Break in at Brize Norton two jets damaged

[justasking111]

I'm stunned that the base used by the prime minister, ministers, the royal family VIPs from overseas can be breached like this so easily.

Apparently by a Palestinian organisation.

We can't even defend on our own soil

"Two e-scooter riding pro-Palestine activists breach RAF Brize Norton and sabotage two... - LBC" https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/raf-planes-sabotaged-palestine-protesters-brize-norton-security-breach/

Stunts like this only serve to turn people away from the Palestine cause. Likewise the embarrassment of the global march for Gaza, where Egypt deported all the western saviour ‘activists’. This is not how you engender support for your cause.

It would be fascinating to know who is funding this group. Follow the money.

It doesn't cost a lot to take direct action - red paint and boiler suits aren't all that expensive - so most of their funds go towards supporting those who are arrested and charged (and sometimes imprisoned).
People have put on benefit gigs, done collections and set up online crowdfunders, for the most part.

An extremely unpleasant anti-American, anti-Israeli multi-millionaire backs the American wing of this group. I'm just wondering if foreign governments are funding their training camps and court cases. That group has weaponry. (It being the US.) I don't believe it's just about a bit of paint and a few scooters. It's more sinister than that.

Thank you for your compliment.
I work full time, am honest and don’t try and disrupt people going about their business. I didn’t go to boarding school and live off trust funds. I wouldn’t dream of vandalising aircraft which had been used in dropping aid in Gaza. If they had been shot then it’s their fault. I suggest these idiots go to the border and beg to be allowed to go and help in Palestine. That might earn respect.
lets be honest they wouldn’t do thst would they?

The trouble is that people like Putin, Kim and the ayatollahs haven't really got the message about promoting peace.

How would you feel if that plane were about to go on a mission to drop aid to Sudan? Or Yemen? And now can't because of this action? Or if it had harmed members of our military serving our country?

Interesting to see which part you are more stunned at.

Really, are you for real, you're not concerned that engines of jets had liquid sprayed into them and who knows what else? Are you concerned about what happens when engines fail? Unbelievable.

So you want more innocent people to be hurt on top of more. Have a word with yourself.

They were refuelling carriers could be helping the Ukrainian people. Well they would have been.

It can be made much harder, but it requires an investment up front. As you noted upthread, air bases are big. In the U.S., a 20 mile perimeter wouldn’t be unusual. You need technology to secure it effectively - CCTV systems, motion detection, infrared sensors, etc. And you need trained personnel on duty to react to alarms and patrol key areas.

Army bases have the same security challenges.

They sprayed red paint into the jets, so it's pretty bloody obvious the jets have been tampered with and will need a full check of their engines/systems before flying again.

Had they broken in and tampered with the jets without leaving vast amounts of red paint everywhere then left, YES! I'd be a lot more concerned.

It's a huge security issue.

Thankfully they left a fucking big red clue not to use the jets.

So NO I'm not concerned. The RAF technicians will go over the planes with a fine-toothed comb to check for damage before they start the engines/clear them for flight.

It's pretty obvious it's going to be more than a bucket of soapy water and a sponge.

HTH.

If caught and convicted of damaging a multi million pounds military asset ,I would imagine that's a jail sentence.

Re defence, has the cost of German Sheperds escalated? Old fashioned, but works well in situations like this.

...They do..if you have enough...

But it's not just dogs, you need handlers, and there's the costs involved in continued support for both.

It's too early for another diatribe from me, so lets just say the underlying problem here is that for 30 years plus the politicians of all political persuasions (and a lot of tax payers) have found defence spending unattractive and so, a few niche areas aside, a lot of HM Forces capabilities have been allowed to decay.

Recently I posted about the threat from drones to assets on military bases

Turns out you don't need drones, you just need to some wire cutters

The majority of the population of the world support the Palestinians having their own state and abhor this war so I don’t think anyone’s worried about changing the opinion of those who can watch two years of slaughter without even thinking about it

Some paint in the jet exhaust. That will get burnt off in 1 second. No one went in the planes nor damaged any control surfaces. Had they been real saboteurs it would have been different. It's costs tens of thousands to put one of those planes in the air so some thinners for the paint cost nothing. The fact that access to military assets was so easy is the real story. The head of security and the base commander are prob packing their bags today.

Could be a useful task for surplus XL bullies.

So you think it"s pretty trivial, just a case of burning fuel off a few turbine blades and exhaust components,.then slapping some thinners on some other parts of the airframe (some of components of which might not appreciate that..)?

There will be a bit of expensive work to do for sure, It"ll cost the defence budget but I'm sure HMG will want to demonstrate they can keep calm and carry on, so I don't think the aircraft will be down for too long.

BTW some of the comments about the Group Captain are starting to sound like blaming the victim...FWIW if she does "go" and the chain of command above her remains intact IMHO she will have been thrown under the bus by her superiors, and that includes some politicians.

Brings to mind the women of Seeds of Hope who disarmed a BAE Hawk warplane in 1996 which was bound for export to Indonesia for use in the illegally occupied East Timor.

We're complicit until we're not; there are ways in which we can all make it harder for our government to support oppressive and war-mongering regimes. Maybe criminal damage is outwith most people's realm of acceptability, but it doesn't mean we have to sit by and watch carnage unfold.

There may be some use for the North face/Nike brigade that tend to own such dog's.

TBH I'd be slightly more impressed if the vandals had actually gone after a fighter or similar, rather than trying to ground those aircraft that might be needed if there's a requirement to British nationals out of e.g Cyprus.

But going after an actual combat aircraft might have been a bit risky, especially at some bases....

Unfortunately it just illustrates the massive vulnerability of the UK. There simply isn’t the funding to secure our key sites
properly. More critically, it’s just not “British” to take these thing seriously. In other
countries they would have been shot dead for trespassing on a military base. Here everyone knows we are way too soft to put it simply. It would be incredibly easy for Russia to critically damage the UK if it ever came
to that.

Yes agree with you on that