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outofofficeagain · 08/07/2025 15:05

I also think both of them do it to declare vested interest. RO can’t talk objectively about it and not mention they share a publisher.

Stravaig · 08/07/2025 15:05

PhilippaGeorgiou · 08/07/2025 14:18

Thanks for sharing this, the most interesting reflection thus far.

champagnetrial · 08/07/2025 15:08

DiamondThrone · 08/07/2025 14:25

OMG people. Look up "Neda Gharani" on Google images. Four differnet people with that name - one a man - all being listed as "Director, Precision Medicine Consulting Services at Gharani Consulting Ltd"

Something VERY fishy going on here!!!!

Omg have I inadvertently unearthed a ringer?! I think I might have to make a tiktok and rebrand myself as an Internet sleuth! I really re- posted that in good faith as I thought it had some fair points but blimey. The salty twists and turns...

PrettyDamnCosmic · 08/07/2025 15:09

TorroFerney · 08/07/2025 13:16

Marina Hyde suggested that a hospital somewhere will be getting a new neurological wing out of this when the publisher makes a hefty donation to charity and sues to get money back from the couple.

The publisher has made an absolute shitload of money out of the books. They have no reason to sue.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 08/07/2025 15:10

Muffsies · 08/07/2025 14:54

I'm so sorry to hear that you have a neurological condition. I think you make an important point, and we should be aware that how we talk about this scandal can affect people like yourself.

If these two have lied about moth's condition and the walking "curing" him, then the truth needs to come out. Having hope is good, but it does no good to think some people are cured by just walking or drinking juice (or whatever). In fact it can damage some people as they stop trusting conventional therapies chasing a cure that doesn't exist. Or others may say to someone like yourself with a neurological condition, "all you need to do is go on a hike!" - which I'm sure most would find insulting.

There are real stories, with evidence, out there of people who have regained some abilities after neurological illnesses. And many more stories of people who have lived full lives despite their conditions. So there is still hope, but we mustn't muddy the waters by not letting go of the stories that are proven false or misleading (how ever inspiring they were made to sound).

And a key point is each condition is different.
Some conditions can be reversed with treatment . Some people with my condition go into remission for periods with treatment. CMD is not one of those conditions.

And also, some conditions like mine are actually made worse by exercise. I know that I will have to plan to rest after exercise and I stick to things like swimming where I can stop the moment my symptoms start appearing. Rest heals my condition and exercise makes it worse. Which is incredibly hard as I love exercise. I am lucky actually to have an amazing husband who picks up most of the housework so I can use my "active time" to swim or go for short walks for pleasure. I have given up seeing some friends because it's obvious they don't want to learn about my condition they just want to preach about exercise

And I realise it's not CBD I am talking about in my case, but my point is two fold

One: it's always thoughtless and ignorant to recommend exercise to friends as a cure unless you are genuine specialist on their condition (nb, not a GP) and you know it will help

Two: it should be a criminal offence for people to misrepresent themselves as having a condition and then claim some natural remedy can cure it (whether that's the Walkers selling walking as a remedy in books, or Belle Gibson and her "brain cancer', or the MLM bots who claimed they had arthritis and that their disgusting MLM gloop would cure it)

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/07/2025 15:10

PrimalScreaming · 08/07/2025 09:31

I've just noticed another distancer!
Newsreader, Sophie Raworth seemed to have become quite friendly with 'Raynor' after reviewing The Salt Path on her other Insta page 'Read By Raworth' (I happen to follow both). There have been pics on her 'normal' Insta of the two of them together more than once. Those pics also now seem to have been deleted... but for the moment at least, the reviews of Salt Path and Landlines are still on her book review page.

I think anyone in the public eye will be distancing / deleting until the full story is known!

Ooh that's interesting. Sophie Raworth read the report about this on the six o'clock news last night (and I thought she looked a bit aggrieved about it). #Awkward.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 08/07/2025 15:12

Bruisername · 08/07/2025 13:19

Has she really made that much money that they could fund a neuro wing?

TSP has sold two million copies. She will have received a substantial sum for the film rights. However a new wing for a hospital will cost many millions maybe tens of millions so perhaps she can just fund an outpatient clinic.

Bruisername · 08/07/2025 15:14

PrettyDamnCosmic · 08/07/2025 15:12

TSP has sold two million copies. She will have received a substantial sum for the film rights. However a new wing for a hospital will cost many millions maybe tens of millions so perhaps she can just fund an outpatient clinic.

I’m sure she’s a wealthy woman now it I doubt she’s super rich

PrettyDamnCosmic · 08/07/2025 15:14

Orangesandlemons77 · 08/07/2025 13:21

So the publisher could sue the couple is that correct?

I’m not sure that they have any cause to sue. The publisher has made an absolute shitload if money from the books. There will be a big boost in sales over the next few weeks as everyone buys the book to find out what the fuss is all about.

JanineLory · 08/07/2025 15:15

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nomas · 08/07/2025 15:15

champagnetrial · 08/07/2025 15:08

Omg have I inadvertently unearthed a ringer?! I think I might have to make a tiktok and rebrand myself as an Internet sleuth! I really re- posted that in good faith as I thought it had some fair points but blimey. The salty twists and turns...

Did you really in good faith think that that the Insta poster was measured when they minimised Sally's stealing as 'getting into debt' yet called her relative a 'loan shark'?

faffadoodledo · 08/07/2025 15:17

So that there’s no jump in sales it would be great to start a campaign and return copies to charity shops.
That way the charities are the only beneficiaries, and we can rid ourselves of the junk!

