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Thread 2. To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 21:10

Thread Two for The Salt Path and Raynor Winn/Sally Walker/Sally Winn discussions.

Thread One is here: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5368194-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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SmallHospital · 07/07/2025 16:05

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:02

Having entirely missed both the book and the film, and sorry if this has been explained and I missed it, but where exactly did this £48 a week come from? I believe I recall back then you had to be actively seeking work to get benefits, and they clearly weren't. And I thought that although some literally homeless people (as in rough sleepers with nowhere to live at all) could get some very limited benefits, you had to sign on and you had to sign on in the same place - I am sure that that was what I was told by people who were rough sleepers. Those who were "tramps" (no judgement there, just meant literally tramping from place to place) couldn't get benefits on account of the fact that they still needed a c/o address for correspondence etc.

It's described only as 'tax credits'. She says that as Moth had become unable to work on health grounds, their income was only what was coming in from renting their barn to tourists, which she says made them eligible for a 'payment from the government'. Which I suppose means she wasn't working either.

AlertCat · 07/07/2025 16:05

borogovia · 07/07/2025 12:31

I think she will finesse her way out of this:

"The important stuff is all true. The beauty of the landscape, our hardships, the redemption we won from them when we were in a dark place.

It's true we lost the house because of my fraudulent activities. Moth doesn't have CBD, he has a less serious condition and mental health/addiction issues. I changed these facts when I came to write the book because I felt such profound shame about them. I altered them to maintain the real life story arc. I thought it wouldn't matter.

I now realise it was wrong to do this."

Where is this quote from please? Looking online and cannot find it.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:05

prh47bridge · 07/07/2025 15:55

The Observer says that the loan from the relative plus the mortgage exceeded the value of the house, but that was when they tried running a lottery by which time the debt to their relative had ballooned to over £150k. It may be that the house would have covered both at the time they took the loan. But yes, if he was not aware of the mortgage he didn't do his due diligence properly. If he was, he clearly took a big risk.

Something (else) that I can't make sense of is wouldn't the mortgage company have had the first call on the debt? So how did that leave another £150,000 for the court to award to these other people if the house value was less than the two combined?

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:05

Their nephew, a respected naval architect, says this:

Something a little different from me.

The people behind The Salt Path books are not who you think they are. The real people, Sally and Tim Walker, my Uncle & Aunt, are pathological liers who have always left a trail of destruction behind them.

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AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 07/07/2025 16:06

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:00

WOW!!! Their nephew has something to say about them!

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7347531559484243968/

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Ouch. It's all unraveling now.

nomas · 07/07/2025 16:06

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:00

WOW!!! Their nephew has something to say about them!

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7347531559484243968/

Edited

Wow! Interesting that he is also called James.

I do wish he had spelt liars correctly, it would have had more impact Wink

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:08

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:05

Their nephew, a respected naval architect, says this:

Something a little different from me.

The people behind The Salt Path books are not who you think they are. The real people, Sally and Tim Walker, my Uncle & Aunt, are pathological liers who have always left a trail of destruction behind them.

He's obviously very fond of them.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 07/07/2025 16:08

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 15:31

So Gigspinner do believe her, then, and are doubling down.

I suppose when you've been involved so closely it must be very hard to see a person differently.

I don't think so. Doubling down would have been enrolling someone else instead of Raynor/Sally for the readings & carrying on with the 'Saltlines' tour. Instead Gigspanner just posted on Facebook that they are continuing their tour but instead of 'Saltlines' will be presenting their new album 'Turnstone'. I imagine they feel pretty betrayed.

https://www.facebook.com/peterknights.gigspanner/posts/pfbid0ytimCPJucSL6B7CSJSafJwHA55fivC6o6wVprgL8CWFNr2WYt5rDUrx2LhkCQNmml

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 07/07/2025 16:09

AlertCat · 07/07/2025 16:05

Where is this quote from please? Looking online and cannot find it.

@borogovia made it up. It's their guess on what the Walker/Wynn's will eventually say to explain themselves, and I would guess not too far wide off the mark either.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:09

AlertCat · 07/07/2025 16:05

Where is this quote from please? Looking online and cannot find it.

It was made up by another poster as an example of how they might try to wriggle out of it. It isn't real

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 07/07/2025 16:10

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:08

He's obviously very fond of them.

Bet Christmas dinner is a riot!

SmallHospital · 07/07/2025 16:11

SmallSoupcon · 07/07/2025 16:02

Did Moth impersonate him in St Ives and collect money for reading Beowulf? Or were they separate things? I don't have the book anymore to check.

I don't think so, he just reads Beowulf alongside the buskers with Raynor going around with a hat, and it turns out that unbeknownst to them, Seamus Heaney has just died.

But I think it's in St Ives they finally see a poster that explains who Simon Armitage is, bringing an end to an extremely unfunny longhaul joke...

