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Thread 2. To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 21:10

Thread Two for The Salt Path and Raynor Winn/Sally Walker/Sally Winn discussions.

Thread One is here: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5368194-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

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Sausagenbacon · 07/07/2025 09:41

Tbh the part that angers me the most is them openly stealing from shops and not paying at campsites. That and the mocking of ordinary people they met along their walk.
This

Fandango52 · 07/07/2025 09:42

butwhomay · 07/07/2025 09:31

I think poking round their birth and marriage records is fine. It’s information that’s in the public domain.

In the spirit of which, someone said upthread that Sally claimed to be an only child. She’s not. She’s got an older sister.

I agree with this.

I also think it’s natural to be curious about their legal/given/married names in light of the Observer’s findings, as it turns out they go by a different names. Most of us took the story told in the book/film/interviews they’ve given in good faith, and now that it’s clear at least some of it was a lie, I think it’s natural we’re curious about what was true and what wasn’t.

We’re not descending into mob justice here, but just looking at publicly available information for our own curiosity.

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 09:42

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:35

My understanding is that the "embezzlees" got their money back years ago - that was what the loan from the cousin fella paid for. I understand that being scammed can take a toll on a person, of course I do, they trusted her. But they are getting to see karma play out now. The cousiny loan shark isn't really relevant to me; anyone who has bailiffs a finger-snap away and £120k to loan out on a whim is asking for trouble tbh.

And I don't massively feel sorry for people who bought the book and raffle ticket, there can't have been many of them and it was probably, what, a tenner?

Obviously if (and imho it is still a big if) they have lied about CBD then that's despicable. We can all hope it doesn't damage to reputation, if you like, of those with invisible or fluctuating illnesses.

The woman who bought their Welsh farmhouse received at least five county court judgements against them. She also received various demand letters about money they owed. She received legal documents from French authorities regarding non payment of property taxes and other fees. A garage mechanic in the town they lived is owed £800.

At best they did The Salt Path walk to escape their creditors, then after a couple of years had passed resurfaced with different names in a different part of the country.

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placemats · 07/07/2025 09:42

This revelation has come as no surprise to me but merely confirmed my suspicions. I read an online review of the film, because I love Cornwall and have had many fantastic costal walks. I was waiting to find out when Moth had died but the concluding paragraph said he was still 'miraculously' alive. I was shocked to say the least and found it difficult to believe.

Merrymouse · 07/07/2025 09:43

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:35

My understanding is that the "embezzlees" got their money back years ago - that was what the loan from the cousin fella paid for. I understand that being scammed can take a toll on a person, of course I do, they trusted her. But they are getting to see karma play out now. The cousiny loan shark isn't really relevant to me; anyone who has bailiffs a finger-snap away and £120k to loan out on a whim is asking for trouble tbh.

And I don't massively feel sorry for people who bought the book and raffle ticket, there can't have been many of them and it was probably, what, a tenner?

Obviously if (and imho it is still a big if) they have lied about CBD then that's despicable. We can all hope it doesn't damage to reputation, if you like, of those with invisible or fluctuating illnesses.

Other people in the village were owed money because they hadn’t paid their debts.

bibliomania · 07/07/2025 09:46

ZiggyPlaysGuitarrr · 07/07/2025 08:24

With regard to his CBD. My understanding (from the 3 books!) is that there's no test to diagnose it; rather the diagnosis is given upon presentation of certain symptoms, after tests have ruled other things out.

So it's not necessarily the case that they made that up.

It could be that they were told it was CBD, or likely to be CBD, after other conditions had been ruled out, but his long and relatively healthy life has cast the diagnosis into doubt, and perhaps they felt unable to say that after things had gone so far.

It could be that he does indeed have CBD and is an outlier who's doing much better than most (after all, averages are just that).

Surely the charity for CBD wouldn't have had him as a spokesperson without basic due diligence. I know from my own illness that all the charities I've received support from or had any involvement with have required ID and medical letters.

If it turns out that the CBD story is completely fictitious then that's absolutely despicable but let's not go in with the pitchforks just yet.

I find this more plausible than it starting off as an out-and-out lie.

It also wouldn't bother me if they didn't walk the entire SWCP - in fact I don't think they ever claimed to.

