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Have the school done the right thing even though it punishes the wrong set of people ?

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Mumof3bringwine · 23/05/2025 19:50

DC is in year 6 and as I am sure everyone with a child in the same year is aware the leavers celebrations are in full swing.
The leavers hoodies were organised by the class parent rep.
The hoodies were handed out a while ago and the children have been proudly wearing them 2 days a week in school and were due to wear them for their residential.
unfortunately the Rep has purposely left 1 child without a hoody and also did not include their name on everyone else’s hoody.
I am not sure why it has only been bought to the attention of the school now, but they sent an email basically saying due to one child’s name not being on the hoody they are now banned from being worn on the school premises. Some very angry parents who think the school are punishing the children for something not in their control.
I am not sure what else the school could of done ? I believe they made the right decision but I seem to be the minority!

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ParmaVioletTea · 24/05/2025 14:57

Mumof3bringwine · 23/05/2025 19:53

Yes. I don’t know the complete reason as to why only snippets but yes.

That's outrageous. The school did EXACTLY the right thing.

Codlingmoths · 24/05/2025 14:58

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 14:53

It seems to be trickling over to effecting leavers prom now as well.
Just seen on one of the other parents SM that there is another student bailing from the prom to go out with the other child instead.
it is a real shame that the children are being so affected.

‘It’s a real shame’ is so fucking passive. At our school parents would have stepped in , told bully mum she’s out of the process and we are not grateful for her ‘help’ , another peep out of her on this topic and it will be her child with no jumper ans she can see how she likes it, then either added the number if possible or ordered new jumpers and donated extra to cover those who couldn’t afford it. And then bullied child would have a jumper .

so passive, while a child who goes to the same school as your child is being bullied and it woukd be easily fixed by one parent with a backbone.

Codlingmoths · 24/05/2025 14:59

So the school are exactly right, and it punishes all the right set of people except not enough bully mum and far too much bully child. You’re all letting it happen.

MyCyanReader · 24/05/2025 15:11

Mumof3bringwine · 23/05/2025 20:22

The original argument well was not much of an argument because rep didn’t really try to communicate with other parent as they have a bad history was that
we were all paying for our own individual hoodies and was giving the cost and chose our sizes.
around 10 maybe a bit less had requested adult size hoodies and then the remaining 20 child size hoodies. The VAT was not included when we were asked to pay but no one knew that.
when it came to it the WhatsApp was messsged to ask us all to pay an additional few pound ( had already paid I think around 30.00 )
parent of child raised that she couldn’t afford the extra few pound right now or something along those lines but then I suppose rightly so said she had paid the full amount for her hoody because she had chosen a child sized one. The Rep decided that the VAT should be split between all 30 rather than those who had ordered adult sizes. So that’s as far as the convo was taken and she was refunded without being asked the full amount she has paid and then name was removed of the list.

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@Mumof3bringwine this is VERY straightforward.

No, the kids should NOT be wearing them at all, and the school was right to ban them because it was outright bullying to exclude a child. The name should have remained even if they couldn't afford one.

If parents were aware that one child's name was being missed off then they should have protested against this.

If parents were not aware of the missing name until after they were printed, then the rep should be issuing them with a FULL refund. If I were a parent and found out they'd deliberately missed a child's name off, I'd be insisting on a full refund and would encourage everyone else to do the same.

People need to stand up to bullies, not let them get away with it.

HariboFan5367 · 24/05/2025 16:10

Womblingmerrily · 23/05/2025 19:56

or pay personally for the reprinting

This

Stompythedinosaur · 24/05/2025 17:04

I think the school made the only possible choice.

The rep is a horrible cow and the unhappy parents should be directed to complain to her. I'd want my money back if I'd paid for a leavers hoodie and not received one. It isn't a leaver's hoodie with an editted list of kids picked by a parent.

TallandTaller · 24/05/2025 17:14

I’m with you OP

Sadly, I’ve come across EXACTLY this type of behaviour with primary school parents

thenoisiesttermagant · 24/05/2025 18:18

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 14:53

It seems to be trickling over to effecting leavers prom now as well.
Just seen on one of the other parents SM that there is another student bailing from the prom to go out with the other child instead.
it is a real shame that the children are being so affected.

Good for that child - standing up against bullying. Seems like the children are being more grown up than the adults. I'm not surprised, as I said before the children in my child's school wouldn't allow this sort of bullying of a classmate, even if it's an adult doing it.

Let's hope more of the children step up and show the adults how to behave.

Lifealittleboulder · 24/05/2025 19:31

Eish those are some expensive hoodies!!

ours are £20 for kids sizes and £25 for adults. Parents were told if there was a concern over the price to speak discreetly to the teacher who would then speak to the school friends society who would then pay for that hoodie Or at least towards it. &30 plus is wild!

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 19:48

thenoisiesttermagant · 24/05/2025 18:18

Good for that child - standing up against bullying. Seems like the children are being more grown up than the adults. I'm not surprised, as I said before the children in my child's school wouldn't allow this sort of bullying of a classmate, even if it's an adult doing it.

Let's hope more of the children step up and show the adults how to behave.

I am not sure I understand how a child seeing his name missing from the leavers hoodie ends up with him not going to the Y6 "prom". It's punishing him, not the rep?

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 21:02

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 19:48

I am not sure I understand how a child seeing his name missing from the leavers hoodie ends up with him not going to the Y6 "prom". It's punishing him, not the rep?

The child does not feel welcome and the same rep organises the prom.

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thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 21:07

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 21:02

The child does not feel welcome and the same rep organises the prom.

so it's ONE person organising hoodies AND the "prom"?

What is everybody else doing?

And again, kid being made to miss out on the party is only punishing him.

