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Glorifying double mastectomies - museum exhibition

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BristolW0man · 30/05/2025 14:17

Artwork on prominent display that glorifies double mastectomies - part of 'Gender Stories' exhibition. This in Bristol's free of charge museum, popular with families and school trips. All funded with the public purse via National Lottery and Arts Council England.

I don't think this should be on display for all to see (different if it's a separate area, but this is in the main hall of the museum) and I certainly don't think public money should be paying for it. AIBU?

https://x.com/JamesEsses/status/1928346229181739240

https://x.com/JamesEsses/status/1928346229181739240

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ForeverScout · 30/05/2025 22:13

Oh I read the whole thread then went back to the picture ... bit of a letdown really. I was expecting a graphic surgical photo instead of a cartoon that's easily explainable to kids in multiple ways depending on your own beliefs. You are loved is not a terrible message.

I would put this way down the list of my difficult to explain to kids moments - well below explaining slavery after stopping a kids movie where a black kid was beat up by a white man (Tom Sawyer), talking about rape when my 12yr old son asked why the girls got special self-defence classes, or that moment when my children were young and asking why everyone was crying and having to tell them someone had shot dead dozens of people in a terrorist attack in our country. Bringing them to a vigil (they asked to go) and placing flowers was among the most meaningful and terrible things we've ever done as a family.

This - no. Not even close. You can explain it with whatever your personal belief system is. Focus on the message. You are loved. I would personally add "regardless" but that's just me. How your kids walk away from that image is entirely up to you.

Unicorn34 · 30/05/2025 22:22

Delphinium20 · 30/05/2025 22:12

Of course you need to see it this way. If you don't, you'll have to face the fact you're in agreement with the mutilation of healthy bodies as treatment for mental illness or distress. I too am very close to young adults who claim Non-binary and Trans status and in no way do I accept this 'treatment' as a healthy way to address their pain. Their claimed identities are very clearly a maladaptive coping mechanism, not a way to stay alive despite that narrative that is fully proven false based on all collected evidence (Cass Report, and numerous other studies in different countries).

And I do everything I can to keep them from further harming their bodies because I love them more than I love my ego.

Thanks for your opinion. It's not mine though. I love the person who was in pain more than life itself. But I'm not going to argue - I just came on here to agree that a double mastectomy, for whatever reason, isn't art.

VexedOfKin · 30/05/2025 22:25

This exhibition has to be taken in context: the venue is situated in the busiest part of the city with a huge pedestrian footfall. On account of its location, it is extremely accessible and young families make regular visits part of their schedule -as well as a much-loved children's area, it houses permanent natural history and palaeontology exhibitions, as well as an impressive section on geology, Egyptology, oriental pottery and a cracking art gallery. People pop in off the street to use the cafe and conveniences.

The entrance hall is now dominated by an enormous mural and freize-style panel paintings on the upper levels along the same visual and ideological theme: "You are loved.", painted in situ by the artist. It is visually striking (stylised human forms in bright, flat block colours and repeating words in a flowing cursive font) and the message is compelling. The cheery approachable artist has been working on-site, accessible to the visiting public, including groups of children and young people from local schools prior to the official opening of the exhibition.

The issue, which is why the exhibition carries an age recommendation of 14+, is not necessarily this particular artist's work, but the contributions of other artists who are also participating in the collaborative exhibition 'Gendered Stories'. Bristol Museum and Art Gallery's own website provides a clear rationale and description of their vision and intent for the show and nobody who takes the trouble to check out the online blurb will be left with any doubt as to what to expect. Trouble is, in all my years of visiting the museum with my DC, I don't think I checked the website once, and I suspect this is likely true for many parents.

BristolW0man · 30/05/2025 22:33

VexedOfKin · 30/05/2025 22:25

This exhibition has to be taken in context: the venue is situated in the busiest part of the city with a huge pedestrian footfall. On account of its location, it is extremely accessible and young families make regular visits part of their schedule -as well as a much-loved children's area, it houses permanent natural history and palaeontology exhibitions, as well as an impressive section on geology, Egyptology, oriental pottery and a cracking art gallery. People pop in off the street to use the cafe and conveniences.

