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To kick DP's brother out

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Penelope55 · 24/05/2025 18:00

Apologies in advance as this will be a long one — but need to properly explain the details to get some much-needed advice! I am not a mum yet but love mumsnet and can't think of anywhere better to get some impartial advice — totally ready to hear that I am BU.

So here is what happened: DP and I (both in our 20's) have lived for 3 years in a 3-bedroom house in a very sought-after area. We each have our own bedroom in the upstairs floor as I usually need to study and work well into the night and need my own space (I also often have family and friends overnight). On a different floor there is a completely independent room with a large terrace and an en-suite bathroom. Throughout the years we have always lived with friends renting that room and have always had a very fun, lively envoirement as we are not couple-y at all and enjoy sharing the flat. Recently, there were some huge probelems with the flat (ceilings etc) which meant a renovation was needed and our dear friend had to move out. Me and DP came to an agreement with our landlord and have carried out these renovations in exchange for a reduced rent. This means the contract is now under our name with a clause which allows subletting and we also have a very very good rent for a 3 bed flat in our area. Whilst we can afford the new rent just us two, we always thought of getting someone else to rent the downstairs room but were in no rush and were hoping a friend would move in a few months.

A few months ago, DP's brother got a job in our city and asked DP if he could move in. We were very happy and immediately said yes. Because he is family, we also agreed on a very low rent, so we shared with him our discount (which we got only through investing thousands in the flat) and gave up the really nice room and terrace as well as one of the bathrooms (the largest one in the flat). This was no issue at all and we were so happy to have him! We got on really well and had some great times. Fast forward around a month and he meets a girl, let's call her B. After going on a couple of dates it gets more serious and she comes over to spend the weekend as she lives in a different part of the country: she is lovely and we all get along. Obviously, she can stay over as much as she wants. One week after this, she gets a temporary job in town and asks if she can stay. DP's brother 'asks' by saying 'B will be staying for a couple of weeks, could be a month because of a job, I'm assuming that's okay?'. For us it was no problem at all since it was temporary. She moved in and started the job which lasted 5 weeks. After the 1st week they started officially dating and by the end of it, it became very clear that she had no intention of leaving and that she was looking for a permanent job in town. They never asked us if she could stay, but did say they would like to talk about rent. She said she didn't want to have the obligation to pay rent until she found a job. We should have seen the red flags (there were others, like requesting we don't use the living room one day so they could have a romantic breakfast) but we didn't and agreed she could pay no rent for another month and then start paying a very small amount (mostly bills) from the third month onwards until she found a job. The catch is she never found one (or really looked for one at all!). She wanted a job in a very hard to get into creative industry, but she has no experience and a degree from years ago (DP works in this industry) and she wouldn't take anything else. I offered to give her my babysitting contacs or put a word in for her in a café and she refused. She said she didn't want to take any part-time work until she found her dream job (keep in mind she has never worked in this industry after university and was working in a cafe before she moved in with us).

DP got fed up with everything and had a chat with his brother asking what she is doing and basically ended up blurting out that she was taking advantage of everyone. This is not how I would have gone about it and it was absolutely the wrong way to approach the subject but, in fairness, it was a brother to brother sort of comment. DP's brother immediately told B, who locked herself in her room and didn't come out for the rest of the day and night. I had a chat with DP and we called a flat meeting the next day in which DP profusely apologised to B, explained himself and all around made amends. We all agreed to move on, accept apologies and get along.

The problem is that ever since this happened they have been ignoring us, eat every meal in their room, come out of the room only when we are out... This is especially B as when she is away we all have dinner and have lovely times. This has made me so incredibly anxious in my own home and I feel a sense of dread everytime I go down the stairs to the common floor. I attempted a conversation and all she asked me was for details of when we will be away. They have also gone for a holiday and left their terrace door open (street facing) as well as kitchen knives outside which was so dangerous as we only caught it a couple days later and have left the kitchen very messy when we were away (we are both very clean and tidy but happy to compromise within reason, we never negged them and do most of the cleaning, we just ask that they clean up after themselves). I don't know what to do but we just want to kick them (or her) out! Especially as we never agreed to live with B! We just feel so unwelcome in our own home and this has really taken a toll on my wellbeing especially as I am studying for very important exams and finishing my dissertation alongside working. What should we do? Would really appreciate some advice as we ultimately don't want to cause any issues in the family.

