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EllieEllie25 · 09/07/2025 10:25

champagnetrial · 09/07/2025 09:34

Ellias and Baxter arrive in North Wales with a van full of children and dreams for their future. They aren’t expecting the investment that future is based on, to go so painfully wrong.
Jeremy scans the property markets of the world in a cocaine fuelled race to the next big deal, but will his past and the pending economic tsunami catch up with him?

It's interesting that this book (pub 2012) sounds like a precursor to TSP (pub 2016). Ellias and Baxter = Raynor and Moth. Jeremy = 'Cooper'. The cover tagline reads: A True Welsh Thriller, where the only dead body is a sheep'.

I mean, you've got the origin story of TSP there, right down to the sheep. Which suggests the idea may have been germinating for a while.

Yes that’s interesting. And like with James Frey, they learned that a fiction version of such stupid chaotic people was of no interest to anyone, so repackaged it as “triumph of hope over adversity” memoir.

Idontpostmuch · 09/07/2025 10:27

EsmaCannonball · 09/07/2025 00:44

James Herriot's books are inspired by his experiences but are not completely true to life. They are more of a slice of life as a vet at a particular time. However, it would be an entirely different matter if Alf Wight turned out to actually be an accountant living in Watford or if he had never gone to veterinary college and had scammed his clients for years or if he was claiming to have miraculously cured terminally ill pets and farm animals with natural remedies and if you were inspired by his animal wellness advice you might defy your beloved pet's prognosis as well.

The reasons why authors embellish or change their stories matter.

Yes, good point

AWanderingFool · 09/07/2025 10:29

Sorry for misspelling Gigspanner!

Some venues have cancelled but these are the ones I think are still going ahead as advertised on their FB.

https://www.facebook.com/gigspannerbigband

Idontpostmuch · 09/07/2025 10:30

Redheadedstepchild · 09/07/2025 01:00

No. It has to be a wery, wery ware bwain disease.

@Redheadedstepchild love your 2 posts. Good to have some lightheartedness on this thread.

Ammophila · 09/07/2025 10:31

I have an unread copy of Landlines on my bookcase. DH bought it for me when it came out. Lovely hardback copy. Well, I say lovely - beautiful artwork from Angela Harding.

I'll still read it, soon but with a sceptical view of everything she says, given recent events. Then its off to the charity shop. I have two beautiful books by Angela Harding with lots of her stunning artwork in, so don't need to keep it for that reason.

DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 10:34

AWanderingFool · 09/07/2025 10:04

Sorry, I meant she described them as someone the knew later, but I can't remember exactly how she described them.

I didn't mean she would say it was a particular person. I just wondered if the cider farm people matched her description of the source.

The journalist said that it was someone who had met them after the book had become successful. If that is true rather than being said to protect the source, that means it covers a few years with multiple possibilities.

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Songlines · 09/07/2025 10:34

Ammophila · 09/07/2025 10:31

I have an unread copy of Landlines on my bookcase. DH bought it for me when it came out. Lovely hardback copy. Well, I say lovely - beautiful artwork from Angela Harding.

I'll still read it, soon but with a sceptical view of everything she says, given recent events. Then its off to the charity shop. I have two beautiful books by Angela Harding with lots of her stunning artwork in, so don't need to keep it for that reason.

Mine went to the RNLI gift shop yesterday. I live on the SWCP so it seemed appropriate that they should benefit. They said that they'd already had a couple of copies of TSP donated, and that's only 2 days after The Observer article was published

NoWayRose · 09/07/2025 10:37

Bruisername · 09/07/2025 10:02

Don’t forget when she repaid the £9k that’s all they thought she had stolen and it was only afterwards they found the rest

so her boo hooing when she knew she had done worse is pretty galling

Gosh yes, manipulatively crying about the wedding dress when she knew she’d taken another £55k.

Idontpostmuch · 09/07/2025 10:38

EsmaCannonball · 09/07/2025 00:53

I doubt fibromyalgia sells books.

Sadly, you're right, yet while some fibro sufferers lead almost normal lives, it isn't the case for others, so much of the world is unaware of how devastating it can be. Yet, I can't see how the Winns/Walkers could have been stupid enough to pick an incurable condition and manufacture a miracle cure which is sure to be knocked down like a shaky stack of bricks.

Woolftown · 09/07/2025 10:42

Ammophila · 09/07/2025 10:31

I have an unread copy of Landlines on my bookcase. DH bought it for me when it came out. Lovely hardback copy. Well, I say lovely - beautiful artwork from Angela Harding.