The entrance hall is now dominated by an enormous mural and freize-style panel paintings on the upper levels along the same visual and ideological theme: "You are loved.", painted in situ by the artist. It is visually striking (stylised human forms in bright, flat block colours and repeating words in a flowing cursive font) and the message is compelling. The cheery approachable artist has been working on-site, accessible to the visiting public, including groups of children and young people from local schools prior to the official opening of the exhibition.

The issue, which is why the exhibition carries an age recommendation of 14+, is not necessarily this particular artist's work, but the contributions of other artists who are also participating in the collaborative exhibition 'Gendered Stories'. Bristol Museum and Art Gallery's own website provides a clear rationale and description of their vision and intent for the show and nobody who takes the trouble to check out the online blurb will be left with any doubt as to what to expect. Trouble is, in all my years of visiting the museum with my DC, I don't think I checked the website once, and I suspect this is likely true for many parents.

That’s a very useful and accurate description of the museum, thanks @VexedOfKin

Very interesting that you describe the artist as cheery and approachable. I wonder if this would be the case if you reveal yourself to be what she calls a ‘terf’ - see pic of her in this post:

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Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 22:36

ForeverScout · 30/05/2025 22:13

Oh I read the whole thread then went back to the picture ... bit of a letdown really. I was expecting a graphic surgical photo instead of a cartoon that's easily explainable to kids in multiple ways depending on your own beliefs. You are loved is not a terrible message.

I would put this way down the list of my difficult to explain to kids moments - well below explaining slavery after stopping a kids movie where a black kid was beat up by a white man (Tom Sawyer), talking about rape when my 12yr old son asked why the girls got special self-defence classes, or that moment when my children were young and asking why everyone was crying and having to tell them someone had shot dead dozens of people in a terrorist attack in our country. Bringing them to a vigil (they asked to go) and placing flowers was among the most meaningful and terrible things we've ever done as a family.

This - no. Not even close. You can explain it with whatever your personal belief system is. Focus on the message. You are loved. I would personally add "regardless" but that's just me. How your kids walk away from that image is entirely up to you.

What a refreshing take.

You're right, this is hyped up to a way bigger deal than it actually is.

marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 22:45

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 22:09

That is your opinion.

If people feels the need to make the art, and other people feels the need to go and view it, then yes it needs to be seen.

You can't decide for everyone that they don't need to see it because you personally don't like it.

If a bunch of neoconservative rightwingers wanted to mount an exhibition to celebrate their “lived experience”, would you say the same?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 30/05/2025 22:48

Ddakji · 30/05/2025 21:47

Isn’t it astonishing that a forum aimed at mothers seems to have so many women happy with mentally ill young women being so failed that they end up amputating healthy body parts to calm their troubled minds. And for images celebrating that to on display for all, including children, to see.

The support this is getting makes for some of the most disturbing posts I’ve ever seen on MN.

We have no way of knowing who these posters are. Anybody can post here. Topics like this typically attract a sudden influx of unfamiliar names. It's noticeable that when there's a thread about yet another male claiming a trans identity who's been convicted of something unsavoury this doesn't happen.

Ddakji · 30/05/2025 22:50

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Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 22:53

marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 22:45

If a bunch of neoconservative rightwingers wanted to mount an exhibition to celebrate their “lived experience”, would you say the same?

Of course, as long as it didn't include any racism, prejudice or persecution as those things are illegal.

If neoconservative right wingers can pull that off let them have their art exhibition!

This art exhibition is not promoting hatred to other groups in society, it is a depiction of a lived experience. So really not sure where you got that wild comparison from with a group who's whole MO is hating people who aren't like them.

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 22:54

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I name change regularly as I share personal information when writing supportive posts in infertility and baby threads. Also on threads to do with my profession. It is both allowed and encouraged to protect anonymity.

You are a regular in FWR, clearly proud of your GC stance and posting history. You choose to use MN in a different way to me, so what?

Enough4me · 30/05/2025 23:03

It's such a shame that a museum would display images highlighting poor mental health behaviours to impressionable young people, as though it's something that is right to do. The style and colours are designed to attract children I'm sure.
It's already know to be socially contagious through schools.
Museums - leave those kids alone!

marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 23:06

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 22:53

Of course, as long as it didn't include any racism, prejudice or persecution as those things are illegal.

If neoconservative right wingers can pull that off let them have their art exhibition!