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ThinWomansBrain · 25/05/2025 12:44

SunshineAndFizz · 24/05/2025 18:32

A brother to brother chat is best - explaining it’s been nice having them here but it was never meant to be a permanent solution and it’s time they found their own space and you’d also like the space to yourselves.

Don't sugar coat it like this - they'll know when you sublet to another couple.
Be honest - they're taking advantage AND are making you feel uncomfortable in your own home.
Get rid ASAP

UhhhhhhhOK · 25/05/2025 12:51

Wow that girl is some piece of work. Both are “grown ups” so should deal with grown up realities.

its a good thing to kick them out because in 6 months or so they will both grow up and work out whether they want to be together or not. It will be messy but that’s life.

good luck and hope it works out for you guys

howshouldibehave · 25/05/2025 12:51

They also say we don't own this place so it isn't our house and we aren't the landlords

I'd stop telling your in laws things as they really aren't helping!

I can't believe she thinks she should stay free without a job because she is a grown woman and you can't tell her what to do!

SinnerBoy · 25/05/2025 12:57

She's also sponging off DP's brother, he just hasn't realised yet. I agree, a month's notice is enough; and be firm about it!

howshouldibehave · 25/05/2025 12:57

She then said she could never find a place as she has no money at all

Where did she live before?

Duvetsse · 25/05/2025 12:59

Tell your in laws to put them up.
Thd cheek of them to involve themselves in a home they don't pay towards.
I can see where your DP's cherky fxxker brother got his entitlement from!

Two weeks is too long for someone who has damaged the property.
I think that is a mistake.

Tell her to get those marks off the walls by tuesday or you want her out by friday.

Being nice with people like this gets you nowhere.

I wouldn't trust his brother. Better he's gone too.

Penelope55 · 25/05/2025 13:01

howshouldibehave · 25/05/2025 12:57

She then said she could never find a place as she has no money at all

Where did she live before?

She lived at her parents and worked in a café which is no problem obviously but it's why we are so surprised she suddently needs an industry job in London. Her argument is that she will now have to turn down this dream job she is about to get since she can't commute from home but obviously we are not falling for it — she had her chance to stay here and she could have worked in a café and saved or could have not made it horrible for everyone and we would all be going for a drink to celebrate her job if she got it!

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ThejoyofNC · 25/05/2025 13:02

This definitely isn't her first rodeo, she knows every trick in the book to try and get her own way.

I would have a serious conversation with brother's parents about the fact that she doesn't have a penny to her name and he is being used to fund everything.

howshouldibehave · 25/05/2025 13:08

I can see where your DP's cherky fxxker brother got his entitlement from!

I agree! It really taking the piss for them to tell you what you should and shouldn't be doing with THEIR son and his girlfriend! If they want to dictate how it goes-they can house them from now on.

I wouldn't leave her in the house for 2 weeks whilst you have 4 exams to do if she is causing damage-I think that's a mistake.

Penelope55 · 25/05/2025 13:08

ThejoyofNC · 25/05/2025 13:02

This definitely isn't her first rodeo, she knows every trick in the book to try and get her own way.

I would have a serious conversation with brother's parents about the fact that she doesn't have a penny to her name and he is being used to fund everything.

Yes this is what they are so worried about and what they called us to discuss. But at this point it is none of our business. He is always welcome to stay the night by himself if he has to work late in the city but will not have a key. We fully believe he is being taken advantage of so are trying our best to not alienate him whilst staying firm.

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WildflowerConstellations · 25/05/2025 13:11

I think you and DP, while obviously well meaning, have been a bit naive here. Her attitude was surely very obvious when she said she didn't want the burden of paying rent when she wasn't working. Why should everyone else pay rent to live there but she gets to live for for free? It's not a free house, she is living off you.

They should have been paying at least a third of the rent and half on the bills for the whole place, all along. Possibly more considering you had discounted rent due to works you carried out.

