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Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 20:23

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

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Lunde · 09/07/2025 21:22

nomas · 09/07/2025 21:12

What happened to the house lottery where buyers of the book were purportedly entered into a prize draw to win their house in Wales?

Did the draw not take place?

Did they keep the money?

PhilippaGeorgiou · 09/07/2025 21:23

That is an unusuay measured article, in that it says absolutely nothing. It repeats what has been said, but it examines the defense in no way. I suspect the are standing back and waiting to see what happens next. Assuming they don't already know what it will be.

FurryHappyKittens · 09/07/2025 21:23

Some BTL comments on the Telegraph's article:

Blimey talk about still digging when you're already in a Hole ! Yes Raynor (sorry Sally) when somebody else has made a mistake that's what you do.....you borrow a 100,000 and give it to them. What a sociopath
...

"I made mistakes" = "I embezzled my employer". Fortunately for you the employer agreed a settlement which is how you avoided being convicted.
...

She paid £64,000 to her employer because she didn’t have the evidence she hadn’t stolen it??? Wow

Aspanielstolemysanity · 09/07/2025 21:23

NetZeroZealot · 09/07/2025 21:15

Or maybe she’s like Prince Harry and thinks she knows better than they do?

I expect that is the case yes Grin

Catwith69lives · 09/07/2025 21:26

Regarding the French property - the Observer article claims it is in The Village du Dropt (47210 Pardaillon) around 45 mins from Bordeaux. A google earth search suggests that there are just 6 properties in the village and none of the plots look ripe for a property development. Very bizarre as is the statement that the Observer article has got the property address in the Village du Dropt, wrong.

If the plot they bought in France was indeed nothing more than a worthless heap of brambles, why on earth would a UK bank have allowed a Welsh property to be remortgaged in order to buy it?

Aspanielstolemysanity · 09/07/2025 21:26

Does anyone have a link that enables me to read the telegraph article without signing up with bank details (something I am reluctant to do as I don't have a spare french chateau down the back of the sofa)!

Bluecat7 · 09/07/2025 21:26

I can’t get over the remortgaging of the house to buy worthless property in France to prevent it getting developed. Absolute madness!

sualipa · 09/07/2025 21:27

Aspanielstolemysanity · 09/07/2025 21:26

Does anyone have a link that enables me to read the telegraph article without signing up with bank details (something I am reluctant to do as I don't have a spare french chateau down the back of the sofa)!

I stole it I am a bad person ! https://archive.ph/4zlfn

Aspanielstolemysanity · 09/07/2025 21:28

sualipa · 09/07/2025 21:27

I stole it I am a bad person ! https://archive.ph/4zlfn

You mean you "accidentally made some mistakes and cant prove you didn't steal it"?

sualipa · 09/07/2025 21:29

Catwith69lives · 09/07/2025 21:26

Regarding the French property - the Observer article claims it is in The Village du Dropt (47210 Pardaillon) around 45 mins from Bordeaux. A google earth search suggests that there are just 6 properties in the village and none of the plots look ripe for a property development. Very bizarre as is the statement that the Observer article has got the property address in the Village du Dropt, wrong.

If the plot they bought in France was indeed nothing more than a worthless heap of brambles, why on earth would a UK bank have allowed a Welsh property to be remortgaged in order to buy it?

Edited

Could be this one in the top left.

Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
FurryHappyKittens · 09/07/2025 21:31

From her statement:

The dispute with Martin Hemmings, referred to in the Observer by his wife, is not the court case in The Salt Path. Nor did it result in us losing our home. Mr Hemmings is not Cooper. Mrs Hemmings is not in the book, nor is she a relative of someone who is.

I notice she calls it a dispute and, as per many times in her books, makes it sound like someone else is at fault. In this case Martin Hemmings. Despicable woman.

The rest of it is incoherent nonsense. I notice she doesn't refer here to any kind of family member who might be involved.

I can't believe lawyers would suggest she make this statement!

Bruisername · 09/07/2025 21:31

It may well have been due to be developed but I would imagine most likely into a family home or at worst a commercial premise of sorts

I just don’t understand why they would buy it on that basis? Ok

sualipa · 09/07/2025 21:32

Aspanielstolemysanity · 09/07/2025 21:28

You mean you "accidentally made some mistakes and cant prove you didn't steal it"?

LOL !!!! Thanks for that I was trying on a Puritan hat at the time and seeing if ebay sold ducking stools. (They don't!)

MrsKypp · 09/07/2025 21:34

In the interview linked to by @FurryHappyKittens in the Telegraph, she states he received a "terminal diagnosis".

None of the letters by NHS doctors she has published mention it being a "terminal diagnosis"

FurryHappyKittens · 09/07/2025 21:35

If the plot they bought in France was indeed nothing more than a worthless heap of brambles, why on earth would a UK bank have allowed a Welsh property to be remortgaged in order to buy it?

And why on earth would they want it?

There was a comment on the DM article that said they'd been plastering when they were out there, so it must have been in some sort of nick when they bought it.

dapsnotplimsolls · 09/07/2025 21:35

Bruisername · 09/07/2025 21:31

It may well have been due to be developed but I would imagine most likely into a family home or at worst a commercial premise of sorts

I just don’t understand why they would buy it on that basis? Ok

Nuclear power plant? Refugee camp? Holiday home for Putin? The mind boggles.

WolfFoxHare · 09/07/2025 21:35

sualipa · 09/07/2025 20:35

Taken at face value, her statement knocks down quite a few of the foxes currently running unless or until new evidence proves otherwise. I seem to recall the Nicola Bulley threads went on for 10,000 posts, and let’s be honest, it wasn’t Mumsnet’s finest hour. She's a flawed human being in a messy world, like the rest of us. Just yesterday, plenty of posters were convinced that Moth’s illness whatever it was had been completely faked. That particular line of doubt now seems pretty well closed down.