This art exhibition is not promoting hatred to other groups in society, it is a depiction of a lived experience. So really not sure where you got that wild comparison from with a group who's whole MO is hating people who aren't like them.

Well, there are plenty of American Christian rightwingers who believe that the natural state of women should be subservient to men, having babies, homeschooling and cooking and so on…that isn’t in itself offensive, but it’s a specific ideology that we might not agree with. But would you be happy with a celebratory exhibition of evangelical right wing views in the entrance of a municipal museum with families visiting? Maybe some evangelical Bible phrases painted around, and a mural with a big “you are loved by Jesus” and so on? And an exhibition upstairs with big photos of smiling tradwives serving raw milk to unvaccinated children and some commentary about the necessity of taking ivermectin and saying your prayers?

Or would you see that as proselytising, and pushing a specific kind of ideology that a museum — supposedly for everyone — shouldn’t really be doing?

There are plenty of parallels between gender ideology and other forms of religion, belief systems, or political ideologies. These are all part of people’s lived experience, but is it the purpose of a museum to platform these? There’s a big difference between art or exhibitions about lived experience, and adopting and/or politicising quite contentious beliefs.

Also — I’m politically left wing myself, but I don’t necessarily agree with all supposedly left wing political positions. But it must be admitted that the museum sector generally tends to be a left-leaning space/set of institutions. That being so, it might be comfortable to find exhibitions that one seems always politically in accordance with; but I don’t necessarily think that museum spaces should be politicised just because it happens to be a politics I might agree with. There’s a fine line between, say, an exhibition of 1960s Cuban political art, and a contemporary exhibition that goes beyond interrogating the world and into proselytising for ideologies that may well be damaging.

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 23:13

marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 23:06

Well, there are plenty of American Christian rightwingers who believe that the natural state of women should be subservient to men, having babies, homeschooling and cooking and so on…that isn’t in itself offensive, but it’s a specific ideology that we might not agree with. But would you be happy with a celebratory exhibition of evangelical right wing views in the entrance of a municipal museum with families visiting? Maybe some evangelical Bible phrases painted around, and a mural with a big “you are loved by Jesus” and so on? And an exhibition upstairs with big photos of smiling tradwives serving raw milk to unvaccinated children and some commentary about the necessity of taking ivermectin and saying your prayers?

Or would you see that as proselytising, and pushing a specific kind of ideology that a museum — supposedly for everyone — shouldn’t really be doing?

There are plenty of parallels between gender ideology and other forms of religion, belief systems, or political ideologies. These are all part of people’s lived experience, but is it the purpose of a museum to platform these? There’s a big difference between art or exhibitions about lived experience, and adopting and/or politicising quite contentious beliefs.

Also — I’m politically left wing myself, but I don’t necessarily agree with all supposedly left wing political positions. But it must be admitted that the museum sector generally tends to be a left-leaning space/set of institutions. That being so, it might be comfortable to find exhibitions that one seems always politically in accordance with; but I don’t necessarily think that museum spaces should be politicised just because it happens to be a politics I might agree with. There’s a fine line between, say, an exhibition of 1960s Cuban political art, and a contemporary exhibition that goes beyond interrogating the world and into proselytising for ideologies that may well be damaging.

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I quite simply don't see a self portrait of a trans man, a depiction of a lived experience, as promoting a political ideology. They aren't recruiting or telling women to do it FFS. They are telling their story.

Getting worked up about the phrase "you are loved" (regardless of who you are being the implication) is astonishing. It's about as positive and inoffensive as it gets.

As a staunch atheist a painting of jesus saying jesus loves you doesn't offend me in the slightest. I am also not offended when religious people pray for me. Why one earth would I be!? They're sending me positive and well wishes, how the hell can you get offended about that!?

Maddy70 · 30/05/2025 23:15

I've had a mastectomy why can't it be art? Everything can be

Enough4me · 30/05/2025 23:16

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 23:13

I quite simply don't see a self portrait of a trans man, a depiction of a lived experience, as promoting a political ideology. They aren't recruiting or telling women to do it FFS. They are telling their story.

Getting worked up about the phrase "you are loved" (regardless of who you are being the implication) is astonishing. It's about as positive and inoffensive as it gets.

