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... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

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ohime · 06/07/2025 11:04

Or, more accurately: AIBU to be afraid that truly nasty piece of work Nigel Farage who has, by all accounts, always been utterly useless at (or at least completely uninterested in) the actual business end of governing will be our next PM because everyone is so fed up with all the other parties being, variously or all at once, so corrupt, incompetent and useless that we've collectively abandoned all hope? I will never vote for Farage, who is a horrible man, or any of his party which keeps having to fire people for being just a teensy bit too overtly racist - but it seems from the polls that for many people the choice against the status quo outweighs what we may be choosing. (For an example, I can't believe that Farage's stated position that DOGE in the US didn't go far enough with its swinging cuts to the social safety net would be popular with UK voters who recently elected a government on the basis that it would reverse years of Tory austerity... not that that's worked out so well...)

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Inertia · 06/07/2025 12:01

yellowspanner · 06/07/2025 11:38

I would love Nigel Farage to be the next Prime Minister. I think he would sort immigration, cut welfare and lower taxes

What makes you think that , given his past record? He certainly talks a good game, but hasn’t actually achieved any of his stated objectives in previous positions of power . He attended 1 meeting of the fisheries committee in his time as an MEP, despite managing to convince the electorate he was on the side of the fishing industry. He had just about the poorest attendance record of any MEP. He refuses to hold open constituency surgeries in Clacton.

Can you evidence anything he’s actually achieved? He obeyed his paymasters and got the UK out of the EU, but given that brexit has been an utter shit show it doesn’t count as an achievement.

SummerEve · 06/07/2025 12:02

ThejoyofNC · 06/07/2025 11:24

I certainly hope he is.

At this point just to upset the boring idiots who just keep saying "aaaah he's so racist" on repeat.

Why?

user1471516498 · 06/07/2025 12:03

We actually have a bigger problem. A poll recently showed that if an election was called today, a possible result is no government. No two parties get enough seats to form a coalition.
OK, a poll 4 years before an election is pretty meaningless, but it shows that we need PR urgently. Our system doesn't work with 4 parties.

Icecreamandcoffee · 06/07/2025 12:07

We probably will. Or a party of a very similar vein. The mainstream parties need to bang their heads together and start LISTENING to the everyday people and not just gaslighting or ignoring.

Lots of people are fed up, they voted for change and have seen very little and in some cases worsening of their circumstances. Reform are very good at talking about issues that are affecting "the common people". People want answers in and what the government are doing about certain key issues: housing, health (Drs/ dentists/ hospitals/ waiting lists), immigration (both legal and illegal), child/ elderly care, policing, taxation.

Lots of ordinary people are finding themselves taxed to the brink but seeing very little in terms of service improvements. Roads are a mess, bins not been emptied in certain parts of the country, schools are underfunded and falling to bits, adult social care doesn't work. People are seriously wondering what they are paying for and getting disenchanted. On some cases the new NI and tax proposals have seen normal people have their hours cut making them worse off.

High streets are decimated, empty shops everywhere and anti social behaviour, begging, shoplifting is on the rise. Almost every high street across the country is now made up of pound shops, Greggs, charity shops, vape shops, betting shops, and obvious money laundering fronts (dodgy nail bars, Turkish barbers who never have customers, "American sweet" shops, "desert shops" that open at random hours (usually between 7pm and 3am) and you have to WhatsApp/ order on Facebook, "junk" shops with no prices and no customers). There has been no investment for years. People are seeing blatant shoplifting happening and no repercussions. Everyone can identify at least 1 money laundering front on their high street and yet it's allowed to continue with no action.

Housing. So many issues with housing. Those in the private rental sector who are trapped with soaring rents, unable to move housing due to rent. The current government is going ahead with rental reform but it's driving landlords out and causing even greater problems for renters. They won't listen to the sector and renters are paying the price. Social and council housing is a complete mess and needs urgent action. House prices for those buying privately have spiralled out of control but are now slipping. People don't want to buy as they are scared of negative equity. Lots and flats are struggling to be sold due to issues with cladding that still hasn't been sorted out. Leasehold reform is not happening quick enough. New build estates are cropping up all over the country in huge amounts to detriment of the towns and villages they are shoehorned onto but the developers have got savvy to having to deliver the infrastructure and affordable housing element they promised which then causes issues with local services. A change in the law which forces developers to build and provide all the infrastructure and affordable elements FISRT would change this. As well as prohibiting the splitting up of a development into multiple small developments on one site so as to be under the S106 agreements.

Health is again a mess. People can't see their Drs. Getting a Drs appointment for many now involves either a lengthy queue or logging onto an app. No NHS dentists for miles and NHS dental appointments are like rocking horse poo. People are pulling their own teeth, putting into their own temporary fillings. Huge waiting lists for certain services, mental health is a mess. A+E swamped most days and corridor care brought in.