Bruisername · 07/07/2025 16:12

Well the nephew has blown things apart

i I imagine lots and lots of people have stories about them but either thibk they’ll be ignored or called bitter. But now everyone will come forward and the house of cards is teetering

Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 16:12

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:05

Their nephew, a respected naval architect, says this:

Something a little different from me.

The people behind The Salt Path books are not who you think they are. The real people, Sally and Tim Walker, my Uncle & Aunt, are pathological liers who have always left a trail of destruction behind them.

Wow!

prh47bridge · 07/07/2025 16:12

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:05

Something (else) that I can't make sense of is wouldn't the mortgage company have had the first call on the debt? So how did that leave another £150,000 for the court to award to these other people if the house value was less than the two combined?

The mortgage lender would have had first call. The creditors would have got whatever was left. The court simply ordered that the creditors could repossess the home, not how much they would get from the sale.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:13

SmallHospital · 07/07/2025 16:05

It's described only as 'tax credits'. She says that as Moth had become unable to work on health grounds, their income was only what was coming in from renting their barn to tourists, which she says made them eligible for a 'payment from the government'. Which I suppose means she wasn't working either.

Oh I call bullshit on that one too. They weren't renting their barn to anybody because they had lost it with the house, so what would the government have been paying them for? I am more and more thinking the entire walk was BS.

Bruisername · 07/07/2025 16:14

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:13

Oh I call bullshit on that one too. They weren't renting their barn to anybody because they had lost it with the house, so what would the government have been paying them for? I am more and more thinking the entire walk was BS.

I think they mean before they lost the farm their only source of income was the barn

when they lost the income they signed on

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:14

SmallHospital · 07/07/2025 16:11

I don't think so, he just reads Beowulf alongside the buskers with Raynor going around with a hat, and it turns out that unbeknownst to them, Seamus Heaney has just died.

But I think it's in St Ives they finally see a poster that explains who Simon Armitage is, bringing an end to an extremely unfunny longhaul joke...

In the film I feel it's implied that they decided to make the most of people thinking Timothy was Simon Armitage and that's why they did the reading.

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Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 16:14

TwistAndSpout · 07/07/2025 15:50

Most people if forced to live on £48 a week would get a job rather than stealing and going on a camping holiday so I wouldn’t say completely “by no fault of their own”.

Agree.

ZiggyPlaysGuitarrr · 07/07/2025 16:15

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:02

Having entirely missed both the book and the film, and sorry if this has been explained and I missed it, but where exactly did this £48 a week come from? I believe I recall back then you had to be actively seeking work to get benefits, and they clearly weren't. And I thought that although some literally homeless people (as in rough sleepers with nowhere to live at all) could get some very limited benefits, you had to sign on and you had to sign on in the same place - I am sure that that was what I was told by people who were rough sleepers. Those who were "tramps" (no judgement there, just meant literally tramping from place to place) couldn't get benefits on account of the fact that they still needed a c/o address for correspondence etc.

I think she wrote that the £48 was a tax credit, rather than JSA. Their only source of income that I know of was their B&B business which didn't necessarily pay a lot, and presumably that would have continued to be paid automatically until they filed their tax return.

nomas · 07/07/2025 16:16

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 16:13

Oh I call bullshit on that one too. They weren't renting their barn to anybody because they had lost it with the house, so what would the government have been paying them for? I am more and more thinking the entire walk was BS.

Why couldn’t they get job seekers allowance?

Would his terminal illness have qualified him for PIP?

QuantumLevelActions · 07/07/2025 16:16

I bet that nephew is being contacted by lots of journalists right now.

I wonder if he'll tell any more?

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:18

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:05

Their nephew, a respected naval architect, says this:

Something a little different from me.

The people behind The Salt Path books are not who you think they are. The real people, Sally and Tim Walker, my Uncle & Aunt, are pathological liers who have always left a trail of destruction behind them.

I think this is what I needed to clear any lingering doubts that the whole thing has been a pack of lies.

I imagine they did walk bits of the path, and that perhaps he's ill in some way. But that's about it.

They are both very obviously total shysters.

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7347531559484243968/

Something a little different from me. | James Walker

Something a little different from me. The people behind The Salt Path books are not who you think they are. The real people, Sally and Tim Walker, my Uncle & Aunt, are pathological liers who have always left a trail of destruction behind them....

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7347531559484243968

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PrettyDamnCosmic · 07/07/2025 16:18

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:00

WOW!!! Their nephew has something to say about them!

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7347531559484243968/

Edited

OMG!!!

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 16:19

QuantumLevelActions · 07/07/2025 16:16

I bet that nephew is being contacted by lots of journalists right now.

I wonder if he'll tell any more?

He posted that yesterday. I came across a screenshot on a Reddit hiking subforum of all places.

I don't think more than a handful of people have seen what he's said about them.

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