As a staunch atheist a painting of jesus saying jesus loves you doesn't offend me in the slightest. I am also not offended when religious people pray for me. Why one earth would I be!? They're sending me positive and well wishes, how the hell can you get offended about that!?

It's not a lived experience of needed medical treatment. It's mental health untreated. It's what happens when a person with dysphoria doesn't have the help to love their body and their full being. It's sad and young people should not be encouraged to feel so despondent to join in. We wouldn't encourage anorexia, self-harm etc.

Enough4me · 30/05/2025 23:17

Maddy70 · 30/05/2025 23:15

I've had a mastectomy why can't it be art? Everything can be

That was needed treatment, not mental health untreated.

VexedOfKin · 30/05/2025 23:24

@BristolW0man Yikes, wtf?! Honestly, I had to do a site visit prior to the exhibition's commencement (thus seeing the artist suspended halfway up a wall, painting away while merrily chatting to members of the public -hence 'jolly and approachable') and throw a cursory glance at the online presence of some of the artists involved, and I definitely didn't find this! However, what I did see influenced a professional recommendation I made subsequently, and it seems I made a sound call. Thanks.

marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 23:25

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 23:13

I quite simply don't see a self portrait of a trans man, a depiction of a lived experience, as promoting a political ideology. They aren't recruiting or telling women to do it FFS. They are telling their story.

Getting worked up about the phrase "you are loved" (regardless of who you are being the implication) is astonishing. It's about as positive and inoffensive as it gets.

As a staunch atheist a painting of jesus saying jesus loves you doesn't offend me in the slightest. I am also not offended when religious people pray for me. Why one earth would I be!? They're sending me positive and well wishes, how the hell can you get offended about that!?

So you think for example, if you popped into the local museum and there was a big mural of happy people and “Jesus loves you”, and then you find out it is sponsored by a right-wing Christian group with links to some dodgy financial practices in the US and so on, you’d still be happy with the happy mural? Because I think that others definitely wouldn’t; and there would be an outcry about how colonising, appropriating, inappropriate, offensive it was, from people all over the cultural sector.

Yet if it’s in the context of a supposedly progressive ideology, it’s fine?

Anything can be turned into art, but is this exhibition actually neutral, or is it in favour of a specific ideological position on gender? I’ll bet it’s the latter.

I’m not fond of double standards on politicising art. Gender ideology isn’t just like anti-racism: in itself it’s highly contentious and not clearly progressive at all (and with documented medical harms). It might well be the place of art to interrogate that. But that shouldn’t be the same as evangelising for it, which is what this exhibition seems to be doing.

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 23:59

marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 23:25

So you think for example, if you popped into the local museum and there was a big mural of happy people and “Jesus loves you”, and then you find out it is sponsored by a right-wing Christian group with links to some dodgy financial practices in the US and so on, you’d still be happy with the happy mural? Because I think that others definitely wouldn’t; and there would be an outcry about how colonising, appropriating, inappropriate, offensive it was, from people all over the cultural sector.

Yet if it’s in the context of a supposedly progressive ideology, it’s fine?

Anything can be turned into art, but is this exhibition actually neutral, or is it in favour of a specific ideological position on gender? I’ll bet it’s the latter.

I’m not fond of double standards on politicising art. Gender ideology isn’t just like anti-racism: in itself it’s highly contentious and not clearly progressive at all (and with documented medical harms). It might well be the place of art to interrogate that. But that shouldn’t be the same as evangelising for it, which is what this exhibition seems to be doing.

Good lord! Free speech is thankfully protected in this country. You can't just shut people up because they have views you don't like. Religious freedom. Freedom of self expression. Freedom of bodily autonomy.

How on earth is a self portrait of a trans man evangelising!?! Get a grip of yourself!

I can disagree with the fundamentals of a religion, which I do btw, and still appreciate a painting. I've appreciated many jesus statues and paintings as well as the virgin Mary and been blessed by a priest all without bursting into flames despite being very anti church in my personal beliefs. I enjoy the beautiful Eid celebrations and art and have joined in with saying "peace be upon him" and wishing people a happy Eid and Eid Mubarak despite findinf a lot of the ideas in islam offensive. You can disagree with something without demanding it be removed from public viewing you know.

It's ironic because quite regularly on the FWR board posters complain about being cancelled for GC "beliefs" yet here they are wanting an art exhibition cancelled. Brilliant.