The stealing and then casting herself as the victim is what really bothers me.

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:47

Yeah, they're twats, but bold, audacious, confident (and very lucky) twats.

Wellwater · 07/07/2025 09:49

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:19

I really enjoyed the film, I like "stories about nothing" as my dad calls them. Quite Ian McEwan-y in parts with all the introspection and looking over nice views.

I did wonder why (the fuck) his name was Moth, I spent the whole film thinking it was Moss short for Amos but the fact it's basically a middle class couple who have made up hippy names to sound earthy is just the cherry on top of this whole story for me.

I think the cousin-cum-loanshark thing is absolutely bonkers and when you read the 18% interest thing I do wonder whether that was the original grift (they were going to canoe to Panama or similar) and they bit off more than they could chew when the debt was then sold on.

A big part of me is very impressed at people who have the absolute audacity to pull stuff like this off, I can't get angry really and just think "fair play to them". I literally broke down in tears when I got searched at a "no outside food" music festival and found to be smuggling in a couple of ham cobs.

I don’t disagree, actually. I quite liked TSP, though I was struck enough by the vagueness and implausibility of the legal case at the start to google variations on their names (or what I imagined their names to be), and to be interested in the fact that nothing came up at all. But I’m around a lot of writers, and one of the things it brings home to you is how much people construct particular narratives about an event, or their past, or a relationship, which don’t always bear much resemblance to my impression of the ‘facts’. Not just writers, obviously, but they’re one of the ones who put it down in written form.

The others are actors being interviewed. As someone said on this or another thread, Jason Isaacs says he was a oro skateboarder in his teens, opening skate parks and in magazines, but no one who was around in that world then has any memory of him at all, and no trace appears to exist in any magazines. Conscious lie? Amplification of some less significant truth, like him being a bit good and calling himself a ‘team’ with some other guys? Does he be,Eve it himself now? Possibly. Who knows?

ETA. Sorry, sent too soon. My point was going to be thst the story in the Observer actually makes sense of quite a few of the oddities in TSP. Not just the handwavy court case, but the fact that it seemed they had so few friends and family rallying round, the fact that they discounted staying local because of ‘gossip’, and their sense of self-righteous anger towards other people.

That scene where RW shoplifts food because they’re hungry and down to their last fiver, or when they stay in the campsite without paying makes a lot more sense if your life narrative is ‘We stole from richer people because we were desperate’.

Ditto the various scenes where Moth gives a poorer homeless person some of their food.

Sausagenbacon · 07/07/2025 09:49

When the book was published, the author would not have dreamt that it would be so popular. Since it became such a success, they must have been living in constant dread that they would get found out, as was bound to happen.

PandoraSocks · 07/07/2025 09:50

One thing I don't understand and sorry if it has been addressed before, but how were the charges "dropped" when the money embezzled was repaid?

Only CPS decide whether to proceed or not and I thought she had vanished before she could be charged any way?

NecklessMumster · 07/07/2025 09:51

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 08:32

They married on Skye in 1986. She was born Sally A Winn in Melton Mowbray in 1962. He was born Timothy R Walker in 1960, probably in Burton-upon-Trent, but there's another Timothy R Walker born in the same quarter of that year somewhere else, so can't say for certain.

Someone on my local fb says Tim went to their old school sixth form in Burton-upon-Trent

AWanderingFool · 07/07/2025 09:51

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:47

Yeah, they're twats, but bold, audacious, confident (and very lucky) twats.

You sound like you admire them.

They're not twats, they're criminals who still owe various creditors money.

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ZiggyPlaysGuitarrr · 07/07/2025 09:52

butwhomay · 07/07/2025 09:31

I think poking round their birth and marriage records is fine. It’s information that’s in the public domain.

In the spirit of which, someone said upthread that Sally claimed to be an only child. She’s not. She’s got an older sister.

That was me. How do you know she has a sister?

Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 09:52

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:47

Yeah, they're twats, but bold, audacious, confident (and very lucky) twats.

It's weird to admire people who have stolen so much from others. What a bizarre moral compass

PandoraSocks · 07/07/2025 09:53

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:47

Yeah, they're twats, but bold, audacious, confident (and very lucky) twats.

Well, their luck just ran out!

