Lifestyle Choices impacting on the NHS -Boiling my piss!!!!

[Lardychops]

DH is currently on an NHS orthopaedics ward with around 7/8 other men.
He played 5 aside around 3 weeks ago , got bashed on the thigh and the bruise has spread and become hard and hot and painful, now infected and he needs it operated on due to risk of sepsis.

On the ward are 4 men 60 plus who have been involved in motorcycle accidents with legs in pins and have undergone several operations and been in hospital weeks ( 1 for months) as well as a young lad who was brought in yesterday following a cycling collision with another cyclist with his upper left side shattered. One other man was on a sponsored 3 peak running challenge (with a one man band scenario or such like ) and has shattered his ankle. Looking at an op tomo and a very long recuperation. yesterday a man left who had been in for three months after a skking accident with a broken hip that would not heal properly.

Am I unreasonable in thinking that with the NHS in the state it is at this current time that personal responsibility for lifestyle choices should be more of a consideration for all of us with the tax payer footing the bill for feckless and irresponsible behaviours.
It’s all avoidable surely , making better, healthier choices that do not willingly impact on limited resources.

Sports such as football, skiing, cycling, motorcross as well as mountaineering are risky to one’s health and people need to take personal responsibility.

Am I being unreasonable tax payers?

This is not what I expected this thread to be about. The more pressing issues are the affects of obesity, smoking and alcohol are having on our society but even then the NHS does not discriminate and it would be a slippery slope of where to draw the line.

The ironic thing is that your DH has an injury from a lifestyle choice just like the other people on the ward.

Pretty shit that even as your husband is at risk of sepsis and awaiting surgery you are ranting on here that his lifestyle choices ‘boil your piss’, what a lovely partner you are

When I saw the thread title, I thought you were going to refer to people who smoke, and or people who eat too much. In that case I’d have agreed with you.

But doing everyday sports etc, I voted YABU.

I do think people that do high risk / adrenaline activities are selfish (to their loved ones). But that’s a different matter.

What about people who have the cheek to be old and have age related illnesses and conditions, are they unreasonable as well?

I once got hit by a car cycling to work. I cycle to work because it keeps me fit (therefore preventing me using health services) and it is better for the environment (so those future tax payers have a planet to live on).

Maybe we should just ban cars to save the NHS?

What's "boiling your piss" is probably that your partner buggers off to football several times a week and now he's out of action leaving you to do everything.

Nearly all poor health outcomes are a lifestyle choice to some degree. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I was in hospital recently and a relatively high dependency ward after cancer surgery. Over the 4 days, various people cycled in through. One was there due to complications of diabetes. Another because she was having a mental health crisis because she came off her meds (a lifestyle choice!) and stabbed herself in the stomach. Two were there because of head injuries due to alcohol consumption, one of whom had tried to kill himself by jumping off a building. All lifestyle related really.

And then I was there because I have metastatic melanoma from sun damage. I’ve spent my entire adult life in the shade and wearing SPF 50 and never been on a sun and beach holiday where you lie around on a sun lounger in my life. But my parents were big sun worshipers and thought a tan was healthy. I was shoved out in the sun in SPF 8 (!!) as a child or sometimes just baby oil to give me a nice tan. I burnt regularly and badly. That’s a lifestyle choice that led to me getting cancer, but it wasn’t my own, because I was 5. When does it end?

How is your DHs ‘lifestyle choice’ any different ?

To be fair being really obese means a reduction in your life expectancy of approx 10 years, so you are unlikely to be stuck in a hospital bed for weeks, in your 80's/90's, whilst they try and find you a suitable care package.

Why haven’t you paid for your husband to go to a private hospital, with his footballing injury……. if you are so pissed at lifestyle choices clogging up NHS beds?

I can’t believe you’re angry at cyclists. Each person who chooses to cycle means there’s one less car driver on the road who is polluting and clogging up traffic.

Isn't everything a lifestyle choice (within reason, obviously not people with horrible diseases or sick kids) like my mum who was hospitalised for 6 months because she was hugely obese and never drank water which gave her really bad kidney stones (the obesity related health conditions she had killed her). Or me having a cesarean recently as I chose to go ahead with my surprise pregnancy at 42 which led to gestational diabetes and my son being breech

@Lardychops YABU and disingenuous.
This is just goady nonsense to start a debate about obesity and other human failings without saying it's about that and getting deleted.
1/10 and > hope people will stick to the topic the op has raised.

This is just dumb

I studied health economics and as part of that course we spent some of the time on resource allocation methods.The short response is that who ‘deserves’ to be treated or prioritized is just simply not an ethical route to go down. Healthcare is provided at the point of need. Whether you’re a rapist or a saint, eat healthily or are obese, took a risk and broke an arm or were injured by no fault of your own.

A grown man playing 5 aside is just as much taking a risk as a motorcyclist and caused his own injuries. Sporting injuries cost the NHS lots of money - should we all just stop playing sports?! Let’s not be ridiculous - by your logic we had better all stop driving, crossing the road and hide in a dark room. We need people comfortable with risk in everyday life otherwise who would climb up ladders, be a fireman, work on an oil rig.

I also work in healthcare and let me tell you - the odd accident is not crippling the NHS - it’s the rising elderly population, the rise of chronic conditions, obesity and all its complications, poverty, a lack of safe housing, poor air quality. Let’s fix those please and all lead better, healthier lives.

I am going to stop now as I am getting too cross at the multiple examples of stupidity, hypocrisy and entitlement in the OP.

Come on dudes.

From what you are saying, nobody who has a sporting accident should receive NHS treatment. How ridiculous, do you include school children in that? Is nobody ever supposed to do anything they enjoy in case they have an accident? Many of them will be tax payers. I am a tax payer and don't mind people being treated for anything, regardless of how it happened..

Yabu. Motorcyclists are actually excellent organ donors and therefore saving other lives even when their pastime ends in tragedy. As well as volunteering to transport emergency blood supplies. Let the motorcyclists have their fun. I wish I was brave enough to do it.

I'm sure I'll hurt myself running at some point 🤷‍♀️.

My son has just left an orthopedic ward following surgery after a motorcycle accident . There were a few other motorcycle accidents too. Half of all patients were elderly men with dementia , who'd had serious falls in care homes. Men who tried to get out of bed with broken legs, who repeatedly pulled catheters out, who racially abused and tried to attack nurses and other patients. Men who couldn't be discharged because their care package had ended and had to be reorganised. The motorcycle chaps were polite, helpful, and friendly to each other and the staff.

YABVU

Have you considered that perhaps your DHs Lifestyle Choices have had an impact in his recovery?
Does he smoke? Does he drink? Does he eat bacon butties?
Maybe if he was in a mega fit state he would’t have developed an infection instead of just a bruise…

Obviously you were in an orthopaedic ward, where most patients had horrible injuries, and you got this view. I get it.
Try to visit a gastric ward.

I agree. But motorcycling definitely isn’t exercise (in the vast majority of cases)…

I think it should be illegal to leave the house, now we can all WFH 😡

Living your life is a risk... anything could happen. If someone gets knocked down by a car when crossing the road, is that a lifestyle choice?

But your examples would discourage people from partaking in physical activity which would have a greater cost impact on the NHS.

I do think people need to take more autonomy for their health. The NHS also needs to listen to patients that do especially appreciating the tracking patients are doing of their own health too, this would allow for earlier and more evidence based interventions.

Someone will come along and say just leaving the house is a risk at this rate 🤣