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Thread 2. To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 21:10

Thread Two for The Salt Path and Raynor Winn/Sally Walker/Sally Winn discussions.

Thread One is here: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5368194-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 07/07/2025 00:27

EsmaCannonball · 07/07/2025 00:21

Yes, who is the mystery person that - even before the book was written - allowed them use of a flat in Cornwall, and who is the person that contacted them on Twitter to offer them the use of a Cornish farm? This is one of the things I am finding most suspicious.

Yep. This was all before the second home tax came in too so the thought that people had spare, empty properties cluttering up Cornwall that they were happy to let or even give away to strangers when they could have been making a profit is unlikely in the least.

The Observer lady seemed to hint that there's more to come so maybe we'll find that they also had an apartment in Monte Carlo or a condo in Miami but forgot about those too!

IvyGoldenM · 07/07/2025 00:28

He first showed symptoms in 2006 when they were hiking.

CelestialCandyfloss · 07/07/2025 00:48

Omg for the love of god don't post / visit links to the Daily Fail. Scum rag.

mycatismyworld · 07/07/2025 01:13

IvyGoldenM · 07/07/2025 00:28

He first showed symptoms in 2006 when they were hiking.

There apron the Electoral register up till 2007.
I think Timothy Walker and Sally Walker weren't their birth names.
Probably lost her job at the hotel for embezzling money,why would a highly intelligent person work for peanuts in a hotel? Most likely has done people over for years.

Fandango52 · 07/07/2025 01:40

mycatismyworld · 07/07/2025 01:13

There apron the Electoral register up till 2007.
I think Timothy Walker and Sally Walker weren't their birth names.
Probably lost her job at the hotel for embezzling money,why would a highly intelligent person work for peanuts in a hotel? Most likely has done people over for years.

Timothy Walker was likely his birth name, and we found out from public records that her birth name is Sally Winn (it’s on the previous thread).

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 07/07/2025 04:16

PullTheBricksDown · 06/07/2025 21:40

I'd expect a Sally then to have been christened Sarah and for that to be the name on her marriage certificate.

Not necessarily. My cousin is called Sally. She was born in 1966. So it was definitely a name in its own right by then.

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 07/07/2025 04:28

AldoGordo · 06/07/2025 22:28

12 years (2013 to 2025) - The Observer subeditor clearly didn't pick up the typo and published 18 in error. I expect it'll be amended when they realise. Nevertheless, even 12 years seems implausible!

Edited

No, 18 years is right. In the book, Ray/Sally says that Moth had symptoms for 6 years before his diagnosis.

echt · 07/07/2025 04:41

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 07/07/2025 04:16

Not necessarily. My cousin is called Sally. She was born in 1966. So it was definitely a name in its own right by then.

I know a christened Sally born in the mid-50s.

SapphireSeptember · 07/07/2025 05:00

taylorsfritz · 06/07/2025 22:23

in my area there is currently a huge con posing as an organisation ‘for women’.

Numerous people have tried to report but it gets no traction, there is no appetite to challenge what is portrayed widely as an amazing organisation doing valuable work. It isn’t and doesn’t but the socials look amazing and they give great message, always showing up at the right events and saying the right things. If you challenge anything you are very quickly turned into the bad one.

Lots of people give their money freely and lots of others look on in horror. It turns out it’s not as easy as speaking up and providing evidence, some grifters wear their causes like Teflon cloaks 🤷🏻‍♀️

Which one? Just so I can avoid it if I come across it.

Ammophila · 07/07/2025 05:53

echt · 07/07/2025 04:41

I know a christened Sally born in the mid-50s.

I'm 60 and remember at least 2 girls called Sally in my class at school so seems to have been a fairly popular name around then.

MaMaMalenka · 07/07/2025 06:10

ClareBlue · 06/07/2025 23:27

Yes, we've had the same. If you critise you get closed down quickly, accused of not caring, being jealous, not knowing what you are talking about. Let them get on with the good and stop worrying about minor things like accounts and expenses being paid or any evidence that anything has actually worked or been done. Give the money and feel good about it.
I don't blame people who were more knowledgeable not calling it out when it got some momentum. Nobody wants to hear.
And isn't it time none disclosure contracts became a thing of the past. They just cover up criminal behaviour whilst paying people off.