Merrymouse · 07/07/2025 09:54

Wellwater · 07/07/2025 09:49

I don’t disagree, actually. I quite liked TSP, though I was struck enough by the vagueness and implausibility of the legal case at the start to google variations on their names (or what I imagined their names to be), and to be interested in the fact that nothing came up at all. But I’m around a lot of writers, and one of the things it brings home to you is how much people construct particular narratives about an event, or their past, or a relationship, which don’t always bear much resemblance to my impression of the ‘facts’. Not just writers, obviously, but they’re one of the ones who put it down in written form.

The others are actors being interviewed. As someone said on this or another thread, Jason Isaacs says he was a oro skateboarder in his teens, opening skate parks and in magazines, but no one who was around in that world then has any memory of him at all, and no trace appears to exist in any magazines. Conscious lie? Amplification of some less significant truth, like him being a bit good and calling himself a ‘team’ with some other guys? Does he be,Eve it himself now? Possibly. Who knows?

ETA. Sorry, sent too soon. My point was going to be thst the story in the Observer actually makes sense of quite a few of the oddities in TSP. Not just the handwavy court case, but the fact that it seemed they had so few friends and family rallying round, the fact that they discounted staying local because of ‘gossip’, and their sense of self-righteous anger towards other people.

That scene where RW shoplifts food because they’re hungry and down to their last fiver, or when they stay in the campsite without paying makes a lot more sense if your life narrative is ‘We stole from richer people because we were desperate’.

Ditto the various scenes where Moth gives a poorer homeless person some of their food.

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The difference is that no part of Jason Isaac’s success is based on him being a pro skate boarder.

The Salt Path has been successful because it is presented as a moral story of triumph over adversity.

butwhomay · 07/07/2025 09:54

@ZiggyPlaysGuitarrr birth records using her maiden name and her mother’s maiden name. There’s a birth to the same combination of names in the same place a couple of years before.

Bruisername · 07/07/2025 09:55

People tend to see financial crime as victimless - and some even see it as plucky robin hoods sticking it to the big man

but she stole from a small family business and destroyed that man’s trust

they ran up massive debts by the look of it - I doubt the forced sale cleared the mortgage and the £150k

They’ve run up debts in another country and evaded taxes there

people who happily defraud others are selfish and entitled - which is very much how she comes across in the book

butwhomay · 07/07/2025 09:55

Sausagenbacon · 07/07/2025 09:49

When the book was published, the author would not have dreamt that it would be so popular. Since it became such a success, they must have been living in constant dread that they would get found out, as was bound to happen.

Yes, but they didn’t go quiet and avoid publicity. They embraced it!

Sausagenbacon · 07/07/2025 09:56

I know.

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:56

I think it's weird to get hung up on a decades old unpaid invoice to a tradesperson when it's fairly obvious I was talking about the overall breadth of the scam being technically pretty impressive. I wouldn't be mates with them but Jesus they went big and if it wasn't for such fantastic investigative journalism they'd have got away with it.

I'm fascinated by them, but I wouldn't say I admire them exactly.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 07/07/2025 09:56

Bruisername · 07/07/2025 09:55

People tend to see financial crime as victimless - and some even see it as plucky robin hoods sticking it to the big man

but she stole from a small family business and destroyed that man’s trust

they ran up massive debts by the look of it - I doubt the forced sale cleared the mortgage and the £150k

They’ve run up debts in another country and evaded taxes there

people who happily defraud others are selfish and entitled - which is very much how she comes across in the book

They also stole from shops and campsites along the coastal path. Again not victimless crimes. People have to work very hard to make money out of those businesses

PandoraSocks · 07/07/2025 09:58

Her agency still have her on their front page. Wonder how long that will last?

Thread 2. To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Merrymouse · 07/07/2025 10:02

distinctpossibility · 07/07/2025 09:56

I think it's weird to get hung up on a decades old unpaid invoice to a tradesperson when it's fairly obvious I was talking about the overall breadth of the scam being technically pretty impressive. I wouldn't be mates with them but Jesus they went big and if it wasn't for such fantastic investigative journalism they'd have got away with it.

I'm fascinated by them, but I wouldn't say I admire them exactly.

‘Tradesperson’?

Are trades people less worthy of being paid?

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