I'll still read it, soon but with a sceptical view of everything she says, given recent events. Then its off to the charity shop. I have two beautiful books by Angela Harding with lots of her stunning artwork in, so don't need to keep it for that reason.

Angela Harding has released her 2016 wall calendar.

DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 10:43

On a wider note for the thread, I think it is pointless and unwise to try to work out who the source is. It is important not to be intrusive when it comes to sources and other people who are not responsible for any dishonesty. The focus should be on Raynor Winn/Sally Walker and, potentially, Moth Winn/Timothy Walker. Can anyone remind me - was her maiden name Sally Winn? If her father was Thomas then that would all fit with the author name used for the house raffle prize ticket/book - Izzy Wyn-Thomas.

This will have been posted before because it is from May, but I think it is interesting to look back on after The Observer articles:
The Salt Path: Melton woman who inspired film relives emotions - BBC News

Salt Path

The Salt Path: Melton woman who inspired film relives emotions

Raynor Winn's journey inspired a Hollywood film featuring Gillian Anderson and Jason Isaacs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyr1lq7399o

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Jawdrop · 09/07/2025 10:46

QuantumLevelActions · 09/07/2025 09:49

Do all journalists live in London?

Seems unlikely.

Sigh.

User14March · 09/07/2025 11:02

DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 10:34

The journalist said that it was someone who had met them after the book had become successful. If that is true rather than being said to protect the source, that means it covers a few years with multiple possibilities.

The nephew poss a source as v open about his views & now poss advised not to be too public at this stage (?)

DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 11:07

Do you know how far away Fowey looks to someone based in London?
Do all journalists live in London?
Seems unlikely.

They all live in Cornwall at least part-time, driving the prices and homelessness up, as a result of lockdown and reading The Salt Path. Wink

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AWanderingFool · 09/07/2025 11:08

User14March · 09/07/2025 11:02

The nephew poss a source as v open about his views & now poss advised not to be too public at this stage (?)

He was just glad it had come out, I think. His wife said elsewhere (now deleted) that if he had been on other social media he'd have been posting and commenting there, too.

So, agreed, I think he probably had advice to remove it.

Tcateh · 09/07/2025 11:08

nomas · 08/07/2025 12:02

It’s interesting that Tim only needs a long walk just as it gets time for Sally to write a new book.

🤣

PrimalScreaming · 09/07/2025 11:13

Did anyone take a look at their house in Wales on the YT link to 'Escape To The Country'... it was beautiful. Rustic, tasteful and obviously pretty newly renovated. I'm guessing that's exactly where the 64k went. You don't get properties like that on a bookkeeper's salary.
What was Moth's profession before the 'downfall'?

AWanderingFool · 09/07/2025 11:13

AWanderingFool · 09/07/2025 10:47

Is there anything anywhere about their company Four Hares Ltd other than on the government website?

According to its micro accounts that were filed in June it has four employees.

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12547141

Ah, the four 'employees' are Sally, Timothy, and their two children, confirmed by documents on the website.

HonoriaBulstrode · 09/07/2025 11:14

What name did the Walkers use when signing the contract with Penguin, and what name was their bank account in for payment?
I'm wondering how they could have opened bank accounts in their real names without the bank being alerted to their credit history. And if they did it in their assumed names, then how?

I've been wondering that. You can't waltz into a bank and open an account in any name without all kinds of ID. Penguin/their agent must have been aware of their original names.

Using a pen name isn't in itself cause for suspicion. Many successful and reputable authors do, for various reasons. I believe James Herriot was obliged to adopt a pen name because vets at the time weren't allowed to advertise, and publishing a book counted as advertising.

AWanderingFool · 09/07/2025 11:15

PrimalScreaming · 09/07/2025 11:13

Did anyone take a look at their house in Wales on the YT link to 'Escape To The Country'... it was beautiful. Rustic, tasteful and obviously pretty newly renovated. I'm guessing that's exactly where the 64k went. You don't get properties like that on a bookkeeper's salary.
What was Moth's profession before the 'downfall'?

He was a gardener.

Someone commenting (on the DM article I think) who lived in the village mentioned it, along with Timothy's parents living nearby and them all going over to the house in France to do it up before Sally and Tim disappeared.

HumbleWarrior · 09/07/2025 11:23

The James Herriot comparison is interesting.

If Sally Walker had decided to write a novel (fiction) based on a couple who lost their house and simultaneously faced a life-changing/limiting diagnosis and decided to walk the SWCP as a consequence, she could have sold it as being based on her own experience. Yes, fiction is a more crowded market and it would very likely have not had the same smash-hit impact, but it would have been a whole lot safer and more easy to keep anonymous for someone with that kind of history.