Immigration is frankly an absolute mess. There is visa abuse going on, abuse of the human rights arguments, abuse of the courts. Delays in processing. In terms of illegal immigration it is even more of a mess and there has been countless expensive solutions which have not worked and in some cases have made the situation even worse and people are fed up.

Reform are providing Answers to these issues, however distasteful they may be. People are fed up of been gaslit and ignored about issues that are affecting them day to day. Been called thick or racist or intolerant for having genuine concerns (both in regards to immigration but also the trans issues).

Livpool · 06/07/2025 12:09

HelpMeRonda · 06/07/2025 11:21

If people were dumb enough to vote for Brexit then they're certainly dumb enough to vote for Farage as PM.

Exactly and it’s terrifying

EasternStandard · 06/07/2025 12:09

bobby81 · 06/07/2025 11:57

I’m amazed at the amount of people I know who are now Reform supporters - all different ages, backgrounds, races, religions too. Maybe they always were secret Farage fans but it’s now more acceptable to be open about it.
I agree with pp that the other parties don’t do themselves any favours by dismissing the genuine concerns of millions of voters & the patronising comments from some people towards Reform supporters aren’t acceptable.
As a side note - I live in an area with a new Reform council & can honestly say I’m impressed so far. They are not afraid to make decisions & I can’t believe I’m saying this but I agree with everything they’ve done here (obviously it’s very early days!) We needed a change after being a Tory area forever and they are definitely bringing that change.

Polling means more are supporters atm than for any other party so I guess in some areas that’s not surprising.

noblegiraffe · 06/07/2025 12:11

Hendil · 06/07/2025 11:44

Isn't that a good thing.

Pledging to make people's online shopping more expensive isn't generally a popular vote-winner.

theresnolimits · 06/07/2025 12:19

I don’t think there is any chance that Nigel Farage will be the next PM.

Firstly the UK electoral system means he has to win a majority of constituencies. He has support in some areas but can he win the majority of consistencies? The Brexit vote bought together left and right wing ( remember the unions were in favour of it). And it was a straight yes/no - general elections don’t work like this.

It’s at least three, maybe four years until the next election. Much too far out to make any predictions. If Labour can make tangible progress on the economy, immigration, the NHS, then things will look very different. They’ve made some real missteps and are learning on the job - but they are learning.

And I don’t even think NF wants it. He’s a disrupter, not a grafter.

CyclingAddict · 06/07/2025 12:20

Well done @Icecreamandcoffee I have faith that Reform will do what the others can’t seem to manage

NF has old fashioned values - apart from some of the obvious changes he wants to make, he plans to allow new mums to stay at home longer by altering the Tax paid by the fathers. This is just one other thing which might be worth thinking about.

BlueSlate · 06/07/2025 12:20

I know a fair few Reform voters and they would love nothig more than to see NF as the next PM because they've become so disillusioned by what they see in the country and they think that NF is the only one who 'gets it' or sees the 'real problems' and root causes. Ultimately, they are mostly scared.

The day after Brexit (and NF's rhetoric did a lot to secure that vote), the biggest Google search was "What is the EU?" Many people voted in anger, in fear and out of a need for "Britian to be great again," without having a clue what they were actually voting for or what policies were in place, what could happen and what would work. Remain failed because the rest of the country thought Brexit was such a ridiculous idea that no one would ever vote for it (including the politicians who didn't want to leave and which was why there was no equivalent Remain campaign which stated the benefits of EU membership.) I remember my fb feed being full of confusion that politicians resigned in the days following Brexit because they'd brought in the referendum and so surely they thought it was a good idea too? "I don't understand. This was what they wanted. So why are they all resigning?" was the general theme.

If Reform win the next GE, it will be for similar reasons.

Over the last few years, the main things I've personally heard people discussing were the issues around women's rights, and the threat to that of gender self ID, and immigration and the perceived threat to crime, public safety and the economy.

While the other parties were pretending that no one could tell the difference ehetween men and women and stating that some women do have penises, Reform were stating that there are two sexes. Some Reform voters will have mistaken that for NF being a friend to women and the rest just saw it as common sense and someone not being afraid to stand up for the truth. And they liked that.

And whilst the other parties refuse to be seen to be taking action (in the eyes of many) against mass immigration whilst also announcing cuts to disability finding and threatening the security of council housing, NF's pledge to stop the 'boat people' gives confidence to some that those changes to benefits and working class rights will be protected because some people see them as linked.

It's easy (for those who do) to belittle Reform voters as 'not very bright' or racist or whatever but those 'not very bright', racist people feel very strongly and are voting.

Over the last 20 years, mainstream politicians have lost public trust and confidence. People feel they are feathering their own nests, lying to the general public and too keen to he seen as being on 'the right side of history' and anyone who has disagreed has been removed and lost their voice. While the mainstream parties are regarded in this way, it always leaves room for fringe parties to rise.

