Lifestyle Choices impacting on the NHS -Boiling my piss!!!!

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DH is currently on an NHS orthopaedics ward with around 7/8 other men.
He played 5 aside around 3 weeks ago , got bashed on the thigh and the bruise has spread and become hard and hot and painful, now infected and he needs it operated on due to risk of sepsis.

On the ward are 4 men 60 plus who have been involved in motorcycle accidents with legs in pins and have undergone several operations and been in hospital weeks ( 1 for months) as well as a young lad who was brought in yesterday following a cycling collision with another cyclist with his upper left side shattered. One other man was on a sponsored 3 peak running challenge (with a one man band scenario or such like ) and has shattered his ankle. Looking at an op tomo and a very long recuperation. yesterday a man left who had been in for three months after a skking accident with a broken hip that would not heal properly.

Am I unreasonable in thinking that with the NHS in the state it is at this current time that personal responsibility for lifestyle choices should be more of a consideration for all of us with the tax payer footing the bill for feckless and irresponsible behaviours.
It’s all avoidable surely , making better, healthier choices that do not willingly impact on limited resources.

Sports such as football, skiing, cycling, motorcross as well as mountaineering are risky to one’s health and people need to take personal responsibility.

Am I being unreasonable tax payers?

Do you include your husband?

Just as an aside, throat cancer is NOT always caused by HPV, as you imply here, there are many factors that can trigger it, including chemical or radiation exposure.

The NHS is under strain due to lifestyle choices, and generally people not understanding their end of the bargain. There is a push to focus on people looking after themselves first as the NHS won’t always be there to help. This has obviously started with making it clearer what a pharmacist can dispense / prescribe to avoid going to a GP. But we are a long way off from figuring out ED admissions.

It’s a major cause of throat cancer, didn’t say it was the sole cause. I stand by what I said.

You’re being ridiculous. The benefits of exercise far outweigh the disadvantages. Most people who do sports don’t end up in hospital all the time.

If people didn’t do any exercise, they would end up in hospital anyway because of poor health.

I don’t think people should be penalised for any lifestyle choices, whether that’s exercising, taking drugs or smoking. The NHS is there for all of us.

Going to a pharmacist first is no more looking after yourself than going to a gp - you are seeing a highly trained professional who can diagnose some things and then prescribe if necessary or send you to gp

My friend was sitting on his sofa reading, got up, foot went from under him, broken ankle.

Shall we add sitting and reading to the list of dangerous lifestyle choices?

Yes , some activities probably carry a higher risk of injury, but that doesn’t mean everyone who does them will end up in hospital, and probably far more overweight, inactive, unhealthy eating couch potatoes will eventually cost the NHS more with long term conditions like diabetes, toe and foot amputations, heart conditions, bowel cancer, COPD etc requiring both acute hospital care and home support.

I think there should be certain circumstances where you have to pay for treatment, but these should be limited to when you've refused cheaper preventative measures. For example, you refused to get a vaccine/ go for a regular smear test/ go on a stop smoking programme after you were advised to, and now you need treatment because of that.

I don't think you should be penalised because you are having difficulty stopping smoking/ drinking or losing weight even though you've engaged in the help offered to do those things.

It shouldn't even be a consideration for people doing exercise. All sports can result in injuries but the amount of money the NHS saves on people who exercise regularly being healthier physically and mentally outweighs the few that get injured.

I sort of agree with a system like this in the UK. I don’t know how it would work though and it would penalise active people. It also wouldn’t address the chronic levels of sickness due to unhealthy lifestyles (a lot of which is linked to poverty and ignorance). Ultimately the NHS needs a complete overhaul and we should be looking at European systems of healthcare. I doubt I will see change in my lifetime. The NHS is just a great big sacred cow to most of the British public despite a lot of it being shit.No government has the balls to tackle it.

Indeed.

I've been involved in NHS strategic planning, and believe me, its not people having accidents whilst engaged in healthy, physical activity that strategic planners are worried about in terms of pressures on the NHS. Instead, planners are worried about the cost of ill health caused by obesity, and type 2 diabetes. Planners are also worried by the cost of ever developing drugs and new treatments and more people being saved by developments in care (including increasingly premature babies surviving) but living with high care needs (that latter one is a concern for social care strategic planners).

There has actually been published research on this in terms of pedal cyclists and basically the savings due to health benefits outweigh the costs caused by accidents.

So YABU

This is a very annoying post to the edge of being offensive. What about obese oeople of those who smoke/do drugs? Alcoholics? Get a grip FFS.

Maybe you have a point, but I'm not sure people taking part in healthy pursuits should be the first target. What they cost in orthopaedics we'll save on diabetes etc. in the future. I expected you post to talk about fat smokers to be honest!

How is your husband any less “feckless and irresponsible.” How is a cyclist any less feckless and irresponsible than your football playing husband? Are you genuinely saying that CYCLING is feckless and irresponsible?

You’re absolutely unreasonable and this is surely a wind up.

I think this thread was started so that people then started attacking that demographic!

IMO

Maybe she has a point? 😂 Wtf

Well, a small iota. Perhaps if you are engaging in motocross or horse riding etc. private medical insurance might be a good idea. But not really for football and stuff.

Sitting on a motorbike isn’t going to make anyone healthy, it can’t be likened to cycling. I have done both.

@Treatedme The advancement in modern medicine is inadvertently destroying the NHS isn’t it. My Mother lived till she was almost 95, she asked me if I would assist her in ending it, I obviously refused but she lived for almost a decade longer than she should have.

I was going for appreciative.

Pretty much everything entails risk probably more so for most sports especially as we get older, even walking has risks. However the alternative is just to sit at home and do nothing and being sedentary is also for most people a lifestyle choice and one with great risks to health attached. Obviously I'd prefer people to be careful and not reckless when exercising but exercising also has huge benefits and probably saves the NHS money.

😂😂 I am absolutely loving the hypocrisy here! Maybe your DH shouldn’t make poor lifestyle choices by playing 5 a side 🤭

Doesn’t bother me, I’m waiting and have been for months in agonising pain for a shoulder replacement. This may partly be caused by typing thousands of letters in my working life perhaps causing RSI. This was after working for 20 odd years in the NHS! Lifestyle choice? I also broke my ankle some years ago falling off the kitchen step, I’ve avoided it ever since. (Joke).

If we accept anorexia is a disease, this means treatment on the NHS thereby surely obesity too?
If we accept addiction is a disease, this requires treatment on the NHS.
The NHS was set up to help with disease thereby we are all 'deserving'

Living is risky. You want everyone to stay sat on the sofa? That will kill everyone faster.

This is one of those arguments where the only way to please the OP is for everyone it lay down and die. It'a the most economical use of resources from a human.

My dad is one of the age 60+ men who rides a motorbike. He’s also a frequent blood biker, supporting the NHS by transporting urgent medical stuff using between a helipad/airport where they’ve been airlifted in, to the hospital that needs them (usually blood but he’s had a few organs required for transplant too). “Lifestyle choices” giveth as well as they taketh away from the NHS…