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To think “chosen family” is a concept people use when they want loyalty without accountability?

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ByTealPeer · 24/06/2025 11:54

I get that some people have toxic relatives and need to create support systems. But I’ve also seen people use “chosen family” to build echo chambers where they expect unconditional support but offer very little reflection or accountability in return.

You can’t just collect people who always agree with you and call it family. That’s not loyalty - that’s curation. AIBU to think “chosen family” is sometimes just a way to make yourself feel righteous while avoiding hard conversations?

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/06/2025 18:29

Sskka · 24/06/2025 17:48

It’s more trying to get the mentality straight in my mind really. The way I think about it, if an institution has a set of core requirements then I wouldn’t think of myself as subverting it and reclaiming it, I’d see myself as building something else. But there’s definitely a trend towards that way of thinking, whether it’s ‘chosen family’, ‘same-sex marriage’, ‘trans women’, or whatever. Some of them catch on very successfully.

On the other hand, your post also suggested that the priority might be about rejecting any obligations that are imposed from without (or indeed at all), basically as a matter of principle. Hence the emphasis on ‘chosen’, or ‘liberated’.

Obviously it might be both, but they don’t necessarily go together and the starting-point seems quite different – the former would be subversive in favour of some other order, whereas the latter is at heart about hardcore individualism. Andrew Sullivan talks about debates about whether to push for gay marriage organising around those two poles. I was interested in what the driver might be for those supporting ‘chosen family’ as a concept.

I think it’s a little bit of all of it and the term Chosen Family™️ is going to be one of those terms that will mean different depending on who is using it.

I don’t think there is a movement behind the term that has meetings, websites or secret handshakes (although I could be wrong about that who knows what people are doing these days)

I think for most people it’s shortcut to describe a person or people. I mean people have been using phrases like Second Mum or Adoptive Mum forever without anyone accusing them of co-opting “mum”.

I don’t think you’re quite right by placing it in the category of your examples though.

‘chosen family’, ‘same-sex marriage’, ‘trans women’, or whatever.

Same-sex marriage is a thing that has real requirements… mainly being married to someone of the same sex in a legal or religious context.

trans woman/man - well this one has gotten fuzzy in recent years so will leave it with the ‘classic’ definition is a man or woman living as someone of the opposite sex.

Both of those have a pretty specific definition.

Chosen Family™️ I think is different as our collective definition of family has never been really agreed on. Yes, it typically means a bunch of people who are blood relatives. But that definition has been broadened so much that it’s not really all that definitive. Adoption, step relationships, surrogacy, donor eggs, foster situations, etc. and that’s just the things that can happen in a nuclear family. Add into that non traditional family relationships; grands raising grandchildren, auntie/uncle raising nieces and nephews, etc.

All of this to really just say I think you’re overthinking the term. At the end of the day it’s about people who aren’t related acting as a traditional family.

Sskka · 24/06/2025 21:12

Maybe so. But I happened to read this a moment ago and if you want to understand why some of us are think they’re deluding themselves by using the word ‘family’, you could do worse than read the last few paragraphs here: becomingnoble.substack.com/p/when-a-progressive-utopia-burned

saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/06/2025 21:35

Sskka · 24/06/2025 21:12

Maybe so. But I happened to read this a moment ago and if you want to understand why some of us are think they’re deluding themselves by using the word ‘family’, you could do worse than read the last few paragraphs here: becomingnoble.substack.com/p/when-a-progressive-utopia-burned

For those that don’t want to click and read the whole thing… it’s basically observations after the ‘91 wildfires. Most of it is about the roles played out by sex in the family with this disjointed bit at the end.

Credit the link quoted:
Another interesting detail is the rapidity with which long-forgotten family ties reasserted themselves, and local ‘friendships’ proved to be weaker than might have been assumed.

Oakland firestorm survivors had marched well into the brave new world of social alliances. Extended families had long given way to nuclear. Many nuclear families were broken down yet further, and most victims felt their closest ties lay with nonrelated friends…
But our new bonds, mere decades rather than millennia old, disclosed their lack of shared and culturally reinforced rules. Friendships bear no understood schedule of obligations, no course of expected action, no set of proscribed emotions… Friends did not, or could not, offer aid or comfort. Friends grew impatient, proved unsympathetic, disappeared.

But the salience of family - previously discounted by many progressives if there was ideological conflict within their own - returned swiftly and with great strength.

What were maintained for most were the links that lie more deeply rooted in our society: blood kinship ties. Like clans gathering, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, cousins arrived. Relatives sent family heirlooms. A cousin replaced my vaporized silver vase, a gift from my father’s long-dead, beloved cousin, with a creamer and sugarer of her mother’s, though her mother was not my blood kin. Siblings returned borrowed property, sent money, and took in children… Extended families, such as they were, embraced their own, stood up and were counted in both presence and presents.

The whole piece is worth a read. It’s a fascinating story if nothing else.
Make sure you have family close, and a spouse you can rely on.

Yeah this is a stretch… and one person’s or a small sample observation. Without reading the book this is quoted from. I’m picturing a very homogeneous sample who were coming from a place of privilege (for the record I hate that phrase but will use it as it’s pretty well understood). I mean if the author is worried about a creamer and sugerer after losing their house I’d call that privilege.

This sounds all rather hmm… trying to find the right word…contrived maybe? I’m going to go out on a limb here and imagine that local friends were in the same boat as the writer and didn’t have time to spare on silver vases.

