReader · 11/07/2025 21:19

and in her last book (Landlines) said that brain scans of before and after their most recent walk show that the disease had regressed.

I think this was another very important aspect missing from the medical letters released for them to evidence that Raynor/Sally has not exaggerated Moth/Tim's illness. She claimed IIRC that the second scan was completely clear. That is a huge claim to make.

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FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 19:57

@Wiltingasparagusfern

Sally Walker has, over the last seven years, both in her books and in interviews, said that in 2013, just as they lost their home, that her husband Tim was diagnosed as potentially having CBD, a terminal disease. She has said they couldn't confirm the diagnosis because that could only be done post mortem. She has spoken freely about consultants in 2013 saying he would be lucky to have another two years of life.

However, he was actually diagnosed with potential CBS, in June 2015, two years after the walk detailed in TSP. CBS is a syndrome that shows symptoms, and they were, as stated in the letter by the consultant, very mild.

In her books she states how going on long walks of over 600 miles across challenging terrain reduced the symptoms of his terminal disease, and in her last book (Landlines) said that brain scans of before and after their most recent walk show that the disease had regressed.

CBD doesn't regress, it just gets worse, and is usually fatal within about 8 years.

CBS on the other hand, can be fairly mild, and was in Tim's case, as evidenced by the letter Sally Walker herself produced.

That's the issue.

That is incorrect, @FurryHappyKittens. CBD and CBS are the same thing. Corticobasal degeneration (CBD) is what happens to the brain. Corticobasal syndrome (CBS) is the name for the symptoms caused by CBD. It is a terminal diagnosis. Albeit, in Moth’s case, an atypical very slowly progressing form of CBD. If he were diagnosed before the walk, he probably would have been advised that life expectancy is 5-10 years after the onset of symptoms.

All that can be reasonably concluded from the letters that Raynor has published is that Moth does have a working diagnosis of CBD/CBS. Everyone is honing in on the wording of the letter to put 2 and 2 together to make 3069 that the 2015 letter is when CBD was first diagnosed. It may well be that the original diagnosis was CBD, that changed when the disease didn’t progress as expected, and this letter is worded like that because the consultant now thinks it is CBD. It could be the first time he saw this consultant. It could be a second opinion.

It is unlikely that they have access to his full medical records and old letters at the drop of the hat so you can’t assume that there is no evidence of an earlier diagnosis. Yet. We will have to wait and see.

DisappointedReader · 11/07/2025 21:25

FurryHappyKittens · 11/07/2025 21:05

I would dearly love to read the novel that was written and published by Gangani. Who knows what parts of both would be very similar,

I suspect there are journos trying to track it down.

I sense an up-and-coming bidding war on eBay.

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User14March · 11/07/2025 21:27

DisappointedReader · 11/07/2025 21:25

I sense an up-and-coming bidding war on eBay.

They def are. Has Penguin bought up copies? Odd nowhere.

diningiswest · 11/07/2025 21:28

It is unlikely that they have access to his full medical records and old letters at the drop of the hat so you can’t assume that there is no evidence of an earlier diagnosis. Yet. We will have to wait and see.

Although for most of us the records at least are easily available on the NHS app these days.

Orangesandlemons77 · 11/07/2025 21:30

DisappointedReader · 11/07/2025 21:25

I sense an up-and-coming bidding war on eBay.

I can't remember the name of the book, but this site is usually good for finding rare titles

www.bookfinder.com

Fandango52 · 11/07/2025 21:32

swpath · 11/07/2025 18:49

London Marathon
2024 Raynor Winn finishes
Moth Winn entered but no time
2020 no Winn, but interestingly a Timothy Walker and a Sally Walker....

According to your post above (if I’ve understood correctly), didn’t they both enter the 2023 marathon and finish with a time of 08:17?

DisappointedReader · 11/07/2025 21:33

I have reported your post in triplicate @LiteralLunatic - hopefully MNHQ will delete the extras shortly.

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