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Non-binary teacher?

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Thompson198 · 04/07/2025 07:23

Name change.
I’ve got a 5 year old daughter due to go into year 2 in September. We’ve just been told that the teacher for next year is a non-binary/‘non-gender-conforming’ man who wants to be referred to by ‘Mx’ (pronounced mix) and they/them pronouns.
Quite a few of the parents have already complained and started looking for other places at local schools because of this.
what do you think?
My daughter has SEN and is one of the youngest in her class, I worry how she’s going to be able to keep up with the pronouns and understand this without us having to teach her about gender ideology at her age. My husband is extremely against teaching her gender ideology, especially so young, I’m not the most positive about it either but don’t feel as strongly as him. He also doesn’t want her being at the school in September but they have been very supportive for her so far and I’m concerned it might not be the same elsewhere.
Thoughts? How would you feel if this was your child’s teacher?

OP posts:
Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:37

MaggiesShadow · 04/07/2025 11:36

But they're literally referring to themselves as a gender non-conforming MAN?

Oh wait. I just realised that might have been OP's own words. I wish she'd clarify.

Edited

No. OP is

Thatsrhesummeroverthen · 04/07/2025 11:37

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:34

Do you lot moaning that his ideas might permeate the skulls of your children not want gay teachers either? Or religious ones? Who can become a teacher?

Someone who believes in the Black Lives Matters movement? Are they OK? Pacifists? Someone who follows a particular political party?

All of that fine.
i take it you don't work in a school, Mumble? Or you'd have more of an understanding of what we're worried about.

Poetnojo · 04/07/2025 11:37

JimJimJam · 04/07/2025 11:06

I work with someone non-binary who prefer to use "they/them" pronouns but is OK with "he" and is quite comfortable acknowledging they're of the male sex. They just prefer to identify in a non-gendered way. I've gone from finding non-binary quite a confusing identification to feeling it's actually quite progressive and liberating. Why do we need an announcement of our sex/gender built into how we are addressed day-to-day?

Mx seems not too dissimilar to the adoption of Ms rather than Miss or Mrs - I don't need to announce my marital status in my title, why do I need to announce my sex or gender? Mx is fine. They/them is fine.

Wasn't that long ago that you had to make quite an effort to be identified as Ms - it wasn't on every drop-down menu on forms, on the phone you'd be saying "No, not Miss, Ms, M-S Ms". And now it's entirely common and normal. I'm sure Mx will seem similar in time.

Took me a while at work when talking about our non-binary colleague not to assume when people were using "they" in conversation that they were talking about more than one person but honestly it's quite easy to get accustomed to.

Now imagine you're a 6 year old with SEN and see if it's the same at all

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/07/2025 11:40

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:34

Do you lot moaning that his ideas might permeate the skulls of your children not want gay teachers either? Or religious ones? Who can become a teacher?

Someone who believes in the Black Lives Matters movement? Are they OK? Pacifists? Someone who follows a particular political party?

Are any of those based on lies?

More false equivalency. Where’s my bingo card?

TheWonderhorse · 04/07/2025 11:40

I'm a bit confused actually. The OP calls the teacher a 'non-binary' man, but who said that? Surely the school didn't put "non-binary man" in a letter?

Has anyone actually met them?

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:40

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:36

Do the gay teachers expect their 6 year old students to validate their sexuality?

I dont know, I've never known a teacher in 21 years of parenting to ask a child to validate any of their ideologies. But you seem utterly adamant that this one ideology will be imposed on children, but no others.

Rockhopper3 · 04/07/2025 11:41

FruityCider · 04/07/2025 08:51

Children are going to have to learn to get on with and respect the beliefs of all sorts of people whether they believe what they do or not. Something being 'unscientific' is not a measure of whether or not we treat people with dignity and respect their wishes, which in this case is a very easy wish to follow.

As a society we accommodate religious dietary requirements and dress. We send good wishes on people's religious holidays. We call a priest 'father' and nuns 'sister'. We might think privately it's made up bollocks, but we still respect other people's differences.

The kids really won't find it hard, and it won't be an issue unless you make it one.

We don’t teach young children that men can be women if they say they are .
Priests being revered and given special privileges/ access to children led to terrible consequences.
Those of us that care about children don’t let them believe lies that present safeguarding risks

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:41

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/07/2025 11:40

Are any of those based on lies?

More false equivalency. Where’s my bingo card?

You can use mine if you want, you'll just have to cross out "forcing their views on others", "based on a lie" and "He's saying he's not a man" on it and replace it with your own favourite catchphrases.