Alltheyellowbirds · 24/06/2025 21:59

This is such a peculiar thread! I’m not sure why such an innocent term has been subjected to such a heavy analysis, or where all the conspiratorial talk of subversion comes from. Some people simply didn’t get lucky with their birth family, and seek connections elsewhere. It’s not a organised movement to undermine the traditional family unit.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 24/06/2025 22:04

Agreed @Alltheyellowbirds (I was going to be mad if I found out there was a movement or t-shirts 😁)

It’s also interesting to hear the perspective from @Sskka.

I’m really just trying to understand where she’s coming from. Mainly because it’s a really innocuous thing that is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 24/06/2025 22:25

KrisAkabusi · 24/06/2025 11:58

I've never heard the phrase "chosen family". But from what you're saying, isn't it just the same as having friends?

Seems big in YA fiction.

TBH it is I think more a close friendship group but if there actual family is bad some people want substitue and now we all need labels.

I've seen suggestions that it has sinister undertones - unsuitable people on-line suggesting to troubled youth they can leave their actual family behind and get a new exciting one with them - sort of seperating them from their support network/herd on some promise of better to pick them off and exploit their vunerablity . Not sure how much a concern that actually is.

Sskka · 24/06/2025 22:42

I’m not really sure what the thread is at this point, or why it would be me who’s the peculiar one. If there’s a new phenomenon insisting on taking the name of something it isn’t, surely that’s interesting? And it would be peculiar to be so insistent that there’s nothing very much worth interrogating here. We’ve seen that before.

Alltheyellowbirds · 24/06/2025 23:11

Sskka · 24/06/2025 22:42

I’m not really sure what the thread is at this point, or why it would be me who’s the peculiar one. If there’s a new phenomenon insisting on taking the name of something it isn’t, surely that’s interesting? And it would be peculiar to be so insistent that there’s nothing very much worth interrogating here. We’ve seen that before.

But there isn’t “a new phenomenon insisting on taking the name of something it isn’t”.

Firstly because it isn’t a new phenomenon, since the dawn of time people have organised themselves into social groups; family, friends, villages. Humankind is is hardwired to seek connections. If a person’s first family unit breaks down it is natural to want to build another rather than go through life feeling alone.

As to the actual term “Chosen Family”, I really can’t understand why it offends you so much. It’s not a term I use myself, but if other people do and it gives them comfort who cares? It describes a family that someone has chosen. Chosen Family. It is exactly what it says on the tin.

pinkdelight · 25/06/2025 00:23

Sskka · 24/06/2025 22:42

I’m not really sure what the thread is at this point, or why it would be me who’s the peculiar one. If there’s a new phenomenon insisting on taking the name of something it isn’t, surely that’s interesting? And it would be peculiar to be so insistent that there’s nothing very much worth interrogating here. We’ve seen that before.

You’re reading way too much into this. It’s not new, the name makes sense, there’s nothing weird going on and claiming that as proof that there must be something weird going on is… just weird, but not in any interesting way.

AliasGrace47 · 13/07/2025 04:21

Sskka · 24/06/2025 17:48

It’s more trying to get the mentality straight in my mind really. The way I think about it, if an institution has a set of core requirements then I wouldn’t think of myself as subverting it and reclaiming it, I’d see myself as building something else. But there’s definitely a trend towards that way of thinking, whether it’s ‘chosen family’, ‘same-sex marriage’, ‘trans women’, or whatever. Some of them catch on very successfully.

On the other hand, your post also suggested that the priority might be about rejecting any obligations that are imposed from without (or indeed at all), basically as a matter of principle. Hence the emphasis on ‘chosen’, or ‘liberated’.

Obviously it might be both, but they don’t necessarily go together and the starting-point seems quite different – the former would be subversive in favour of some other order, whereas the latter is at heart about hardcore individualism. Andrew Sullivan talks about debates about whether to push for gay marriage organising around those two poles. I was interested in what the driver might be for those supporting ‘chosen family’ as a concept.

So do you see gay marriage as 'hardwired individualist', 'subversive in favour of some other order' & the 'easy thing without the hard thing?' I'd be fascinated to hear your viewpoint...

AliasGrace47 · 13/07/2025 04:28

Moreover, do you oppose it? And if so, why?

AliasGrace47 · 13/07/2025 04:29

Sskka · 24/06/2025 15:40

It’s not the chosen part that’s the problem. Everyone agrees on that bit. But you can’t just call it a ‘family’ and thereby make it so.

Well, you choose your spouse, and by extension in-laws. Is that not choosing family?

AliasGrace47 · 13/07/2025 04:32

Sskka · 24/06/2025 13:10

To some extent, but that’s not the essence of it imo.

What it’s really about, like every other progressive idea is or becomes, is the idea that you can have the easy things in life without the difficult things. Families bring amazing support, but are also awkward things where people often don’t get along and make you do things you don’t always want to do? Simple, just collect some people you like and call that a family instead.

Hoe come actual families tend to be like that? Shhh, that’s not important right now. Probably colonialism somehow.

Marriages & close friendships, while chosen, also contain those elements, to varying degrees. No relationship is always going to involve getting on perfectly, and doing only things you 100% like, if it's worth its salt.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 13/07/2025 04:49

My family is awful and have hurt me repeatedly over many decades.

I’m pretty much NC with them now, and although it’s liberating and my life is much nicer, there’s still a void. I feel unmoored.

I have truly wonderful friends. I mean wonderful. Some of them have been around my whole life, and I just don’t know what life would be like without them.

But they’re not family. I wish they were, but they’re not.

I’m very sad that I was born into a family I can’t be around. It must be wonderful to have that sense of belonging.

PollyBell · 13/07/2025 04:52

To think it is up to other people to choose how they refer to others what right does anyone have to decide how people think feel or act?

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