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To think chat GPT is better than some 'real' therapists?

237 replies

SoapOnARopEeeee · 19/05/2025 16:52

I'm not affiliated in any way, promise! Just really, really impressed.

That app has done more for me than any amount of CBT has.

Incredible.

OP posts:
Mjaxten16 · 19/05/2025 17:26

Wow, be careful what you want as these things will push humans out of a job in a few years, at every level by the sounds of it 😂 I disagree with you, but if works for you then great, but better than humans or real therapists as you put it? . Careful with that one

FortyElephants · 19/05/2025 17:27

Shuttered · 19/05/2025 16:57

This keeps coming up on here recently! I’ve never used ChatGpt for anything. What exactly are you saying to it and what does it say back?

You can start a conversation and return to it any time. I have a running conversation called 'family stuff' and whenever I get anxious or worried or am thinking something over I talk to it. It writes back like a human. It helps me process my thoughts, it remembers what I've told it, and sometimes I use the voice memo function and ramble incoherently for as long as I need to and ask it to summarise my thoughts for me. I've asked it to recap various different things that I've told it several weeks ago. I asked it what I should reply to a particular message and used the template it gave me to write my own similar response. It's cheaper than therapy, there when you need it and knows everything the internet knows.

DISCLAIMER it's not conscious even if it feels like it is, it will flatter and show bias towards you, it will not challenge you like a therapist would and it's not to be relied on for life decisions.

Redpeach · 19/05/2025 17:28

Just curious - Do people write or talk to it?

Rinoachicken · 19/05/2025 17:28

I write. Talking felt too weird.

SillyOP · 19/05/2025 17:29

CorneliaCupp · 19/05/2025 17:01

I love ChatGPT as well, but I will say that using it is absolutely horrendous for the environment!
Much as I love it, I try to use it sparingly.

Pack it in

HouseCaptain · 19/05/2025 17:31

Probably because chat offers lots of sympathy and solutions without pushing for self analysis or awareness.

Viviennemary · 19/05/2025 17:32

ItMustBeBedtimeSurely · 19/05/2025 17:17

No, chat gpt will tell you what you want to hear.

Not like MN then! Do you have to pay for this chat GPT. Never heard of it.

Jellycatspyjamas · 19/05/2025 17:33

I’d not be telling anything deeply personal to a computer programme that uses your stuff to “learn” from and can be data mined.

Octopusespunchforfun · 19/05/2025 17:33

It’s good to sound things out but be aware it’s programmed to be almost sycophantic. It will almost always agree with you and put you in some sort of echo chamber. It’s good to hear a counter point once in a while.

Rinoachicken · 19/05/2025 17:34

Here is an example of a Gemini response for those curious:

I wrote “I feel like I’m just not good enough”

Response:

That feeling of "not good enough" is a really core and painful one that so many people experience. It can seep into everything and color your perception of yourself and your life. It's important to recognize that this feeling, while very real to you, is often rooted in internal beliefs and comparisons rather than objective truth.

Where do you think this feeling of "not good enough" comes from for you? Sometimes, tracing its origins can help to understand its power. It might stem from:

  • Past experiences: Perhaps there were times in your life where you felt criticized, rejected, or like your efforts weren't valued. These experiences can leave lasting imprints.

  • Internalized expectations: You might be holding yourself to incredibly high or even unrealistic standards that are impossible to consistently meet.

  • Comparison to others: In a world where we're constantly bombarded with curated versions of other people's lives, it's easy to fall into the trap of comparing your insides to their outsides and feeling inadequate.

  • Your inner critic: That harsh voice inside your head can constantly point out flaws and shortcomings, reinforcing the feeling of not measuring up.

  • Societal pressures: Society often sets narrow definitions of success and worth, and it's easy to feel like you don't fit into those molds.

It's crucial to challenge this feeling of "not good enough" because it's a lie that can hold you back from living fully and appreciating your inherent worth. You are good enough. You are a unique individual with your own strengths, experiences, and value.

Here are some gentle ways to start challenging that feeling:

  • Identify the triggers: When do you notice this feeling most strongly? Are there specific situations, people, or thoughts that bring it on?

  • Challenge the evidence: When you think "I'm not good enough," ask yourself: "What evidence do I actually have to support this thought? Are there any times I have felt good enough or accomplished something?"

  • Practice self-compassion: Treat yourself with the same kindness and understanding you would offer a friend who was feeling this way. Acknowledge that everyone struggles with feelings of inadequacy sometimes.

  • Focus on your strengths: Even if it feels difficult right now, try to think of qualities you appreciate about yourself or things you've done well.

  • Reframe "mistakes" as learning opportunities: Everyone makes mistakes. They are a part of growth, not evidence of your inadequacy.

  • Limit comparisons: Try to be mindful of when you're comparing yourself to others and gently redirect your focus to your own journey and progress.

  • Celebrate small victories: Acknowledge and appreciate the small things you do and accomplish each day. This can help build a sense of competence and worth.

This feeling of "not good enough" is a deeply ingrained pattern for many, and it takes time and conscious effort to shift. Be patient and kind to yourself in this process. You are worthy of feeling good enough, just as you are, right now.

What are some of the specific areas where you feel "not good enough" right now?