Like I said. I don't find self portraits of lived experiences to be political propaganda. They are not recruiting. They are telling their story. Everyone has a right to tell their story and be seen.

Silverbelles · 31/05/2025 00:02

Enough4me · 30/05/2025 23:16

It's not a lived experience of needed medical treatment. It's mental health untreated. It's what happens when a person with dysphoria doesn't have the help to love their body and their full being. It's sad and young people should not be encouraged to feel so despondent to join in. We wouldn't encourage anorexia, self-harm etc.

There is art of all of these things displayed in public galleries.

Displaying art of peoples experiences isn't encouraging others to join in FFS!

Enough4me · 31/05/2025 00:03

Next it will be a wall with cartoon characters with ribs visible through skin to celebrate anorexia?
If you cannot treat dysphoria easily just create a cult and advertise it to sign vulnerable people up?

marshmallowpuff · 31/05/2025 00:09

Very hyperbolic, but no-one is suggesting it be “cancelled”! You know quite as well as we all do that there are certain views and ideologies that don’t get platformed or exhibited in museums. Yet others do. Why? Because some fit in with the “progressive” views of the day, and others don’t. Free speech is a great thing, of course, but there is plenty of speech that museums won’t go remotely near. (And free speech of course never means you have a right to be platformed, just not to be censored or punished by the state.) A museum wouldn’t put an exhibition on about suicide or self-harm which implied that this was a good thing; so why in this case?

As I said - I’m politically left wing, but I also can see the biases in the cultural sector towards certain ideologies which are favoured over others. I think it’s a shame that this museum has chosen to present self-mutilation as desirable. That doesn’t mean I’m agitating outside, or calling for it to be shut down or censored, as you seem to think.

VexedOfKin · 31/05/2025 00:14

@ForeverScout the issue with the exhibition isn't really the large mural and panels painted by this particular artist -"You are loved" is a beautiful sentiment in most contexts, you're right. However, this work sits within a larger conglomerate of pieces curated by Bristol Museum and Art Gallery as part of the Gender Stories exhibition, the explanation of which, on their very public website, leaves little room for misinterpretation; it is an open invitation to explore gender identity, sex and sexuality. The idea of 'gender' is -problematically, in my view- presented as a fait accompli; this runs entirely counter to professional guidance in my job.

ForeverScout · 31/05/2025 00:29

Allow me to introduce myself (though why people would think they could possibly know every username out of the hundreds of thousands on MN is beyond me ... )

I only post sporadically, as usually I start and then resolve that internet arguments are pointless waste of time and energy. So I'm not a "regular" per se, though I do keep tabs on AIBU, a habit formed during late night feeds with babies to keep myself awake.

I am on the fence with trans issues. My general philosophy - in everything, choose compassion. Also, someone else's body is none of my business. DS has a very close friend who is trans so we've had many open and nuanced discussions in our house about this.

I am in support of trans people living their lives without interference. This includes - should they wish - altering their bodies once they are of sufficient age and wellness to make that decision. I do not think this is always a terrible decision, for some it can be really positive. For others it's not appropriate. That decision is down to the individual and their doctors. I do think it needs to be approached with caution and full awareness and consideration of mental health issues and alternative treatments. We should be encouraging holistic care and not one size fits all.

As a cis-woman I am ambivalent toward my own breasts. They've done their job now, have a decent likelihood of trying to kill me later, and are entirely too big which causes literal physical pain and a certain subset of males to treat me like a pornstar. Clothes never fit, swimwear is obscenely expensive, and they get in the way while driving. I have been tempted to get rid of them on occasion - I'm too scared of surgery to actually do it - but if I chose to it would be entirely my own business. It's not some great crisis and I don't think my femaleness hinges on them. It's weird that people are so proud of and attached to a body part to the degree they'd insist others keep theirs. The battle over control of breasts continues.

For me the idea of transwomen in the bathroom pales in comparison to the thought of women having to look "female enough" to use the toilet. If I was a braver person I would dress as unfemale as possible, somehow hide the aforementioned breasts, and dare people to challenge me entering the female toilet. I have always detested gender stereotypes and the assumption that girls should look a certain way or like certain things. I also have a healthy fear of what cismen would do given the sanctioned moral imperative to "protect women". I grew up evangelical, I am well aware of what that looks like.

