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Glorifying double mastectomies - museum exhibition

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BristolW0man · 30/05/2025 14:17

Artwork on prominent display that glorifies double mastectomies - part of 'Gender Stories' exhibition. This in Bristol's free of charge museum, popular with families and school trips. All funded with the public purse via National Lottery and Arts Council England.

I don't think this should be on display for all to see (different if it's a separate area, but this is in the main hall of the museum) and I certainly don't think public money should be paying for it. AIBU?

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ThisCraftyHelper · 30/05/2025 20:02

BristolW0man · 30/05/2025 19:58

It’s not an art gallery, it’s a museum that is very popular with families - has a play area etc.

Please read the OP.

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Well you’re being pedantic. Art gallery and museum. Similar things. But yes I doubt many young girls are going to them either.

petermaddog · 30/05/2025 20:05

we started tattoos on breasts made it more easier to deal with many gorgous tats
the man that did the ones i didnot have to do he married her and started business doing this if too poor do it for free also other tattoos,lip cancer built a new lip. built nipples illusions but they work well.illusions any scars coverups
one friend is on my couch she is one of those ladies she had a doulb freaked for a month till i showed what we could do

Tatemoderndrawyourown · 30/05/2025 20:11

ThisCraftyHelper · 30/05/2025 20:02

Well you’re being pedantic. Art gallery and museum. Similar things. But yes I doubt many young girls are going to them either.

What a bore. Museums have families in them all the time. Go to the British, the natural history, the Tate modern, the Manchester museum (the ones I frequent most often) it’s impossible to not see children/young people. It’s hilarious that you now are an expert on how many girls experience art.

Dontcrymysweetpotato · 30/05/2025 20:23

The exhibition has a recommended age of 14+ so the museum is not aiming it at young girls. If a parent is taking their child to the exhibition then their home environment is likely to be pro-trans anyway, unless you're suggesting someonemight be confused about the content of an exhibition called Gender Stories. Parents can make their own choices. Teens who are in the museum alone can make their own choices.

DontTouchRoach · 30/05/2025 20:25

It’s a depiction, not a celebration.

Do you think Van Gogh’s self portrait with his ear bandaged is a celebration of self-harm? Or do you think it’s simply a picture of a thing that happened?

Nothungrycat · 30/05/2025 20:26

I live in the area - I haven't seen the exhibition yet, but am familiar with the space. It is in the public area of a museum/art gallery which is frequently visited by families - who might just be coming in to see non-art stuff, or to use the loos and the cafe. If it was in a specific gallery area then that would be absolutely fine - that's the way it used to work, with content flagged up on the door. People could then decide whether to enter/bring their children in.

Sausagenbacon · 30/05/2025 20:34

Yes, it has a decent cafe, and you walk past that vile picture to reach it.

ThisCraftyHelper · 30/05/2025 20:41

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BristolW0man · 30/05/2025 20:45

DontTouchRoach · 30/05/2025 20:25

It’s a depiction, not a celebration.

Do you think Van Gogh’s self portrait with his ear bandaged is a celebration of self-harm? Or do you think it’s simply a picture of a thing that happened?

Fair challenge, but as others have said, where are the depictions of male groins with their penises chopped off?

Where are the depictions of the pain of regret felt by detransitioners?

Where are the depictions of the money being made by private clinics performing these (often poorly performed IMO ) unnecessary operations?

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marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 20:48

@ThisCraftyHelper I’ve always taken my DD to museums and art galleries. She’s good at art at school and interested in history. It’s something lots of families do, and most museums have lots of family and child-oriented activities. I haven’t been to a museum in decades that doesn’t?

BristolW0man · 30/05/2025 20:49

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I fear you have just succumbed to Godwin’s law. That’s embarrassing.

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ThatNimblePeer · 30/05/2025 20:54

Are you equally careful to make sure young girls aren’t exposed to images of women who have had an elective breast augmentation, I.e. cutting open their breasts and putting potentially harmful silicone in to appear extra appealing to men? Shall we ban all bus posters etc of the Kardashians?

marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 20:56

Dontcrymysweetpotato · 30/05/2025 20:23

The exhibition has a recommended age of 14+ so the museum is not aiming it at young girls. If a parent is taking their child to the exhibition then their home environment is likely to be pro-trans anyway, unless you're suggesting someonemight be confused about the content of an exhibition called Gender Stories. Parents can make their own choices. Teens who are in the museum alone can make their own choices.

14 year old girls are young girls?

Plus they are the prime age for social contagions and anxieties about their bodies, eating disorders, etc.

I agree OP that it’s tastelessly glorifying something that for many women with breast cancer is a traumatic medical necessity, and celebrating a highly contentious ideology is a form of propagandist art.