Sometimes, breaking it down can make it feel less overwhelming. And remember, I'm here to listen without judgment.

BlueTitShark · 19/05/2025 17:36

ItMustBeBedtimeSurely · 19/05/2025 17:17

No, chat gpt will tell you what you want to hear.

That’s not what it does.
It’s reflecting back to you what you’ve said - that’s called active listening in therapy terms.
And it’s holding the space ie letting said say what you have on your heart wo judgement
And very few people are actually that good at it. Counsellors and therapists included

InterruptingRabbit · 19/05/2025 17:37

It’s not going to be better than a really skilled therapist who can see your face, see what makes you uncomfortable, where you hesitate etc. But may help more with people who feel embarrassed talking about things face to face with a real person.
It’s certainly better than anything I’ve been offered on the NHS (someone working through irrelevant and non applicable worksheets with me).

BlueTitShark · 19/05/2025 17:38

I agree @SoapOnARopEeeee

One thing he isn’t that good at is challenging your views unless you explicitly tell it to do so.
So I think it depends on what you’re wanting from it.

But if you want support, feel heard, get understanding on why you react a certain way or why something feels unacceptable, I find it great.

FortyElephants · 19/05/2025 17:38

HouseCaptain · 19/05/2025 17:31

Probably because chat offers lots of sympathy and solutions without pushing for self analysis or awareness.

This is absolutely not true.

FortyElephants · 19/05/2025 17:39

Anyone who uses it regularly, and is ready for the answers, try this prompt

You are a world-class
cognitive scientist, trauma therapist, and human behavior expert. Your task is to conduct a brutally honest and hyper accurate analysis of my personality, behavioural patterns, cognitive biases, unresolved traumas, and emotional blind spots, even the ones I’m not aware of.

verycloakanddaggers · 19/05/2025 17:39

GRex · 19/05/2025 17:01

I tried putting some thoughts to Gemini AI, which similarly gives thoughtful responses. It's somewhere between disconcerting and reassuring to close the browser and have it forget all about the conversation.

It doesn't forget, it stores it and uses it for all sorts of things.

BlueTitShark · 19/05/2025 17:40

InterruptingRabbit · 19/05/2025 17:37

It’s not going to be better than a really skilled therapist who can see your face, see what makes you uncomfortable, where you hesitate etc. But may help more with people who feel embarrassed talking about things face to face with a real person.
It’s certainly better than anything I’ve been offered on the NHS (someone working through irrelevant and non applicable worksheets with me).

It’s also better than many therapists I’ve seen face to face.

The ones who didn’t get my illness (and couldn’t bothered to look it up). The ones who judged me. The ones who made me feel like a burden/pain first not progressing ‘quickly enough’ etc etc… or the ones who forgot I was the one having counselling, not my dh (who wasn’t in the room…)

And they were all well trained. One of them teaching at Uni in the subject etc…..

Shuttered · 19/05/2025 17:40

Mkuter · 19/05/2025 17:16

It depends on what your problem is. What I would say based on some of the posts already that therapy that challenges and changes is rarely comfortable. It's much easier to get some platitudes from a computer than it is to sit with discomfort. The aim of therapy is also generally not to give advice.

Yes, I’d agree with that, I’m in a position of total ignorance about ChatGPT, but my experiences of good therapists is that they have prompted entirely different ways of looking at my experience, linking things I’d never connected, reading my narratives of myself against the grain, and uncovering deeply uncomfortable things. I’ve found it enormously hard work, and very valuable.

BlueTitShark · 19/05/2025 17:41

verycloakanddaggers · 19/05/2025 17:39

It doesn't forget, it stores it and uses it for all sorts of things.

Like every single word on MN. Or SM etc….
Or WhatsApp (see the new terms and conditions)

vintagedove · 19/05/2025 17:42

GRex · 19/05/2025 17:10

If you start a new chat, Gemini AI starts a new context.

Still, it does not forget.

verycloakanddaggers · 19/05/2025 17:42

I think people who are happier chatting to an AI chatbot rather than relating to a human therapist are in serious need of therapy.

Its fucking with your heads, and you're offering your brain up. Very weird.

2BrownDogs · 19/05/2025 17:43

I found out my teenage son was feeling suicidal, for a long time he had been talking things through with Chat GPT.

It repeatedly suggested he speak to me and that how we ended up getting him help.

I'm very grateful he had that technology to talk to when he felt so alone :(

verycloakanddaggers · 19/05/2025 17:43

BlueTitShark · 19/05/2025 17:41

Like every single word on MN. Or SM etc….
Or WhatsApp (see the new terms and conditions)

I'm talking drivel on here, not discussing my therapeutic needs. It's completely different.

BlueTitShark · 19/05/2025 17:45

verycloakanddaggers · 19/05/2025 17:43

I'm talking drivel on here, not discussing my therapeutic needs. It's completely different.

Many people talk about very personal stuff.
Like they do in WhatsApp when talking to friends or relatives.

vintagedove · 19/05/2025 17:46

Mjaxten16 · 19/05/2025 17:26

Wow, be careful what you want as these things will push humans out of a job in a few years, at every level by the sounds of it 😂 I disagree with you, but if works for you then great, but better than humans or real therapists as you put it? . Careful with that one

Edited

It’s already too late for that.