I think your DP's brother should go back to live with his parents and she should go to hers.

Penelope55 · 25/05/2025 13:20

WildflowerConstellations · 25/05/2025 13:11

I think you and DP, while obviously well meaning, have been a bit naive here. Her attitude was surely very obvious when she said she didn't want the burden of paying rent when she wasn't working. Why should everyone else pay rent to live there but she gets to live for for free? It's not a free house, she is living off you.

They should have been paying at least a third of the rent and half on the bills for the whole place, all along. Possibly more considering you had discounted rent due to works you carried out.

I think your DP's brother should go back to live with his parents and she should go to hers.

To be completely fair, he was paying around a third of the rent and his share of bills. This was still very cheap as obviously we have a big discount which we shared with him instead of charging anywhere near market price. (And this discount was not an act of charity from the landlord but an agreement where we spent thousands to renovate the place.) It is also the biggest room with an en-suit and a terrace. We were very happy with this agreement for DP's brother who is working hard and just starting out but obviously not for a couple acting as though they don't know us/ hate us. Obviously, we were very naive and should have put our foot down as soon as she moved. We thought she was going to find a job quite easily as we hadn't realised she had something very specific in mind. Lesson learnt!

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Fingernailbiter · 25/05/2025 13:29

SunshineAndFizz · 24/05/2025 18:32

A brother to brother chat is best - explaining it’s been nice having them here but it was never meant to be a permanent solution and it’s time they found their own space and you’d also like the space to yourselves.

I agree with this. I can’t see any advantage in you speaking to the GF - leave it to the brothers to sort out between the, A month's notice is fair.

It might be a good idea to also put it in writing, so there’s a record of the date you want them out.

CalicoPusscat · 25/05/2025 13:35

She's very sly mentioning the house doesn't belong to you - you have the tenancy, she's not ON it!

Hope it goes smoothly getting her out. You've been generous but her problems are not yours.

TheMimsy · 25/05/2025 13:50

@Penelope55 so she can easily go back to her parents house and won’t be homeless. DB parents are so involved and worried then they will happily let him go home to them so both adults will be able to vacate in two weeks back to their parents. Good luck with it all.

I’ve had my fair share of people like this that I’ve let stay with me and have on the whole walked over boundaries and then I’ve had the delightful task of getting rid of them. I no longer allow anyone to stay as it’s just such a touchy area for me now and I don’t trust people’s motives at the moment.

BangersAndGnash · 25/05/2025 13:56

Sorry: missed updates

BakelikeBertha · 25/05/2025 14:03

OP, I'm pleased to hear that you stood firm with her, however, have I understood it correctly that DP's brother will have to move out, when you sublet, if not before, or are you planning on subletting your part of the building, and letting him stay while you're away? As it does worry me that if you now allow your DP's brother to stay longer, and then rent the rest of the place out while you're away, that he will let her move back in, and she's then likely to cause you even more aggro.

I know you've said she's not happy for him to stay, if she has to go, so I hope that he agrees to go in 2 weeks too. Although in saying that, having found the damage on the walls and the shower door, I would be telling them both to leave by the end of the week, as she in particular clearly has no idea of how a tenancy works if she was stupid enough to use tape on the walls, and may still decide to do more damage, once she's had a chance to think about how UNFAIR you've been to her!!!😡(That of course was intended as sarcasm).

With regard to your DP's parents, I would have thought they'd have been glad that you're turfing them out sooner than planned, as they've made it clear to you, that they don't like her, and this might be the ideal way to separate them, when they realise that without your support, there's no way that they can afford to live together. Plus, they really shouldn't be interfering in your lives and decisions anyway. Maybe they have a touch of the CF's too?

All in all, I think you've done exactly the right thing, so well done for sticking to your guns, in spite of all the dramatics that she obviously tried in order to make you feel sorry for her. I'm pretty sure from what you've told us, that she won't get the job that she is so convinced she will now have to turn down, so don't worry or feel guilty about that in the slightest. She's a cheeky madam, and deserves everything she gets. I just hope your DP's brother sees it after this.