Bruisername · 08/07/2025 15:17

R4 did a story on the mum who dissuaded her daughter from cancer treatment and the daughter died. So dangerous

and then there was Elle McPherson

these people should be prosecuted

AveriltheAvidReader · 08/07/2025 15:25

faffadoodledo · 08/07/2025 15:17

So that there’s no jump in sales it would be great to start a campaign and return copies to charity shops.
That way the charities are the only beneficiaries, and we can rid ourselves of the junk!

I did exactly that today!

Gumballina · 08/07/2025 15:28

hobbledyhoy · 08/07/2025 11:56

If I’ve learnt anything over these three threads, it’s that I will never fit in at a book club. I’m perplexed at how many people get really arsey over a differing opinion of a book - surely that’s the point of the club?

Yes, I agree - I love my book club and the best meetings are where we disagree about things (or at least have differing viewpoints) and can have a really thorough discussion. Nobody takes it personally.

The meetings where everybody has the same opinion on the book aren't generally nearly so good.

CalamityGanon · 08/07/2025 15:31

Bruisername · 08/07/2025 15:17

R4 did a story on the mum who dissuaded her daughter from cancer treatment and the daughter died. So dangerous

and then there was Elle McPherson

these people should be prosecuted

Do you mean Belle Gibson, the health food fraudster? I’m not aware that Elle MacPherson has done anything untoward.

Gumballina · 08/07/2025 15:31

HolyPond · 08/07/2025 12:08

I’ve gone to three meetings of two different ones in my hometown over the past year, just because I noticed they were reading novels I’d recently read, and two had the authors, who had a local connection, dropping in at the beginning.

All three meetings were quite weird. The one without the author present featured a lot of people complaining because the novel wasn’t a completely different kind of novel eg they’d have preferred it to be a suspense novel when it was a coming of age novel. When I said ‘But it’s not trying to be the kind of novel you’re complaining it isn’t’, they got very cross.

One that had the author there at the start was all nice to her face and started ripping the book apart the moment she left.

The other that had the author present consisted entirely of very young fangirls (the same author also writes YA) saying ‘I loved this bit!’ and one who rolled up her sleeve to show she had a line from the novel tattooed on her arm.

I conclude that book groups, at least in my neck of the woods, attract quite odd people.

God, I would HATE to have the author there at a book club! How could you possibly discuss a book freely in front of its author?

Our book club has a couple of members who actually have written some published novels/memoirs, and we have very carefully avoided choosing them as our books!

taylorsfritz · 08/07/2025 15:33

CalamityGanon · 08/07/2025 15:31

Do you mean Belle Gibson, the health food fraudster? I’m not aware that Elle MacPherson has done anything untoward.

I’m guessing it references the Andrew Wakefield stuff

Bruisername · 08/07/2025 15:35

CalamityGanon · 08/07/2025 15:31

Do you mean Belle Gibson, the health food fraudster? I’m not aware that Elle MacPherson has done anything untoward.

No - she’s a British high profile Covid conspiracy theorist person. I’ll have a google

ellel had breast cancer and was cured from her healthy lifestyle and didn’t need chemo. No mention of the mastectomy which will have actually sorted (my mum had a mastectomy and didn’t need chemo and is cancer free years later without having followed elles lifestyle)

RoyalCorgi · 08/07/2025 15:40

PrettyDamnCosmic · 08/07/2025 15:14

I’m not sure that they have any cause to sue. The publisher has made an absolute shitload if money from the books. There will be a big boost in sales over the next few weeks as everyone buys the book to find out what the fuss is all about.

The reputational damage is quite significant, though. But I can't imagine they'd sue, because it only draws more attention to their own lack of processes.

ThatFluentHedgehog · 08/07/2025 15:43

Uricon2 · 08/07/2025 10:26

That reminds me of the bit in Orwell's 'Down and Out in Paris and London' where he's staying in a truly appalling dosshouse and a braying patrician booms out of the gloom something like "Never thought I'd hear another voice from the old school here!" (Orwell having gone to Eton)

Probably where she got it from.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 08/07/2025 15:44

Bruisername · 08/07/2025 15:35

No - she’s a British high profile Covid conspiracy theorist person. I’ll have a google

ellel had breast cancer and was cured from her healthy lifestyle and didn’t need chemo. No mention of the mastectomy which will have actually sorted (my mum had a mastectomy and didn’t need chemo and is cancer free years later without having followed elles lifestyle)

Exactly, my friend had breast cancer (and a double mastectomy ) and is cancer free 10 years later despite a lifestyle of TV watching and cakes (and who can blame her tbh!)! Maybe she should market it as a miracle cure Grin

AWanderingFool · 08/07/2025 15:50

nomas · 08/07/2025 15:15

Did you really in good faith think that that the Insta poster was measured when they minimised Sally's stealing as 'getting into debt' yet called her relative a 'loan shark'?

I think that just shows how easy it is to con ordinary people who think the best of others.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 08/07/2025 15:52

Aspanielstolemysanity · 08/07/2025 15:44

Exactly, my friend had breast cancer (and a double mastectomy ) and is cancer free 10 years later despite a lifestyle of TV watching and cakes (and who can blame her tbh!)! Maybe she should market it as a miracle cure Grin

My auntie has the same. Except she also did actually like a long walk too. That one is obviously key 😉.

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