... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

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Or, more accurately: AIBU to be afraid that truly nasty piece of work Nigel Farage who has, by all accounts, always been utterly useless at (or at least completely uninterested in) the actual business end of governing will be our next PM because everyone is so fed up with all the other parties being, variously or all at once, so corrupt, incompetent and useless that we've collectively abandoned all hope? I will never vote for Farage, who is a horrible man, or any of his party which keeps having to fire people for being just a teensy bit too overtly racist - but it seems from the polls that for many people the choice against the status quo outweighs what we may be choosing. (For an example, I can't believe that Farage's stated position that DOGE in the US didn't go far enough with its swinging cuts to the social safety net would be popular with UK voters who recently elected a government on the basis that it would reverse years of Tory austerity... not that that's worked out so well...)

Can’t speak for anyone else. But awww thanks, yes.

Well most of the young people i know love Reform…apart from a few militant lefties!

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Wait…..lemme catch a breath……hahahahahhahah

This gets said a lot.

There is a spectrum though, isn't there? Yes, politicians of all stripes have been known to say one thing and do another, to a greater or lesser degree. Does this mean that we might as well just throw the baby out with the bath water and vote for the guy with the least integrity because "oh well, they're all at it"? NF has been shown to outright lie, lie by omission, mislead the electorate and shirk his political responsibilities in favour of his own financial interests repeatedly.

To keep Farage out of number 10, Labour have to get a grip on immigration, I think a lot of Reform popularity is really a protest vote on this issue alone.

Do they come up to you and talk about how much they love reform? Or is it that when you start talking about it they either agree or don't say anything? I am sure the young people in your life that voice disagreement love being called militant lefties. But yup, it's the left exclusively that is full of hatred/bile and insults people who disagree with them.

I dread to think what life will be like!

Farage definitely will be the next PM.

Suckers.

If they had reformed PIP that might have seen off Nigel Farage. They caved in to the lefties. Waste of time.

No chance of that, already there is talk of a govt rebellion against Starmer’s proposed “one in, one out” policy

Talk in the Telegraph started by rabble rouser Clive Lewis.

But Starter could personally stand on the cliffs of Dover with a howitzer, laughing manically as he shoots and sinks approaching dinghies with terrifying precision and many of the posters on here would complain he was soft on immigration. I agree they need to get a grip, but that means sorting out the chaos of the home office so claims get processed faster (and rejected claimants get sent back!), working with the French to curb the illegal boats. And directing police resources into disrupting the gangs involved in people snuggling and the illegal employment of people working in the UK. All of which is boring when you want an Australia style.solution or Alligator Alcatraz. And in the short term it generates headlines which make people think things have gotten worse (more raids on shops illegally employing people or laundering money/ more arrests of people smugglers means more stories about those things and worse crime stats)
There HAVE been noticeably more arrests and police disruption of criminal gangs. It needs doing so good. But it would never be seen by people already angry at Labour as a reason not to vote reform. So it's.sensible.from a governing perspective. But not politically much help. The flashy stuff (that video they did) looks tasteless to people like me and won't convince anti-inmigration types even though it's exactly what they say they want

So you’re a Farage fan? I probably wouldn’t vote for either of them unless I really like their manifesto. but I’m curious why people think Farage has better chance then corbyn?

Untrue then?

Wishful thinking probably.

What is it that concerns you?

Of course he would. Keep telling yourself that.

There’s a lot of truth in this.

Labour looks spineless and unable to make anything better for the majority of voters. Keeping unions and welfare claimants happy is not going to work.

He can't even hold on to his MPs and residents of local councils where Reform were elected are not happy with their leadership so far as they are completely out of their depths...

Anyone who think that grifter could run a country is insane.

Agree. Will be their downfall.

There is years yet before the next election, and by then reform will have shown how badly they Mandy the councils they have won, and people will see them for what they really are, not a party to be dealt with

i formly believe that the reform vote was purely a way that the electorate used to show all parties how sick they are off all of them. The parties will learn and reform will not win

Do you think that might reflect your social circle rather than all young people?
That is not sarcastic.
In the area of the north west I live in there will be practically no young people supporting conservative, that doesn't mean that is the same in, for example the home counties, or farming areas.

There’s no truth in it at all. The MPs who threatened to vote against were mandated to do so by their constituents. You know, the people who voted them in to power. It’s high time the government stopped pandering to prospective Reform voters.

See the video. Then read the comments. Looking tough doesn't work and will always be read as weakness/ fear of reform. Quietly getting on with tackling the gangs behind it is needed as is sorting out the chaotic nature of the home office/asylum processing. I was actually pleasantly surprised by Labour so far in terms of actions actually taken (rather than rhetoric) But also won't work. So either way, Labour can't win by sorting out immigration alone.

Well, what a revelation! You can win elections by not listening…sorry…’pandering’ to voters.

At least that’s a good way to pave the path for Reform into power. Let Reform ‘pander’ to their own voters.

More hypocrisy. When you do what benefits claimants want, you are listening. When you do what everyone else wants, you are pandering. Way to go.