It would also have been kinder and fairer to those who are depicted in the book unfavourably. (I haven't read it so am just going by what people have mentioned here...) The housing officer could be a pompous jobsworth character built on tropes and stereotypes that readers would recognise - a universal council official - without it being a direct representation of the person who dealt with them. The same for people they encountered on the journey. The follow up books could have continued the narrative arc or used the same formula but with different characters, different challenges and different landscapes to form a series. Magazines like Good Housekeeping, the Sunday supplements, Country Living etc LOVE a personal angle and would have been very happy to feature her 'my own Salt Path journey' story, or 'how being out in nature saved my marriage/my husband's health/rescued us when we lost everything', which is the kind of PR gold most authors dream of.

I guess the problem with people like the Walkers is they always push things a bit too far. Ego perhaps, or some sort of narcissistic/sociopathic personality type that makes them unable to adequately gauge risk or consider other people's reactions? The devil always overplays his hand.

Jawdrop · 09/07/2025 11:29

PrimalScreaming · 09/07/2025 11:13

Did anyone take a look at their house in Wales on the YT link to 'Escape To The Country'... it was beautiful. Rustic, tasteful and obviously pretty newly renovated. I'm guessing that's exactly where the 64k went. You don't get properties like that on a bookkeeper's salary.
What was Moth's profession before the 'downfall'?

In TSP, she references at one point that he was a 'trained master plasterer' and that plastering was a skill he'd returned to many times during his life. That to me suggests he'd worked in construction, but not necessarily in any sustained way.

She describes her own employment history as follows (this is the part of TSP where they are staying over winter in Polly's outbuilding in exchange for renovating it):

And who wants a fifty-year-old woman whose work history for the last twenty years has been self-employment? It didn’t count that I’d been a farmer, plumber, builder, electrician, gardener, decorator, designer, accountant, tree surgeon, and run a holiday let. I had neither a piece of paper or an ex-employer to prove it. I would have to retrain. But even then, who would want to employ a fifty-year-old newly qualified woman when they could have the equivalent twenty-three-year-old?

She seems to suggest in this whole episode where she represents herself as trying to find work and somewhere to rent (impossible because we 'dragged our credit history wherever we went') that they'd both worked largely on their farm for the previous twenty years, only it's never clear to me whether they were actually farmers in any real sense, or just kept a few animals and hens so that they could describe the barn they rented to tourists as a 'farmstay'?

AWanderingFool · 09/07/2025 11:30

I guess the problem with people like the Walkers is they always push things a bit too far. Ego perhaps, or some sort of narcissistic/sociopathic personality type that makes them unable to adequately gauge risk or consider other people's reactions? The devil always overplays his hand.

I think Sally's reaction when Ros Hemmings asked for the £9000 back shows how deluded and entitled she and Timothy are.

User14March · 09/07/2025 11:31

HumbleWarrior · 09/07/2025 11:23

The James Herriot comparison is interesting.

If Sally Walker had decided to write a novel (fiction) based on a couple who lost their house and simultaneously faced a life-changing/limiting diagnosis and decided to walk the SWCP as a consequence, she could have sold it as being based on her own experience. Yes, fiction is a more crowded market and it would very likely have not had the same smash-hit impact, but it would have been a whole lot safer and more easy to keep anonymous for someone with that kind of history.

It would also have been kinder and fairer to those who are depicted in the book unfavourably. (I haven't read it so am just going by what people have mentioned here...) The housing officer could be a pompous jobsworth character built on tropes and stereotypes that readers would recognise - a universal council official - without it being a direct representation of the person who dealt with them. The same for people they encountered on the journey. The follow up books could have continued the narrative arc or used the same formula but with different characters, different challenges and different landscapes to form a series. Magazines like Good Housekeeping, the Sunday supplements, Country Living etc LOVE a personal angle and would have been very happy to feature her 'my own Salt Path journey' story, or 'how being out in nature saved my marriage/my husband's health/rescued us when we lost everything', which is the kind of PR gold most authors dream of.

I guess the problem with people like the Walkers is they always push things a bit too far. Ego perhaps, or some sort of narcissistic/sociopathic personality type that makes them unable to adequately gauge risk or consider other people's reactions? The devil always overplays his hand.

I think she took this advice re: her 2012 book, now difficult & possibly fortunately hard to find, some clear parallels as others have said upthread. These include the death of a friendly, elderly sheep & unfortunately crooked trusted friends/business partners etc. It didn’t make the ££.

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