People voted for Labour expecting to get a Blair or whatever style government. The Labour of old. Investment in public services, support for the most vulnerable, schools, families etc and what we're seeing is the opposite to that.

People are scared and that is why Reform are achieving successes. Not because they are right or the best but because people are scared or voting in protest. And the main parties need to recognise that and address it.

The bottom line is that when people can't afford to put a roof over their children's heads, feed their families and their cost of living increasing exponentially, they don't care about GDP. They don't see any evidence of a 'trickle down economy' and they don't see 'ordinary people' being protected.

And it doesn't matter if you personally can see the flawed logic in their thinking.

rumblegrumble · 06/07/2025 12:33

BlueJuniper94 · 06/07/2025 11:53

Has anyone seen his wife lately? Feel like we saw SamCam all the time, Cherie Blair, Sarah Brown, Theresa May's partner... Where's Victoria?

Why would we need to see her? Nobody elected her, why would she think it appropriate to involve herself in politics. Do you take your spouse to work?

Not a fan of Starmer, but do respect his wife for not trying to grab her husband's spotlight. I have no respect for the other women you have mentioned, nor their international counterparts.

(And I don't remember Theresa May's husband being much in the public eye - and the fact you don't even remember his name suggests you maybe don't either!)

BlueSlate · 06/07/2025 12:35

And I don’t even think NF wants it. He’s a disrupter, not a grafter.

Totally agree with this.

Alexandra2001 · 06/07/2025 12:39

yellowspanner · 06/07/2025 11:38

I would love Nigel Farage to be the next Prime Minister. I think he would sort immigration, cut welfare and lower taxes

You also thought Brexit was a great idea too and would solve all our problems.

Reform wont even win the next GE, their polling just isn't high enough, 28% jst 4% above Labour.... their vote distribution plus in competition with the Tories, if they can't do better now, when Labour are doing so poorly, then they have no chance in 4 years.

They lost 2 out of 5 MPs already, one for fraud, they have lost some council seats too.

Farage is nothing more than a con man.

rumblegrumble · 06/07/2025 12:40

CyclingAddict · 06/07/2025 12:20

Well done @Icecreamandcoffee I have faith that Reform will do what the others can’t seem to manage

NF has old fashioned values - apart from some of the obvious changes he wants to make, he plans to allow new mums to stay at home longer by altering the Tax paid by the fathers. This is just one other thing which might be worth thinking about.

Not sure helping new mums stay at home is necessarily as benevolent as it may seem, feels like it's maybe an attempt to get women back into the kitchen and let the menfolk concern themselves with the world of work. Great for the 'trad wives' amongst us, possibly less so for everyone else.

HiddenRiver · 06/07/2025 12:42

BlueSlate · 06/07/2025 12:20

I know a fair few Reform voters and they would love nothig more than to see NF as the next PM because they've become so disillusioned by what they see in the country and they think that NF is the only one who 'gets it' or sees the 'real problems' and root causes. Ultimately, they are mostly scared.

The day after Brexit (and NF's rhetoric did a lot to secure that vote), the biggest Google search was "What is the EU?" Many people voted in anger, in fear and out of a need for "Britian to be great again," without having a clue what they were actually voting for or what policies were in place, what could happen and what would work. Remain failed because the rest of the country thought Brexit was such a ridiculous idea that no one would ever vote for it (including the politicians who didn't want to leave and which was why there was no equivalent Remain campaign which stated the benefits of EU membership.) I remember my fb feed being full of confusion that politicians resigned in the days following Brexit because they'd brought in the referendum and so surely they thought it was a good idea too? "I don't understand. This was what they wanted. So why are they all resigning?" was the general theme.

If Reform win the next GE, it will be for similar reasons.

Over the last few years, the main things I've personally heard people discussing were the issues around women's rights, and the threat to that of gender self ID, and immigration and the perceived threat to crime, public safety and the economy.

While the other parties were pretending that no one could tell the difference ehetween men and women and stating that some women do have penises, Reform were stating that there are two sexes. Some Reform voters will have mistaken that for NF being a friend to women and the rest just saw it as common sense and someone not being afraid to stand up for the truth. And they liked that.

And whilst the other parties refuse to be seen to be taking action (in the eyes of many) against mass immigration whilst also announcing cuts to disability finding and threatening the security of council housing, NF's pledge to stop the 'boat people' gives confidence to some that those changes to benefits and working class rights will be protected because some people see them as linked.

It's easy (for those who do) to belittle Reform voters as 'not very bright' or racist or whatever but those 'not very bright', racist people feel very strongly and are voting.