Rockhopper3 · 04/07/2025 11:41

onehorserace · 04/07/2025 11:23

How do you know that? You don't know what this person chooses to wear.

What DOES non binary mean ?

LoztWorld · 04/07/2025 11:42

Christ taking your child out of school over this is terrible parenting on so many different levels

The kind of anecdote they will tell their shocked friends at a dinner party in adulthood, to underline how awful their parents were

PreetyinPurple · 04/07/2025 11:43

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 10:58

So if a divorced woman wants you to call them Ms, you'd tell them not to be so silly and pick miss or mister?

Teachers obviously have titles but in my experience in working in secondary for 10 years is all women just get called Miss. Especially in large schools where you don’t know all the staffs name, they are just ‘miss’. No one says ‘I’m married you must call me Mrs’. It’s just the language everyone used.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/07/2025 11:44

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:41

You can use mine if you want, you'll just have to cross out "forcing their views on others", "based on a lie" and "He's saying he's not a man" on it and replace it with your own favourite catchphrases.

I’m not sure you’re understanding how this bingo card works.

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 04/07/2025 11:44

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:34

Do you lot moaning that his ideas might permeate the skulls of your children not want gay teachers either? Or religious ones? Who can become a teacher?

Someone who believes in the Black Lives Matters movement? Are they OK? Pacifists? Someone who follows a particular political party?

Being gay is completely different to being non binary.
One is who you are sexually and romantically attracted to. The other is the belief you can be something entirely imaginary.

One is natural. The other is a sign of mental illness.

We have restrictions in our schools about the personal religious beliefs that a teacher can share. They would be strongly reprimanded.

Due to tiptoeing around this issue, the same does not apply to non binary or trans ideology.

And your other examples are just a ridiculous strawman.

LoztWorld · 04/07/2025 11:44

I don’t accept that nonbinary is a “real” thing either, but if it’s beyond you to teach your kids tolerance of others without suggesting they must wholeheartedly buy into their ideology then i dread to think what other simple day to day molehills you’re making into mountains

Rockhopper3 · 04/07/2025 11:45

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:03

Jesus Christ, what a reach of an opinion based on knowing zero about this human

But definitely knowing he will teach small children that a man isn’t a man ‘if he says so ‘

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:45

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:37

No. OP is

How do we know. She said "we've been told the teacher for next year is a non-binary/‘non-gender-conforming’ man" so surely we have to assume that is what she's been told.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:46

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:40

I dont know, I've never known a teacher in 21 years of parenting to ask a child to validate any of their ideologies. But you seem utterly adamant that this one ideology will be imposed on children, but no others.

Telling children to pretend men aren’t men, is not the same.

Being gay or black are not “ideologies”

Rockhopper3 · 04/07/2025 11:46

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:41

You can use mine if you want, you'll just have to cross out "forcing their views on others", "based on a lie" and "He's saying he's not a man" on it and replace it with your own favourite catchphrases.

False equivalency.

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:47

Rockhopper3 · 04/07/2025 11:45

But definitely knowing he will teach small children that a man isn’t a man ‘if he says so ‘

He hasn't claimed not to be a man. He literally just wants to be referred to as Mx X rather than Mr X. Not everyhting is a transgender issue requiring a pitchfork.

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:47

Rockhopper3 · 04/07/2025 11:46

False equivalency.

Perfect, I'll sharpie it on for you 😘

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:48

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:47

He hasn't claimed not to be a man. He literally just wants to be referred to as Mx X rather than Mr X. Not everyhting is a transgender issue requiring a pitchfork.

And why is he demanding to be referred to as Mx?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/07/2025 11:48

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:47

He hasn't claimed not to be a man. He literally just wants to be referred to as Mx X rather than Mr X. Not everyhting is a transgender issue requiring a pitchfork.

So what’s non-binary then?

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:50

@Mumble12
I’m struggling to tell if you’re really this naive or just using faux ignorance as a debate technique

TheWonderhorse · 04/07/2025 11:51

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 04/07/2025 11:48

And why is he demanding to be referred to as Mx?

Why are you using the word "demanding?" Why not "prefers to be called"? That's all we know.

Mumble12 · 04/07/2025 11:52

I personally think anyone religious has a screw loose. I could infer that people that believe in make believe deities in the sky can't be considered fit to teach children. But what someone believes only affects my child if they start preaching about it. Historically I have found far more 'push' from religious people than non binary people. So what I do, is not judge how other people live their life until it affects me.

However until this person steps foot in the classroom, there is no reason to think they're any more likely to push their own beliefs on anyone else.

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