Finally, please come back and tell us how things progress, and any other strokes she tries to pull, in the hope of getting you to back down and let her stay.

SpryCat · 25/05/2025 14:25

I would get DP to message brother and tell him, you both had a look in rooms and as the shower door has been derailed and tape marks all over walls then you have no choice but to kick gf out today. You have stated you have exams coming up and you don’t want the worry of her vandalising the property anymore as obviously she can’t pay to repair. He is obviously still welcome to stay till the deadline you had discussed today.

SpryCat · 25/05/2025 14:28

Then I’d be telling in laws, not only has the GF not been paying her way, making everyone feel uncomfortable, she has vandalised the property. As they are so involved maybe the way to pay for the damage.

Penelope55 · 25/05/2025 14:33

Thank you for this lovely reply — and to everyone else for the great advice. Will absolutely keep everyone updated as this thread has been a massive help!

RE: the brother staying — this was an option we gave him mainly because if anything we had made a commitment to him that he could stay until August + we also didn't want to force them somewhere else together. However, now that she made it clear she is not confortable and he told us he will be going, we have also made it clear that we will now have other arrangements in place and he will have to go too in two weeks tops as we arent't about to get messed around with changes of heart.

RE: parents — we get along very well and I believe they are reasonable people. Telling DP we were harsh is not on but I am sure once they get the full story they will be totally on our side (we have been cautious not to bash their DS and GF). They only got the story from the brother, so I am sure not all details are there! They probably don't even know we gave him the option to stay on his own.

RE: damage — we have agreed we are now focusing on getting them out in the next two weeks and after that will get a contractor in to quote us for the repairs. We will then definitely send them the bill. If they don't pay, I would rather pay myself than kick up a fuss but we will not sugarcoat what happened to anyone and will obviously tell parents.

Feeling much much better now and will not be afraid to stand in my own kitchen!

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BakelikeBertha · 25/05/2025 14:38

Penelope55 · 25/05/2025 14:33

Thank you for this lovely reply — and to everyone else for the great advice. Will absolutely keep everyone updated as this thread has been a massive help!

RE: the brother staying — this was an option we gave him mainly because if anything we had made a commitment to him that he could stay until August + we also didn't want to force them somewhere else together. However, now that she made it clear she is not confortable and he told us he will be going, we have also made it clear that we will now have other arrangements in place and he will have to go too in two weeks tops as we arent't about to get messed around with changes of heart.

RE: parents — we get along very well and I believe they are reasonable people. Telling DP we were harsh is not on but I am sure once they get the full story they will be totally on our side (we have been cautious not to bash their DS and GF). They only got the story from the brother, so I am sure not all details are there! They probably don't even know we gave him the option to stay on his own.

RE: damage — we have agreed we are now focusing on getting them out in the next two weeks and after that will get a contractor in to quote us for the repairs. We will then definitely send them the bill. If they don't pay, I would rather pay myself than kick up a fuss but we will not sugarcoat what happened to anyone and will obviously tell parents.

Feeling much much better now and will not be afraid to stand in my own kitchen!

So pleased to hear this OP! Hope the move comes sooner rather than later, but be proud of yourselves for standing firm over this, as I know it's not easy to deal with people like her.

Enjoy what's left of the long weekend!

MyCyanReader · 25/05/2025 15:09

@Penelope55 Good luck with this!

Technically, if you sublet to more than one person, then HMO rules apply to the property, so that would have been a good enough reason to state that the room could only be let to ONE person!

She is clearly a sponger, and I hope that your BIL sees sense one day and what a mug he has been.

SpryCat · 25/05/2025 16:53

Well done for sticking to your guns! I’d be reclaiming your space by cooking in the kitchen and using the living room etc even if there is an atmosphere.
Your BIL is in for a harsh lesson with his GF in regards to her paying her way or another house share.
As for in-laws, I’d tell them the truth, it was the GF who took the piss, has made a mess of the walls etc, you were happy for their son to stay till August.

Duvetsse · 25/05/2025 16:54

Take photos before they return.

murasaki · 25/05/2025 16:59

You don't see female hobosexuals as often as male ones, but she's a good example.