How does a statement from someone accused of being a liar prove or disprove anything? It could be more lies, without evidence being provided.

And what kind of idiot accepts a loan from someone who owes you money?! It sounds like yet more prevarications to me.

KeepTalkingBeth · 09/07/2025 21:35

But if the French property was worthless why did they need to take a mortgage of £230k to buy it?

The observer article says that their Welsh home had a mortgage for £230,000 when they set up the raffle. On today's statement SW says that they had to take a mortgage to buy the French house. I'm assuming the two are connected.

Also SW explains that their French property is adjacent to that of a relative's. Who is that relative and why did SW and TW take such a huge financial risk to buy the adjacent plot? If it was so crucial that the plot didn't fall into the hands of the developer, why didn't the relative buy it? Why did this fall on SW & TW?

More questions than answers

PhilippaGeorgiou · 09/07/2025 21:36

I didn't steal any money, it just disappeared in a puff of smoke and I got the blame and couldn't prove my innocence.

I bought a worthless property in France with a mortgage on my house.

I loaned somebody money that they couldn't pay back so I accepted a loan from them instead.

Etc., etc.

Either she is the thickest person in the world, or is even more gullible than some of her readers.

Noshadelamp · 09/07/2025 21:37

From Ray/Sally's statement:
Among the Observer’s many accusations, the most heart breaking is the suggestion that Moth has made up his illness.

She's throwing him under the bus here, Moth's not being accused of it, she is, she's the one who wrote the books!

Bruisername · 09/07/2025 21:38

Noshadelamp · 09/07/2025 21:37

From Ray/Sally's statement:
Among the Observer’s many accusations, the most heart breaking is the suggestion that Moth has made up his illness.

She's throwing him under the bus here, Moth's not being accused of it, she is, she's the one who wrote the books!

Yes I agree

he he is clearly sick and it seems clear any suggestion of CBD was after the walk

she wrote the book so she is the one who chose to lie about his illness. He has obviously benefitted from that lie though

i I think the charity dropping them so quickly may have been after seeing these letters so I’m surprised she shared them

AldoGordo · 09/07/2025 21:38

In case anyone finds this a useful recap, I think it's fair to say the main issue is that readers and fans of The Salt Path and RW are incredibly upset from being duped by the "true" story of the Salt Path.

That story hinges on the Winn's becoming homeless (bad luck and a bad investment), near penniless (loss of income of holiday rental & court costs) and facing the awful terror of a tentative terminal diagnosis (clinical, professional judgement) from a long term health issue. All of this drives the Winns to walk the path and undertake a journey of redemption, coming out the other side "reborn" as per traditional "heroes journey" narratives.

What has come to light is that what happened in reality, even with RW's rebuttal and letters, could never fit this emotionally appealing story arc. Thus readers are rightfully upset who invested emotionally and empathetically to the Winns plight.

The story arc now fails as a true story because the Winn's homelessness was in fact the ultimate result of, at best "accounting mistakes", at worse, embezzlement, as well as somehow allowing the home you love to be collateral for a huge loan required to fix those "accounting mistakes." This isn't bad luck. Their actions and choices caused their situation - it was in, not out of, their hands. Our emotions do not sympathise heavily in this scenario compared with the book.

Meanwhile, the tentative terminal diagnosis comes in 2015, two years after the walk. The very essence of The Salt Path narrative is driven by RW's desperation of losing Moth to this illness. But in reality, they walked it with simply not knowing what he had. No doubt his struggles were and are real, but the picture painted by the book is that he is dying, or perceived to be dying in the eyes of RW. This is where readers have been emotionally duped, and where the narrative seriously departs from the true chain of events.

What we instead have is a couple who lost their family home due to their own bad, allegedly criminal, choices. A husband who has some long term unknown and intermittent problem with his movement. And finally, their walk of the SWCP for a couple of months while they work out what to do. Herein lies the deceipt to the reader.

[Note: the tentative terminal diagnosis comes in 2015 which must have been awful for them. Around the same time RW starts to write the book. It's inexcusable, but I can perhaps start to understand how this terminal diagnosis crept into the Salt Path narrative when she was writing and looking for a hook to hang the story on. If only she'd been upfront.]

FurryHappyKittens · 09/07/2025 21:39

Noshadelamp · 09/07/2025 21:37

From Ray/Sally's statement:
Among the Observer’s many accusations, the most heart breaking is the suggestion that Moth has made up his illness.

She's throwing him under the bus here, Moth's not being accused of it, she is, she's the one who wrote the books!

OMG! I hadn't noticed that.

It is always someone else,isn't it?

Colddayhotcuppa · 09/07/2025 21:42

DiamondThrone · 09/07/2025 20:29

Quoting @savory from the previous thread:

But still, loads of people connected with their story. It clearly moved people and gave them hope, and I don't think that should be thrown out entirely.

They connected with it because they thought it was true.

Couldn't agree more. Posters keep saying their story moved and touched so many people. Because people thought it was true. That's the whole point of this discussion.

Catwith69lives · 09/07/2025 21:46

Regarding Moth's CBD diagnosis. On page 15 of TSP Raynor Winn quotes the specialist ("this doctor was the top dog, head of his field, the real deal") as saying (in 2013) "I believe you have corticobasal degeneration, CBD. We can't be absolutely certain about the diagnosis. There is no test, so we'll only know at post-mortem".

As to how long Moth has to live the specialist states " Well, I would normally say six to eight years from onset. But yours seems to be very slow progressing as it's already been six years since you presented with a problem".

The specialist doesn't give a firm timeline, but the implication seems to be that at best Moth only has a few years to live and the diagnosis is terminal.

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