I do have concern over some males having access to female spaces - certainly female prisons should have no penises present and I extend that to the guards and prison staff - and rape by a transwoman should always be recorded as a male crime. That said I have concern over some males being anywhere in this world, all my bad experiences have been with cis-het males in public spaces.

DS's trans friend has been threatened with rape specifically because he is trans multiple times. In DS's school there have been several incidents where girls with flat chests and boys who are slight and have baby faces have been hounded to 'prove' their sex by showing their genitals, and yes, assaulted by other children attempting to 'out' them by grabbing genitalia. This isn't happening in a vacuum, the rise in such incidents coincided with political leadership headlining transphobia as an election tactic.

Both extremes are problematic in my view. We would do well to not be so so certain of our rightness and the other's evilness, that leads to terrible things. We should be as worried about our children absorbing controlling, dominating beliefs and behaviours towards other people's bodies, and fear of those bodies, as we are about social contagion of gender dysphoria. Both are damaging.

You are loved .... yes. Absolutely. Always. Regardless. Have the conversations with your kids, don't be afraid of them.

Enough4me · 31/05/2025 00:38

ForeverScout · 31/05/2025 00:29

Allow me to introduce myself (though why people would think they could possibly know every username out of the hundreds of thousands on MN is beyond me ... )

I only post sporadically, as usually I start and then resolve that internet arguments are pointless waste of time and energy. So I'm not a "regular" per se, though I do keep tabs on AIBU, a habit formed during late night feeds with babies to keep myself awake.

I am on the fence with trans issues. My general philosophy - in everything, choose compassion. Also, someone else's body is none of my business. DS has a very close friend who is trans so we've had many open and nuanced discussions in our house about this.

I am in support of trans people living their lives without interference. This includes - should they wish - altering their bodies once they are of sufficient age and wellness to make that decision. I do not think this is always a terrible decision, for some it can be really positive. For others it's not appropriate. That decision is down to the individual and their doctors. I do think it needs to be approached with caution and full awareness and consideration of mental health issues and alternative treatments. We should be encouraging holistic care and not one size fits all.

As a cis-woman I am ambivalent toward my own breasts. They've done their job now, have a decent likelihood of trying to kill me later, and are entirely too big which causes literal physical pain and a certain subset of males to treat me like a pornstar. Clothes never fit, swimwear is obscenely expensive, and they get in the way while driving. I have been tempted to get rid of them on occasion - I'm too scared of surgery to actually do it - but if I chose to it would be entirely my own business. It's not some great crisis and I don't think my femaleness hinges on them. It's weird that people are so proud of and attached to a body part to the degree they'd insist others keep theirs. The battle over control of breasts continues.

For me the idea of transwomen in the bathroom pales in comparison to the thought of women having to look "female enough" to use the toilet. If I was a braver person I would dress as unfemale as possible, somehow hide the aforementioned breasts, and dare people to challenge me entering the female toilet. I have always detested gender stereotypes and the assumption that girls should look a certain way or like certain things. I also have a healthy fear of what cismen would do given the sanctioned moral imperative to "protect women". I grew up evangelical, I am well aware of what that looks like.

I do have concern over some males having access to female spaces - certainly female prisons should have no penises present and I extend that to the guards and prison staff - and rape by a transwoman should always be recorded as a male crime. That said I have concern over some males being anywhere in this world, all my bad experiences have been with cis-het males in public spaces.

DS's trans friend has been threatened with rape specifically because he is trans multiple times. In DS's school there have been several incidents where girls with flat chests and boys who are slight and have baby faces have been hounded to 'prove' their sex by showing their genitals, and yes, assaulted by other children attempting to 'out' them by grabbing genitalia. This isn't happening in a vacuum, the rise in such incidents coincided with political leadership headlining transphobia as an election tactic.

Both extremes are problematic in my view. We would do well to not be so so certain of our rightness and the other's evilness, that leads to terrible things. We should be as worried about our children absorbing controlling, dominating beliefs and behaviours towards other people's bodies, and fear of those bodies, as we are about social contagion of gender dysphoria. Both are damaging.

You are loved .... yes. Absolutely. Always. Regardless. Have the conversations with your kids, don't be afraid of them.

Nothing in your post was on the fence.