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Thread 2. To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 21:10

Thread Two for The Salt Path and Raynor Winn/Sally Walker/Sally Winn discussions.

Thread One is here: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5368194-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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Rallentanda · 07/07/2025 14:49

Anyone else just really glad they haven't got round to reading the book? 😂

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 07/07/2025 14:49

In hindsight of course it doesn't make sense that you would lend a friend money and they would somehow get a charge over your property...!

It makes perfect sense. You'd be daft to lend £100,000 and not take a charge.

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 14:50

featuring a vitriolic account of a well-spoken, suspiciously clean beggar they think is faking for money

The irony!!

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Lgn90 · 07/07/2025 14:51

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 14:47

Of course it makes sense, otherwise you run the risk of losing the £100,000 you've lent.

And if you've lent someone money because they need it to pay back someone they've stolen money from then putting a charge on their house is the only sensible thing to do.

I meant their original claim that the Winns had lent money out, rather than borrowed money (to repay the theft)! How would the (fictitious) friend who was lent money for their business have any claim over their house?

Of course in the scenario as set out by the Observer, it makes total sense that the relative would take a charge over their property for the £100k.

UnsocialMedia · 07/07/2025 14:52

I love the meta idea of GA and JI starring in a film-about-a-film. With added skate boarding.

If this whole thing was written as a fiction, the plot twist would be that Raynor was poisoning Moth in an induced illness scenario for material gain and fame. That could be the third part of the trilogy.

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 14:56

TwistAndSpout · 07/07/2025 14:46

Fascinating stuff.

Woman who writes book where she admits she steals and rips people off turns out to be thief and liar.

Whoever would have thought it?

And yet thousands of people have read about the original thefts without having a problem with them. I wonder where their line is for acceptable/unacceptable thieving and dishonesty.

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This is an interesting point.

I think people accepted that the Walkers were destitute, and that low level thievery was perhaps acceptable because they had very little money, and felt so desperate that they had to do this.

Personally, when I saw the film, the repeated way they asked for hot water in cafes then put their own teabags in really rankled.

And now the big stuff is coming out, people realise that every theft, big or small, is just one more example of their sense of entitlement.

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CaptainMyCaptain · 07/07/2025 14:59

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:19

I really enjoyed the film, I like "stories about nothing" as my dad calls them. Quite Ian McEwan-y in parts with all the introspection and looking over nice views.

I did wonder why (the fuck) his name was Moth, I spent the whole film thinking it was Moss short for Amos but the fact it's basically a middle class couple who have made up hippy names to sound earthy is just the cherry on top of this whole story for me.

I think the cousin-cum-loanshark thing is absolutely bonkers and when you read the 18% interest thing I do wonder whether that was the original grift (they were going to canoe to Panama or similar) and they bit off more than they could chew when the debt was then sold on.

A big part of me is very impressed at people who have the absolute audacity to pull stuff like this off, I can't get angry really and just think "fair play to them". I literally broke down in tears when I got searched at a "no outside food" music festival and found to be smuggling in a couple of ham cobs.

For the third time Ti MOTH y it's an abbreviation I've come across before.

SpookyMcTaggart · 07/07/2025 14:59

There are now reports following up the Observer story in the Times, Telegraph, Evening Standard, BBC, and the Spectator among others, but nothing in the Guardian (unless I'm just not seeing it). Seems odd...

Wellwater · 07/07/2025 15:00

BarbaricYawp · 07/07/2025 14:36

It's interesting to me how hardline the distant relative became once there was an opportunity. He supposedly started off being all "nobody in my family's going to go to prison" and ended up bending over backwards to ensure that the loan couldn't be passed off as a business loss and even going so far as to write a statement urging the factors to repossess and sell the house. If it could have been characterised as a business loss, it wouldn't have been any skin off his nose as far as I can see. It makes me wonder if he was actually glad to see them suffer - except in that case, why help in the first place? In view of everything coming out, I half wonder if they extorted him originally - help us out, you're good for it, do you want your name associated with us in the press forever more, etc.

Part of me is really wanting to read the follow-up stories to see if stuff like that comes out, part of me is a bit worried this is all playing out too much like a Greek tragedy and something awful is going to happen. I don't know if I could cope with the intensity of the media gaze in her shoes to be completely honest.

Well, remember he’s dead, and we have only his widow’s account of what he did and why. She’s probably not going to want to paint her dead husband in a negative light by saying ‘Yes, he knowingly gave someone who had stolen a large amount of money from her employer money to buy off said employer and a fancy lawyer who made him sign an NDA and agree to drop all charges.’

As other people have pointed out, the family-minded ‘No relative of mine is going to prison!’ is already a bit odd in that he’s a distant relative of Tim Walker, not a close family member of Sally, who would have been the one going to jail if anyone (I mean, why would he care?) and sits even more oddly with the high interest rate, even if he didn’t know the house was heavily mortgaged. And presumably the Walkers’ defence in court was that it was a personal debt, not a business one, so the collapse of London Man’s business shouldn’t affect them.

I’m not suggesting that ‘Rebecca’, the man’s widow, is lying about the actual finances, only that she’s unlikely to want to say her dead husband helped a known thief to evade justice and hush up her crime, and then made very tough repayment terms. Who knows what his real motive was? I suspect there’s a bit of fudging going on there, too.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 15:02

Fandango52 · 07/07/2025 14:45

What book was that, @PhilippaGeorgiou? You don’t have to say, of course, but I’m intrigued!

No One Round Here Reads Tolstoy: Memoirs of a Working-Class Reader by M Hodkinson. If you attempt to read it, please bear in mind that I definitely didn't recommend it!