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 21:14

thetrumanshow · 24/05/2025 21:07

so it's ONE person organising hoodies AND the "prom"?

What is everybody else doing?

And again, kid being made to miss out on the party is only punishing him.

No there is a group but she is main rep there who delegated.

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Auroraloves · 24/05/2025 21:52

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 21:02

The child does not feel welcome and the same rep organises the prom.

I’m so please that our school PTA do this and it’s not down to one cliquey bitch

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 25/05/2025 12:25

The prom should not be going ahead if children dont feel comfortable going due to who has organised it. Can the school throw a party in the school hall during the afternoon instead.

TheNightingalesStarling · 25/05/2025 12:34

Mumof3bringwine · 24/05/2025 21:14

No there is a group but she is main rep there who delegated.

She needs to step down.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 25/05/2025 12:45

Did they purposefully leave a child out though? I organised our hoodies for leavers this year as a parent (previous pta chair but pta wouldn’t do them this year so I stepped up) - school will not provide names. I sent out a Microsoft form with 6 weeks notice- order your hoodie through the form and if you want your child’s name on the back you need to fill in that section of the form even if you don’t want to buy one. I had reps in each class putting this message on social media (all parents were in the class groups) - and yet still I only had 83 responses and 1 who replied after the deadline because they had no idea this was going on (despite messages for 6 weeks prior to deadline).

TheNightingalesStarling · 25/05/2025 12:50

thenewaveragebear1983 · 25/05/2025 12:45

Did they purposefully leave a child out though? I organised our hoodies for leavers this year as a parent (previous pta chair but pta wouldn’t do them this year so I stepped up) - school will not provide names. I sent out a Microsoft form with 6 weeks notice- order your hoodie through the form and if you want your child’s name on the back you need to fill in that section of the form even if you don’t want to buy one. I had reps in each class putting this message on social media (all parents were in the class groups) - and yet still I only had 83 responses and 1 who replied after the deadline because they had no idea this was going on (despite messages for 6 weeks prior to deadline).

If you read the thread, the Rep left out the child deliberately after the mother questioned something

spirit20 · 25/05/2025 12:55

The school is absolutely correct.

They obviously wouldn't let pupils wear a hoodie with the slogan 'We don't like <child's name>" printed on it. Leaving off one child's name from the hoody is pretty much the same thing, just done in a far more covert and sneaky way.

Finteq · 25/05/2025 13:05

Our school organised it themselves.

Basically the parents we sent text with link to the website.

If they order before a certain date the orders will be delivered to the school.

If after then have to pay delivery.

Not sure why something similar couldn't happen too next time. Wpuld save a lot of trouble.

Mumof3bringwine · 27/05/2025 18:21

Update on situation - so although at first even though we all know it was on purpose the rep had continued to deny it sending over a draft copy of the original hoodie from shop as evidence that her name was included but due to further investigation has admitted today that she had in fact emailed after the draft and specially requested the name to be removed due to a personal issue with the parent and child so not the VAT argument.
she says she takes full responsibility and that if anyone wanted further info on the situation she would be happy to share what the child has done for the last 3 years which meant she was angry.
she has said she will rectify the hoodies and had asked another member of the class to add the name to all hoodies by Monday but I am assuming this other class member / parent is the other parent of a Sen child who the parents also have an issue with because she won’t say who but they had offered to the jumpers originally and was shot down when they offered to do it to keep prices down so it’s obviously her and this will cause some issues because some parents won’t want that mum to do their kids jumpers.

she had also stepped down as class rep.

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Dramatic · 27/05/2025 18:59

Mumof3bringwine · 27/05/2025 18:21

Update on situation - so although at first even though we all know it was on purpose the rep had continued to deny it sending over a draft copy of the original hoodie from shop as evidence that her name was included but due to further investigation has admitted today that she had in fact emailed after the draft and specially requested the name to be removed due to a personal issue with the parent and child so not the VAT argument.
she says she takes full responsibility and that if anyone wanted further info on the situation she would be happy to share what the child has done for the last 3 years which meant she was angry.
she has said she will rectify the hoodies and had asked another member of the class to add the name to all hoodies by Monday but I am assuming this other class member / parent is the other parent of a Sen child who the parents also have an issue with because she won’t say who but they had offered to the jumpers originally and was shot down when they offered to do it to keep prices down so it’s obviously her and this will cause some issues because some parents won’t want that mum to do their kids jumpers.

she had also stepped down as class rep.

Dear Lord, why do so many parents have such major issues with each other? Has this child been terrorising the class or something? It's all very intense

Mumof3bringwine · 27/05/2025 19:06

Dramatic · 27/05/2025 18:59

Dear Lord, why do so many parents have such major issues with each other? Has this child been terrorising the class or something? It's all very intense

I dont think half of know why, in terms of the rep and child who was left on there has been a lot of previous fights surrounding allegations of bullying on both sides.
i think there is around 4 parents who are more mouthy than others and the rest sort of just ignore what’s going on

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Auroraloves · 27/05/2025 19:12

It all sounds so childish! How are they supposed to parent children about bullying if they carry on like this, good god. It’s absolutely pathetic- and the poor kids suffer

1SillySossij · 27/05/2025 19:48

So reading between the lines I guess the rep took the parents and orders and placed the order with the printer. It turns out that some are bigger size which attract vat. The rep asked for the extra money from the parent who then refused to pay the extra. The printer had based the price on say 30 and had ordered 30 blank hoodies. So the rep has been left £20+ out of pocket for taking on the job.
It's also open to debate as to whether non-payers are part of the hoodie group or not. Remember th is is organised by the parents and not officially involving the school. Do they technically have the requirement or even the right to print a minor child's name whefe the parents are no longer signed up to it?

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