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... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

817 replies

ohime · 06/07/2025 11:04

Or, more accurately: AIBU to be afraid that truly nasty piece of work Nigel Farage who has, by all accounts, always been utterly useless at (or at least completely uninterested in) the actual business end of governing will be our next PM because everyone is so fed up with all the other parties being, variously or all at once, so corrupt, incompetent and useless that we've collectively abandoned all hope? I will never vote for Farage, who is a horrible man, or any of his party which keeps having to fire people for being just a teensy bit too overtly racist - but it seems from the polls that for many people the choice against the status quo outweighs what we may be choosing. (For an example, I can't believe that Farage's stated position that DOGE in the US didn't go far enough with its swinging cuts to the social safety net would be popular with UK voters who recently elected a government on the basis that it would reverse years of Tory austerity... not that that's worked out so well...)

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EasternStandard · 06/07/2025 17:02

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 16:58

Right. It rose by over 40%. Is this more or less than it was on trajectory to be given world events?
How many of those people had genuine. Claims to asylum?
How was this measured?

A quick verbal sound bite on a TV channel that is not known for is impartiality.

This is the difficulty. If people try and point out why this is not stat which can help us understand the issue with any meaning they will be labelled elitist.

So we policy make on a sound data because that's what is popular with chunk of the electorate?

Crossings were up that’s the measurement. It’s hard to claim you’re ‘smashing the gangs’ as Labour did when the opposite is happening.

For all Labour’s attempts to dodge accountability this one is the hardest. There’s no hiding from the weekly count of how many arrive.

Livelovebehappy · 06/07/2025 17:02

User135644 · 06/07/2025 15:18

Did anyone really think Labour were going to be any good? The Tories were just done and they won by default. There was no enthusiasm for Starmer and his rabble.

In 4 years Reform will win by default because Labour won't deal with immigration and won't get the economy in better shape.

Edited

I think whilst a lot of people voted Labour in to keep the Tories out, because we hadn't seen a Labour government in office for so long, we just had a bit of hope that maybe things might be different. That Starmer was not as to the left as his predecessors, and that he seemed to be a decent guy. Maybe we were so desperate to be rescued we were too blinkered.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:04

Jennps · 06/07/2025 16:58

Oh look people, a couple of saviours on here have solved the political crisis and convinced the country to not vote for Reform by sharing a link and then misquoting the statistics from their own link.

Everyone can rest easy now. Reform are definitely no longer ahead in the polls. Definitely not eating into red wall majorities. Everyone is convinced that there is no issue with mass immigration. The illegal immigration is totally under control.

Everyone can log off and go home now. Sorted.

Can you try and engage like an adult?

You do realise that our lives and wellbeing sit in he hands of those voted into power both domestically and internationally?

tobee · 06/07/2025 17:05

Still haven't heard anything about what Reform would do to sort the situation the country is currently in.

Anyone can point to the mistakes of past governments.

But then what?

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CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:06

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 16:57

So pre Covid?

And through COVID and managed education services beyond. So slightly more expertise than having read a couple of daily mail articles.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:07

tobee · 06/07/2025 17:05

Still haven't heard anything about what Reform would do to sort the situation the country is currently in.

Anyone can point to the mistakes of past governments.

But then what?

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They won't. But it will be even more socially acceptable to be a racist so it will be fine.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:09

unsurewhattodoaboutit · 06/07/2025 16:37

Yep we’ve proved we are dumb enough to. We love to self harm us Brits!

Can you imagine any other country where voters don't want an intelligent government because it is elitist?

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:10

EasternStandard · 06/07/2025 16:39

Go to the refugee council site and google what you want info on re numbers. It’s a current news topic you can pick the media of your choice.

You said you had data to evidence your point?
You don't do you.
You think it's probably out there. But wouldn't know what high quality data and statistics were if they slapped you on your bum.

Livelovebehappy · 06/07/2025 17:11

Namitynamename · 06/07/2025 15:31

People

If you mean you think that, say you think that.

This weird "people are saying" rather than I think is very disingenuous. And hard to counteract because is someone says "that's silly" you can counteract with "going around calling people silly are you? No wonder people are voting for reform of what they think is dismissed as silly". And means the only evidence you need to provide is evidence of people saying something, not that what they are saying is true

I think that, people think that, interpret it how you want. Not weird at all......Confused

Easipeelerie · 06/07/2025 17:11

Screamingabdabz · 06/07/2025 11:21

For people who only engage with politics on a headline level see Farage as one of the most successful politicians ever. Objectively he is. He took a single policy party and made it a reality. Brexit was a direct result of years Farage’s political campaigning. Look at the recent local elections. People voted for Reform in swathes because Farage speaks to them. That’s why we now have children running multi million Councils. It’s bad but what does it say about mainstream politics?

As an aside, I’ve wondered whether these ‘children’ running councils need to have kind of Lord Protectors. They’re surely not capable of managing huge budgets without a lot of advice.