I feel the same about the welsh paramedic who claims he's been to Gaza and details what he has "seen"...

helphelpimbeingrepressed · 07/07/2025 06:35

Dearover · 06/07/2025 22:09

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-68725597

London Marathon anyone? There are also photos of them with medals

Edited

Moth didn’t start according to the TCS results page. Perhaps that would have been a step too far. (Sorry).

outofofficeagain · 07/07/2025 06:53

shiningstar2 · 06/07/2025 23:02

I haven't read the book but have just seen the film. I enjoyed elements of it ..the scenery and empathised with both the hardships and seeming simplicity of such a lifestyle. However, right from them walking away from their farmhouse I had question. Even while it was happening in the film I was whispering to DH ...why would they do that?!!!. Not wait and push for some housing ...even if just a room? This article answers a lot of these questions if they were running away from prosecution ...wild camping better than prison? To have the dishonesty ...and the nerve to steal all that money (if true) then gave the audacity to write a selective account of it and make more money ...This answers questions for me and does seem likely so very disappointing.

My question was always why they didn’t have any friends who would help them.

if we lost our house there are lots of people (I hope) who would offer to help, at least in the short term.

but if they were grifters who owed everyone money, this makes total sense.

Seasidewalker · 07/07/2025 07:15

Fandango52 · 06/07/2025 23:08

I adore Wild. It’s one of my favourite books. I really recommend it.

This is included on Kindle Unlimited if anyone has that.

P0d · 07/07/2025 07:30

Well she’s rich now and didn’t seem to care how she made her money before so won’t be bothered now

Choux · 07/07/2025 07:36

How rich is she? She has sold 2m books according to articles I read yesterday. And the film is low budget and cost £10m. How much is she likely to have earned per book sale? And how much do you get for film rights on a movie that size?

is there anyone here who knows about publishing earnings?

Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 07:39

Seasidewalker · 07/07/2025 07:15

This is included on Kindle Unlimited if anyone has that.

Thank you! Have just downloaded it

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 07/07/2025 07:42

@outofofficeagain I know. I thought the same. What about family? Their parents, their siblings. They don't seem to have any sort of support network. Maybe they alienated everyone around them?

Goldenpatchwork · 07/07/2025 07:46

The additional issue is the charity associating itself with what would have obvious to them, that Moth’s presentation of his condition didn’t tally with what would have been expected, or considered reasonable. The ethics of the charity are being called into question.

AveriltheAvidReader · 07/07/2025 07:47

Choux · 07/07/2025 07:36

How rich is she? She has sold 2m books according to articles I read yesterday. And the film is low budget and cost £10m. How much is she likely to have earned per book sale? And how much do you get for film rights on a movie that size?

is there anyone here who knows about publishing earnings?

As far as I know the only way to show your earnings from writing in the public domain is if you set up a company (eg Raynor Winn Books Ltd) - and that would be on Companies House.

I'm a published author of two non-fiction books . My Royalties were paid directly into my bank account.

Choux · 07/07/2025 07:50

lookin online “Generally, you can collect around 10% royalties while the publisher takes the rest. Here’s what you can expect across book formats:

  • Paperback: 5-8% royalties
  • Hardcover: 15% royalties
  • Ebook: 20-25% royalties
  • Audiobook: 25% royalties
If she got 5% royalties on 2m books sold at £10 she now has £1m plus whatever she got for the film rights. And possibly some for tv, festival appearances etc.

So plenty for a nice retirement for 20 years or so but her new local status as ‘best selling author’ may come to an abrupt halt now as her reinvention of herself has been exposed. I imagine she has become hardened to not caring what people thought of her long ago so perhaps she will be ok with that.

AveriltheAvidReader · 07/07/2025 07:51

Given 'Moth's' condition is relatively rare, I wonder which consultant they did see about it in the first place? If, of course he ever had that condition. Given their location, it would be fairly easy to hone in on a neurologist who was an expert in it.

I know they didn't name them in the book but I wonder if there is some doctor somewhere who thinks they have been 'used' - whereby the diagnosis has been changed and exaggerated?

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 07/07/2025 07:52

The book wasn’t (as) successful where I’m at, so this whole thing has been news to me.

The observer article is interesting. The most damaging to me due to the potential to cause extreme harm - if true - is the issue of CBD in my personal opinion. I have a deep distaste for those who prey on people’s desperation with alternative „cures“. And if they did indeed fake his CBD… wow.

AveriltheAvidReader · 07/07/2025 07:54

Choux · 07/07/2025 07:50

lookin online “Generally, you can collect around 10% royalties while the publisher takes the rest. Here’s what you can expect across book formats:

  • Paperback: 5-8% royalties
  • Hardcover: 15% royalties
  • Ebook: 20-25% royalties
  • Audiobook: 25% royalties
If she got 5% royalties on 2m books sold at £10 she now has £1m plus whatever she got for the film rights. And possibly some for tv, festival appearances etc.

So plenty for a nice retirement for 20 years or so but her new local status as ‘best selling author’ may come to an abrupt halt now as her reinvention of herself has been exposed. I imagine she has become hardened to not caring what people thought of her long ago so perhaps she will be ok with that.