Would all the “art is meant to be shocking” posters on this thread feel the same about, say, a museum having a celebratory exhibition about anti-vax ideology? Complete with quotes and material from Andrew Wakefield and Robert Kennedy about how being antivax is a progressive anti-establishment political movement? And if you wouldn’t find that okay, why not? And why is the ideology of body mutilation for girls any different to that?

ThisCraftyHelper · 30/05/2025 21:01

BristolW0man · 30/05/2025 20:49

I fear you have just succumbed to Godwin’s law. That’s embarrassing.

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I’m not embarrassed at all. I stand by what I said. It’s embarrassing to try and police content what you don’t agree with or believe in under the guise of “but what about the children” and unfortunately for you the UK is not a dictatorship.

crochetblankie · 30/05/2025 21:01

Maybe you should go. Sounds like you might learn something to open your mind about this issue.
Thanks for letting us know though, I'm tempted, sounds great

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 21:14

marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 20:56

14 year old girls are young girls?

Plus they are the prime age for social contagions and anxieties about their bodies, eating disorders, etc.

I agree OP that it’s tastelessly glorifying something that for many women with breast cancer is a traumatic medical necessity, and celebrating a highly contentious ideology is a form of propagandist art.

Would all the “art is meant to be shocking” posters on this thread feel the same about, say, a museum having a celebratory exhibition about anti-vax ideology? Complete with quotes and material from Andrew Wakefield and Robert Kennedy about how being antivax is a progressive anti-establishment political movement? And if you wouldn’t find that okay, why not? And why is the ideology of body mutilation for girls any different to that?

How on earth would you make anti Vax art? 🙄

ThisCraftyHelper · 30/05/2025 21:19

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 21:14

How on earth would you make anti Vax art? 🙄

Well if you research there’s quite a lot. But there you go

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marshmallowpuff · 30/05/2025 21:21

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 21:14

How on earth would you make anti Vax art? 🙄

I’ve seen plenty of exhibitions about ideological art, history of medicine, social history etc. Why do you think you couldn’t have an anti-vax exhibition?

How do you make “mastectomy art”?

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 21:23

ThisCraftyHelper · 30/05/2025 21:19

Well if you research there’s quite a lot. But there you go

I wouldn't call political cartoons art any more than I would Tracy Emin throwing dirty knickers on an unmade bed to be honest.

Ddakji · 30/05/2025 21:24

ThisCraftyHelper · 30/05/2025 20:02

Well you’re being pedantic. Art gallery and museum. Similar things. But yes I doubt many young girls are going to them either.

The galleries and museums near me are rammed full of families children, young teens with their friends.

This is normalising extreme self harm.

Would you be fine with naked bodies covered in other self harm scars on display like this!

(Ive seen a number of photos of very young women who’ve have their breasts sliced off and it’s not uncommon to be able to see all the other self harm scars they’re covered in.)

These young women are being utterly failed.

Ddakji · 30/05/2025 21:24

I’m going to stick me neck and and say that anyone who is fine with this is amoral at the very least if not outright evil.

ThisCraftyHelper · 30/05/2025 21:27

Silverbelles · 30/05/2025 21:23

I wouldn't call political cartoons art any more than I would Tracy Emin throwing dirty knickers on an unmade bed to be honest.

Well you have kind of proved point that art is subjective haven’t you.

BoredZelda · 30/05/2025 21:28

BristolW0man · 30/05/2025 18:29

I am not against children seeing ‘shocking’ bodies or images per se (though I am in favour of eg the Holocaust section at Imperial War Museum having a recommended minimum age rating).

What I am against is trans ideology being celebrated, especially in this environment where children are visiting. ‘Trans’ is part of a contested belief system that has no basis in science, instead appealing to outdated stereotypes. It harms women and children especially.

So don’t bring your kids there. 🤷‍♀️ Not everything is about you.

ARainyNightInSoho · 30/05/2025 21:29

petermaddog · 30/05/2025 20:05

we started tattoos on breasts made it more easier to deal with many gorgous tats
the man that did the ones i didnot have to do he married her and started business doing this if too poor do it for free also other tattoos,lip cancer built a new lip. built nipples illusions but they work well.illusions any scars coverups
one friend is on my couch she is one of those ladies she had a doulb freaked for a month till i showed what we could do

What?

ThisCraftyHelper · 30/05/2025 21:30

Ddakji · 30/05/2025 21:24

The galleries and museums near me are rammed full of families children, young teens with their friends.

This is normalising extreme self harm.

Would you be fine with naked bodies covered in other self harm scars on display like this!

(Ive seen a number of photos of very young women who’ve have their breasts sliced off and it’s not uncommon to be able to see all the other self harm scars they’re covered in.)

These young women are being utterly failed.

Well I’ve seen self harm scars on people in real life, so no I wouldn’t be alarmed. Some people think tattoos, piercings and body modifications are self harm. So what’s the difference?

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