Over the last 20 years, mainstream politicians have lost public trust and confidence. People feel they are feathering their own nests, lying to the general public and too keen to he seen as being on 'the right side of history' and anyone who has disagreed has been removed and lost their voice. While the mainstream parties are regarded in this way, it always leaves room for fringe parties to rise.

People voted for Labour expecting to get a Blair or whatever style government. The Labour of old. Investment in public services, support for the most vulnerable, schools, families etc and what we're seeing is the opposite to that.

People are scared and that is why Reform are achieving successes. Not because they are right or the best but because people are scared or voting in protest. And the main parties need to recognise that and address it.

The bottom line is that when people can't afford to put a roof over their children's heads, feed their families and their cost of living increasing exponentially, they don't care about GDP. They don't see any evidence of a 'trickle down economy' and they don't see 'ordinary people' being protected.

And it doesn't matter if you personally can see the flawed logic in their thinking.

Surely people are not that silly to believe “People voted for Labour expecting to get a Blair or whatever style government. The Labour of old.”?!

There is no money. It’s not possible. The landscape is entirely different to 1997. The easiest thing to do is spend money - but sadly Starmer didn’t inherit John Major’s amazing late 90s economy. The one with No aging population problems, no welfare dependency, etc etc.

Whoever is in office from now on has it rough and I’ve no idea why anyone would want to be in government tbh.

strawlight · 06/07/2025 12:42

BlueJuniper94 · 06/07/2025 11:40

Because who on earth are the LibDems? What are they? Other than some vague safe protest vote for middle class people. They're nothing.

Yes this is exactly what I’m saying. Surely they should be taking the opportunity to try and be something

Alexandra2001 · 06/07/2025 12:42

NF has old fashioned values

True, shagging around behind his wife's back, claiming expenses he isn't entitled too... selecting fraudsters to be MPs.... maybe he should join the Tory Party?

MasterBeth · 06/07/2025 12:43

BlueJuniper94 · 06/07/2025 12:00

Don't watch GB news

I didn’t say you do. I said you were regurgitating their right-wing playbook.

StandFirm · 06/07/2025 12:48

The problem is, the working class has been desperate for change for over a decade now and nothing seems to have worked. It's infuriating that someone who is directly responsible for the shit show that is Brexit - because it is an UTTER shit show - might get his big break by stepping in as the untried 'solution' to fix the crap that he's thrown us into.
But that is exactly what populist manipulation is about.
I don't blame the voters. I blame the political establishment that is making it happen. And it does so consistently- especially whenever more fringe parties gain popularity and eat into centrist votes. If the centre cannot hold, things do fall apart. Reform split votes on the right and pulled the Tories further to the right. Corbin is about to do the same on the left. And Corbin can always be trusted to fuck things up for centrist politics.
Voting for far right populists (or any populist with an authoritarian agenda) is giving democracy the rope to hang itself. It's not like we can't see what is going on in the US but too many people don't understand that the rule of law is not there to prevent shit getting done (that's the MAGA pitch).
Rule of law is there to keep rampant corruption in check and to prevent the economy from getting rigged even more than it already is, and to prevent our rights as individuals from getting utterly trampled on. You'd think it's enough to abide by the rules in an authoritarian state. Wrong. Because the definition of tyranny is that there is no rule apart from the moods and inscrutable agenda of the guy in charge, so you never actually know where you stand. That's why we need to elect politicians who value institutions and the rule of law. Not politicians who view any checks and balances as an inconvenience.

Jennps · 06/07/2025 12:49

Whether Farage can deliver anything is questionable but he’s not wrong about that fact that uncontrolled immigration and sky high public spending is unsustainable.

And calling the benefits system a safety net is just laughable. It’s not a safety net, it’s a lifestyle choice for millions. But now without the high earner to pay for it, as they leave the country, the freebies have to be pared back massively. Which this government is both unwilling and unable to do.

The Tories were diabolical and are finished forever if not a for a generation - hopefully forever. This government sinks to new unprotected depths of incompetence. So Farage it is in the future.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 06/07/2025 12:49

I am afraid you are right, @ohime, and I am sick to my stomach at the thought.

Jennps · 06/07/2025 12:50

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 06/07/2025 11:18

The country will be like A fucking Handmaids Tale in Farage gets in. 😱

Huh, are you this melodramatic in real life too?

CyclingAddict · 06/07/2025 12:51

If Pensions are this country’s biggest cost, I do hope that no Government means test future Pensions (as has been talked about). I’ve worked full time for 45 years and paid NI contributions during all of that time. It would be a real bummer if I don’t qualify for a state Pension. Not sure if Reform have any such plans…??

StandFirm · 06/07/2025 12:52

Jennps · 06/07/2025 12:50

Huh, are you this melodramatic in real life too?

He's a nativist. He has said openly that natives should breed more if immigrants are going to be thrown out. How do you think that's going to happen exactly? Do you think that's compatible with feminism?