The 'deal' is between publisher and author.

Yes, 10% is about right. That's 10% of the cover sale. Some publishers might go up to 15%.

Obviously there is payment upfront of an Advance and any sales in excess of that earn Royalties.

So she could (just as an example) have been paid £20K upfront and then 10% of all future sales, once that £20K had been exceeded (based on 10% of sales.) Some fiction authors get a 6-figure advance but they are few and far between.

Comet33 · 07/07/2025 07:58

Choux · 06/07/2025 23:23

From the PSP Association website it does seem to be a condition ’diagnosed’ by excluding other diagnoses and can only be confirmed by post mortem. But he has been rushed to hospital ill according to Sally in tv interviews and must have consulted doctors and his GP over the years. Plus he was heavily involved with the charity. If his progression wasn’t as expected, they would have seen enough medical people to have had someone say ‘I don’t think this is CBD’. Yet still they carried on saying it was for another 7 years after the book was published and 12 years from his ‘diagnosis’. Because it was financially in their interests to keep pretending he had a terminal condition.

“The diagnosis of CBD is complicated because its symptoms can closely resemble those of other neurological conditions. For example, the motor symptoms of CBD, such as stiffness and tremors, may be mistaken for Parkinson’s Disease, while its cognitive impairments might suggest Alzheimer’s Disease or Frontotemporal Dementia. Additionally, the rare and variable nature of CBD means that it may not be the first condition considered by healthcare professionals, further complicating the diagnostic process.
Another challenge is the highly individual nature of how CBD develops; symptoms can differ significantly from one person to another, and the progression of the disease can vary widely. The wide range of symptoms that can develop means that currently, there is no single test that can definitively diagnose CBD. Instead, the diagnosis is often made through a combination of clinical evaluation, neuroimaging, and the exclusion of other conditions. A definite diagnosis of CBD can only be made post-mortem.”

his progression wasn’t as expected, they would have seen enough medical people to have had someone say ‘I don’t think this is CBD'

In reality, this is not how it works in hospitals/with doctors, particular with rare illnesses or ones that are atypical, or not well known.

When admitted, doctors treat the symptoms and a patient may not even see a consultant in the specialism in which the illness falls.

Your statement also relies on an assumption of continuity of care which just doesn't happen in the NHS anymore. Its easy for people with common chronic illnesses to fall through gaps, be missed, etc, let alone one as rare or as specialist as CBD.

Doctors in hospital don't have the time or capacity to do much more than fix someone up and send them home as soon as possible. There might be the odd question raised, or the need to do a further test but following them up relies on people being (a) willing to do so (b) not forgetting (c) not assuming it's someone else's responsibility (d) agreeing

I've witnessed time & time again all of the above.

Furthermore, if Moth's own consultants recognise the atypicality of his illness, he's likely to still remain under their care. They might not change his diagnosis because they have nothing to change it to, so they manage it based on the diagnosis of exclusion they've reached. With severe & rare diseases, both patient and doctor can be feeling their way through.

In the books, Raynor talks about how Moth's health defies the pattern of the illness and medical expectation. Simply because they've been found to have hidden the details of their lives before homelessness, and Raynor's theft, doesn't mean that they're also lying about his illness.

Yes, the veracity of their story is thrown into question, but I am deeply uncomfortable with (a) assuming it's all lies (b) second-guessing Moth's health and his appearance.

People with chronic, severe, medical conditions often face disbelief because they don't present as unwell in the way that uninformed members of the public think they should. The resulting narrative causes a lot of harm to people with disabilities and severe health conditions. I urge everyone to be careful when expressing disbelief and assuming further deceit because there's a fine line between shock & questioning and feeding into a narrative which results in the ill and disable being denied support and medical care.

When you see someone - anyone - with a long term health condition, you see them on their better days. You don't see the pain, fatigue or all the many steps and time & effort invested to enable them to be present at that time.

You won't see the after-effects of expending the energy to be present either.

This is the same narrative that leads people to be challenged over the right to a blue badge, or PIP. The same narrative that leads to people with disabilities being denied reasonable adjustments at work because it's "not fair" to their abled colleagues. That's even if they can find a job in the first place.

I thought when I read the observer article how irresponsible it was to include the statements from neurologists saying Moth's health didn't fit with what they knew of CBD, which isn't to say it shouldn't have been said - someone was going to do it. There are enough people with direct experience of CBD on social media as well.

I'm as disappointed and shocked with the revelations as anyone - their story meant a lot to me, too - but this shouldn't become a witch hunt and if we're seeking veracity then that means looking at the rest of the book fairly and without assuming guilt where there may be none.

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