Thread 3: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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One thing intrigues me - has Moth Winn/Timothy Walker ever been interviewed by a journalist over the years? If not, why not? I am sure he has a story to tell.

I think the source needs to be added to any dates, just in case they're made up... 😄

I know agricultural devastation can exist but I wonder if that is the case at this historic place. From the Haye website

Haye Farm Cider is a small family-run business that is probably the oldest maker of traditional cider in the world, with cider having been produced on the farm since the 13th Century using apples from its orchard. Haye Farm itself nestles in stunning rural Cornwall countryside midway between the coast at Polruan and Fowey. The farm enjoys the most wonderful views overlooking the beautiful and unspoiled River Fowey and Penpoll Creek. Both the River and Creek are excellent havens for a wide range of birds and wildlife such as herons, kingfishers, buzzards, swans, and egrets.

It doesn't sound like it really needed Raymoth to come to save it by the labours of their 4 hands. If it had been as bad as they said, it would have taken a lot more people a lot longer and the land much more time to recover properly.

Is anything they've said true?

ETA the earliest they could have been at the farm, by their own account (😂OK) is 2018. They've also been wandering around Iceland etc during that period.

1960: Timothy Walker is born.

1962: Sally Winn is born.

1986: They marry in Portree in Scotland.

Summer 2013 (July/August?): Moth gets diagnosed with what appears to be CBD, they have the court case, then lose the house in Wales and start the walk.

Having said that though, I’m sure I saw something that queried the date when they started the walk. I think the generally accepted date is sometime in August 2013, but I thought I saw something - maybe on here - saying they may not have started the walk till a couple of months later?

Richard Osman on This is Entertainment did a timeline for the calling in of the loan. It happened over quite a long time.

When did the Hemmings discover the embezzlement?

They started the walk on a Thursday in early August 2013.

Oh gosh, I'm older than them and have had power banks as emergency phone back up whilst travelling for many years!

Yes I realised that afterwards. It was a long while ago. Fair enough. However forgetting meds for his condition? And basic items like a hat for sun etc…?

And in early 2015, SW's mother died, by which time they were living "in limbo" I think, but I don't know where or on whose generosity.

You know who it is reminding me of, that awful writer from the Daily Mail, Liz Jones. It's similar in the ways of using people, writing about them and slagging them off, being the victim, narcissism etc.

Yes there's a few years missing from the farm up for sale and the TSP walk, certainly another few years missing to publication.

Publication 22 March 2018. The Salt Path.

It was a Thursday afternoon August 2013 when they set out to walk the path.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/dec/06/home-is-a-state-of-mind-you-dont-need-walls

Great idea.

OK, if anyone would like to post a date, details you are certain of and include your source - please double-check your facts before posting! - in a separate post and tag in @AWanderingFool that might work ok.

it is true that a lot of agricultural land is barren of the plant and animal life that used to live there, it loses a lot of natural cover, there are gaps in the hedgerows so that there are no longer the wildlife corridors that there once were, and water has been managed to go in a straight line rather than perhaps the wiggly path it might have previously taken, including creating wetland habitats for some species. I never really thought about it much until I heard a talk by one of the Wildlife Trusts, and saw the difference between the fields that were basically just grass and the rather sparse hedgerow compared to what would’ve been there previously. From memory, nightingales were one species that they had been successful in bringing back.

Oh yes! Can you imagine her doing the SWCP? Accompanied by various semi feral dogs, a lame horse and with frequent stops for waxes.

2007: They buy a house in France, not far from Bordeaux.

2008: Raynor/Sally visits distant relatives ‘Rebecca and James’ (assumed names from Observer article) in London to tell them she was going to be prosecuted for taking money from Yale and Hemmings estate agents in Pwllheli.

September 2012: Death of Martin Hemmings, who owned Yale and Hemmings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salt_Path

Publication date.

Someone posted an announcement from when Sally's parents married and you see where the names come from - all family names including Thomas used as aurhor Izzy Wyn Thomas.
Raynor was a family surname.

I doubt this was the first time using different names, the first time stealing from others and the first time being "on the run".

Moth/Tim too - was he unaware, was it joint enterprise, was he the driving force or was she? @DisappointedReader

I can't see how he could have been unaware.
We don't know their dynamics because there's very little of Tim/Moth in the books.
Which is odd in itself.

I would hate for it to turn out she's been trapped in something and forced to commit crimes against her will.
Why did she need to steal so much money from her family run employer?
There are so many questions and the further you go into possiblies the darker it becomes.

Just to add my sources are all taken from the Observer article and posts on here, apart from Martin Hemmings obituary (https://funeral-notices.co.uk/notice/hemmings/1530465). Sorry, forgot to tag @AWanderingFool!

I still remained convinced the the DM are priming them for a sad face interview.

"Have all the other publications been nasty to you? Come to us and tell everyone how wronged you've been. We haven't published any damning articles about you".

@AWanderingFool Death of SW's mother registered in q1 2015 (source GRO website of registered deaths) - relevant as the death plays a key part in her second book.

2002 - 2008 - both at an address in the Pwllheli area (source 192.com)

I suppose that Moth was not working and couldn't claim benefits because he didn't have a diagnosis / wasn't bad enough, maybe that drove her to desperation?

Sorry that was in reply to

Why did she need to steal so much money from her family run employer?

Loving that @AWanderingFool has become MNs very own Jessica Fletcher!

Just reading the Wikipedia link someone mentioned.
I was busy wrangling small children when the book came out so didn't have much time for reading book reviews. Is this statement in the Wikipedia intro true, that it was "universally welcomed warmly by critics"? It didn't get any bad or critical reviews?

Edit: I guess "universally welcomed warmly" isn't quite the same as "universally praised" so perhaps they were being deliberately careful in their wording. But nonetheless, I am surprised no book reviewers commented on the rather obvious issues.

@AWanderingFool Likely births of 2 children (in East Staffs region) in 1989 and 1990

(source Freebmd)

I hope they get it in a way. I'm sure it will be tempting to do a 'clap back' interview to cry about how hurt and wronged they are. They do seem so entrenched in this life they have created that they probably believe the lies themselves. People like that are usually fairly easy to get to reveal too much, the fact that they clearly never thought any of their past would come out just goes to show how brazen and deluded they are.

Sadly, in this day and age of "my truth" and people who will be willing to support them simply because they want the lies to be true (particularly regarding curing severe illness without conventional medicine), they will probably manage to drum up a lot of supporters and followers.