Although I just noticed that the Sunday Times also gave it a great review, as they did the Salt Path. Perhaps time to avoid "true to life" books that the Sunday Times recommends!

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/07/2025 15:03

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 07/07/2025 14:16

Moth is a nickname, a diminutive of TiMOTHy. My son has a nickname that has nothing to do with his actual name, it just evolved when he was a teenager and his friends came up with it.

This. I don't know why people are finding this the most unbelievable part of the story.

faffadoodledo · 07/07/2025 15:03

TwistAndSpout · 07/07/2025 14:46

Fascinating stuff.

Woman who writes book where she admits she steals and rips people off turns out to be thief and liar.

Whoever would have thought it?

And yet thousands of people have read about the original thefts without having a problem with them. I wonder where their line is for acceptable/unacceptable thieving and dishonesty.

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I think this thread shows how many people WERE bothered. I was among them - couldn’t bear the way they treated others.
I live in Cornwall
so someone out of county bought the book for me, thinking I’d love it. I didn’t!

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 15:04

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/07/2025 14:59

For the third time Ti MOTH y it's an abbreviation I've come across before.

Until their real names came out yesterday they were peddling the notion that Moth was a nickname from the 80s and 90s when he was an eco activist, and that his real name was Ray.

The link is about ten posts up the thread.

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AgitatedGoose · 07/07/2025 15:04

I’ve read all three books and wondered if she used a ghost writer as she’s so inarticulate when interviewed. Her reading voice is dreadful and RW definitely needs voice coaching.

As a seasoned camper with expedition grade equipment, their flimsy tent and sleeping bags wouldn’t have survived the weather conditions you encounter in the UK - at least not for months at a time. I’ve generally had a car, and even with that it’s been challenging at times. Doing long distance routes with the gear they had would have been impossible, even for the most resilient which they definitely weren’t.

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/07/2025 15:06

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 15:04

Until their real names came out yesterday they were peddling the notion that Moth was a nickname from the 80s and 90s when he was an eco activist, and that his real name was Ray.

The link is about ten posts up the thread.

Given that his name is Timothy I think my version is more likely to be true although the eco vibes might have also played a part.

Needhelp101 · 07/07/2025 15:07

Rallentanda · 07/07/2025 14:49

Anyone else just really glad they haven't got round to reading the book? 😂

Me. I did actually buy it but haven't got around to reading it.
Ironically, I may actually read it now 😁

Needhelp101 · 07/07/2025 15:09

UnsocialMedia · 07/07/2025 14:52

I love the meta idea of GA and JI starring in a film-about-a-film. With added skate boarding.

If this whole thing was written as a fiction, the plot twist would be that Raynor was poisoning Moth in an induced illness scenario for material gain and fame. That could be the third part of the trilogy.

😂

Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 15:09

AgitatedGoose · 07/07/2025 15:04

I’ve read all three books and wondered if she used a ghost writer as she’s so inarticulate when interviewed. Her reading voice is dreadful and RW definitely needs voice coaching.

As a seasoned camper with expedition grade equipment, their flimsy tent and sleeping bags wouldn’t have survived the weather conditions you encounter in the UK - at least not for months at a time. I’ve generally had a car, and even with that it’s been challenging at times. Doing long distance routes with the gear they had would have been impossible, even for the most resilient which they definitely weren’t.

I'm very inarticulate when speaking, it has no reflection on my written ability. My daughter is pretty much the opposite.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 07/07/2025 15:09

Needhelp101 · 07/07/2025 15:07

Me. I did actually buy it but haven't got around to reading it.
Ironically, I may actually read it now 😁

If anyone wants to, hang on until tomorrow. It's Prime sales on Amazon, and I suspect they may have a lot of stock they want to clear...

Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 15:09

Needhelp101 · 07/07/2025 15:07

Me. I did actually buy it but haven't got around to reading it.
Ironically, I may actually read it now 😁

I'm gutted I gave my copy away for free because I would quite like to re read it once the whole story is out

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 15:10

CaptainMyCaptain · 07/07/2025 15:06

Given that his name is Timothy I think my version is more likely to be true although the eco vibes might have also played a part.

I'm not saying their version is true. Of course it's not.

I'm saying that those of you jumping up and down about Moth being a diminutive of Timothy (which we now all know) have completely missed the point.

Which is that we didn't know he was Timothy until yesterday.

So it's more of a "Ah, so that's where the Moth name came from", now that we know the truth.

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ChateauMargaux · 07/07/2025 15:12

I think 'James' was also not squeaky clean - his business went under and somehow his creditors were able to come after a loan agreement that he made with a relative... all very strange..

I feel very sorry for their children...

prh47bridge · 07/07/2025 15:13

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 14:47

Of course it makes sense, otherwise you run the risk of losing the £100,000 you've lent.

And if you've lent someone money because they need it to pay back someone they've stolen money from then putting a charge on their house is the only sensible thing to do.

I think @AWanderingFool is referring to the story in the book of them investing in a friend's company and that somehow resulting in them owing him money when his business failed. That doesn't make sense at all. If a company fails, investors lose their investment. They don't owe any more.

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TwistAndSpout · 07/07/2025 15:16

faffadoodledo · 07/07/2025 15:03

I think this thread shows how many people WERE bothered. I was among them - couldn’t bear the way they treated others.
I live in Cornwall
so someone out of county bought the book for me, thinking I’d love it. I didn’t!

Yes, many were bothered and really disliked their behaviour in the book, and quite a few have described being maligned for expressing these views at book clubs and the like. But many, many others were not. The reviews on Amazon for example are mainly positive, and many people on this thread have expressed disappointment which I just find bizarre.

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