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 17:12

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:09

Can you imagine any other country where voters don't want an intelligent government because it is elitist?

LOL are you taking about the ‘intelligent elitist’ Government who introduced the education and vocational training tax in January? Jesus wept

BlueJuniper94 · 06/07/2025 17:12

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2025 13:38

Both. Completely out of touch with reality because Eliot was right - humankind cannot bear too much reality. They’re selling gullible people an unattainable fantasy, much like Johnson’s sunlit uplands.

What is the unattainable fantasy you think they're trying to sell?

What do you think we're going to get instead?

And what unattainable fantasy do you wish we would try and aim towards?

mrshoho · 06/07/2025 17:14

Ten years ago I'd have said there was a zero chance of a political party such as Reform winning a UK GE. Currently I would say they have as much a chance as Labour and the Conservatives. And depending on how the next few years go could well end up leading the polls. Whether Farage is still leader though who knows? No longer is it a two party race.

EasternStandard · 06/07/2025 17:15

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:10

You said you had data to evidence your point?
You don't do you.
You think it's probably out there. But wouldn't know what high quality data and statistics were if they slapped you on your bum.

Didn’t you ask another pp to engage like an adult?

You sound a bit wound up. Relax.

But yes the figures are stark for Labour. Just a 48% increase is the headline they won’t want given their GE pledge.

MaySea · 06/07/2025 17:17

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2025 16:43

This old right wing trick is very tedious. If you’re going to bandy stats about show where you got them from otherwise they’ll be assumed to be confected as they are above. Last year 88% of claims were refused, whereas just 24% were in 2022. It looks as if this government is doing what it promised.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

88% were refused in 2004, 53% were refused last year.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:17

Julen7 · 06/07/2025 16:36

@CleverButScatty is your username serious? You are being really irritating.

I get that you find robust debate irritating. That's really apparent don't worry.

But I certainly don't want someone leading our country who can't deal with it both domestically in the commons and internationally. Especially with how tense the international situation is.

And dismissing robust debate, where people need to evidence their views and reasoning will lead to that.

Livelovebehappy · 06/07/2025 17:18

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:58

Do you realise that if elected, reform will have to deal with all of the complex issues involved with running a country as well as the immigration issue.

Can I ask a genuine question? Have you looked at their other policies and thought your life would be better and your family more secure with them? Could you tell me about this?

Do you have views on
The NHS
State education
The UK getting involved in a way in the middle east
The economy?

I am genuinely asking you to share them

Well it seems Labour are ignoring these issues too, so nothing to see there....

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:19

MaySea · 06/07/2025 17:17

88% were refused in 2004, 53% were refused last year.

So more of them have a genuine claim to be here. Interesting. Bet that doesn't support Nige's rhetoric does it.

EasternStandard · 06/07/2025 17:19

MaySea · 06/07/2025 17:17

88% were refused in 2004, 53% were refused last year.

Yes those figure are the correct ones.

Fringle · 06/07/2025 17:20

Easipeelerie · 06/07/2025 17:11

As an aside, I’ve wondered whether these ‘children’ running councils need to have kind of Lord Protectors. They’re surely not capable of managing huge budgets without a lot of advice.

That’s not a bad idea. But it would apply equally to Labour, Tory, Lib Dem, SNP , Plaid and Independent councillors. Let’s face it, they’re none of them any geniuses.

No, the problem with Reform officials is that they have no philosophy apart from unthinking anger. Having general, uncontrollable anger as your motive force and purpose is just a recipe for falling out with everyone, whether your opponents or, especially, your colleagues and party rivals.

That’s why Reform has already run into trouble at the national level and will disintegrate at the local level.

Youdontseehow · 06/07/2025 17:20

HelpMeRonda · 06/07/2025 11:21

If people were dumb enough to vote for Brexit then they're certainly dumb enough to vote for Farage as PM.

That’s democracy for you!

Julen7 · 06/07/2025 17:22

Livelovebehappy · 06/07/2025 17:18

Well it seems Labour are ignoring these issues too, so nothing to see there....

Just what I said and got a lecture back

Doitrightnow · 06/07/2025 17:22

I can easily imagine it happening. People voted for Trump, Brexit, and Farage as MP. People are stupid and believe lies.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:23

Livelovebehappy · 06/07/2025 17:18

Well it seems Labour are ignoring these issues too, so nothing to see there....

Labour are the government in power and actively involved in this right now?

I'm not a fan of labour by the way, I know you have assumed I am, and I did vote for them tactically to. Lock the Tories and reform and would again.

I don't agree with Starmer's approach in the middles east, but he is there and involved so yes w know what Labour would do because they did it, they are in power..same with domestic policy?

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 17:24

Doitrightnow · 06/07/2025 17:22

I can easily imagine it happening. People voted for Trump, Brexit, and Farage as MP. People are stupid and believe lies.

It's easier than dealing with the difficulty the truth presents.

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