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WIBU to pull DS out of school?

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GreenShoes12 · 16/05/2025 10:31

DS14, Y9, suspected ASD but no dx yet – we’re still on the waiting list. Used to manage OK in primary and even Y7, but the last year or so it’s gone massively downhill. The older the other kids get, the more obvious the gap is. They’re into phones, TikTok, dating, swearing, makeup – and DS is still into Fireman Sam, CBeebies, building things with Lego and train sets. Still plays with his teddies and talks to them. He’s just not in that teenage world at all and it shows.

He’s now refusing school most days. His attendance is shockingly low and I’m being threatened with fines. I can’t leave him home alone – he has no idea about danger, can’t work a microwave, would open the door to anyone. So every day he’s not in, I’m missing work, and work are losing patience too. I’m getting it from all angles.

He got home yesterday shaken up. Group of lads in his year – been bothering him on and off – started chanting “Fireman freak” at him and “does mummy still wipe your bum?” because he had a Fireman Sam keyring on his bag. One of them grabbed his bag and tipped all his stuff on the floor. Someone stomped on his water bottle and laughed. DS just stood there frozen. He said he wanted to run but couldn’t move. That’s happened before too – last month someone filmed him talking to himself in the playground and shared it on Snapchat. He didn’t even know until someone in another class told him people were laughing at it.

Another time he was trying to line up his pens on his desk and a kid knocked them off on purpose – teacher told him off for “being dramatic” when he got upset. They don’t get it. He’s not badly behaved, he just shuts down or lashes out when it’s too much – he’s thrown his book across the room before, or shouted suddenly. But it’s frustration and overload, not aggression. He doesn’t understand the rules like the others do. He thinks they’re all just being “mean for fun” and doesn’t really get social stuff.

He’s also been self harming for months. I only found out last week. Hid it really well – long sleeves, said he scratched himself on bushes etc. I feel like a terrible mum not spotting it sooner. School didn’t pick it up either – it only came out when another kid mentioned it and it got flagged.

He’s miserable, and I’m at breaking point too. I’m getting no help. School say without a dx there’s little they can do. CAMHS referral is in but it’s been months already and we’ve heard nothing. They’re putting it all on us to manage, but I’m drowning. DS doesn’t want to go in. He says he hates it, it makes him feel “small and stupid”.

Would I be totally unreasonable to just pull him out until we get proper support? Maybe look at online learning or something. I know it’s not ideal but I feel like leaving him in there is just making everything worse. Anyone done similar without a dx in place? I’ve got no idea what I’m doing and feel totally alone in this.

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Apothecary266 · 16/05/2025 10:35

School can absolutely put things in place without a referral. However in your sons case I would take him out. Both my children had lots of adjustments in place at school before their diagnosis but I did similar and pulled them out of school for six months before changing their schools. If it's not working for either of you, sometimes you need to regroup and look at all the options before making a decision.

OneLoyalCyanGuide · 16/05/2025 10:35

You do not need a diagnosis for an EHCP, apply for one now, you don't need the school to be involved. Get him out as soon as you can. Until you can do that help him to be as inconspicuous as possible. He should be able to have a Fireman Sam keychain, but he can't.. you need to explain why to him. You're not doing him favours letting him be a target.

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Happyinarcon · 16/05/2025 10:38

Take you kid out, the teacher is allowing him to be bullied and telling him off when he reacts. Happening a lot lately in many schools.

OneLoyalCyanGuide · 16/05/2025 10:41

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Bluevelvetsofa · 16/05/2025 10:43

It’s wrong for the school to say that they can do nothing without a diagnosis. There is clear evidence of need and they should have been putting support in place since he started there.

Having said that, I would apply for an EHCP and remove him from the school.

OneLoyalCyanGuide · 16/05/2025 10:45

It's in the school's interest to say they can do nothing. They don't have to use their minimal resources and they know eventually you'll take your child away and not be their problem. If you're not on FB join it. Join all the groups for people seeking a diagnosis/school refusal and EHCP help. You can even apply for DLA without a diagnosis which will help pay for lessons.

endingintiers · 16/05/2025 10:47

the school needs to stamp down on this bullying immediately. Phones are not allowed in my kids school and if they were found to be filming and sharing other children for ridicule the perpetrators would at the very least have in school exclusions and their parents called in, alongside a stern chat with the head and the clear expectation that any future bullying would lead to more severe consequences.

If the school don’t do this then unfortunately it’s not a safe place for him. what other schools are in your area?

as he is self harming I think you should also call CAMHS and get the referral escalated

also look for special interest groups (eg train enthusiasts) that meet evenings or weekends so he can start meeting more like minded people and build his confidence again outside school.

Wishing you all the best

OneLoyalCyanGuide · 16/05/2025 10:47

Oh and specifically join the group for parents of children with autism for your local area to get help for dealing with your local council.
Other parents will be a greater resource than anything the council or the NHS offers. And keep in mind that a diagnosis won't really change anything, it doesn't open half the doors you hope it will. Those come with being "that parent"

Tomnooktoldmeto · 16/05/2025 10:48

Our DD was similar and like your DS still awaiting diagnosis, it got so bad she was was sat in the enhanced learning base for 6 months unable to access any learning

in the end we took her out of school and put her in an online school, applied for an EHCP and went from there. It was a game changer, DD never missed a day of school after that because she could access it on her own terms

In the next month DD will graduate from University with a high 2:1 all because she got access to the right education for her, left in the school she may well have ended her life as she had suicidal ideation

Follow your gut instinct, our kids can thrive given the right opportunities

Btowngirl · 16/05/2025 10:49

I’m so sorry this is happening to your son and it’s a lot for you to deal with. I would 100% take my child out of school if I had the means, and look into a placement in a more specialist school. Makes my blood boil those other children being horrible to him! What have the school done to address that! I believe you can self refer for an EHCP. I would also hound my GP for a paeds referral for developmental delay. I don’t know if we got lucky but my DD got seen relatively quickly/easily. Good luck OP it must be so stressful xx

SandrenaIsMyBloodType · 16/05/2025 10:53

I know how upsetting it is to find that your child has been self-harming but, in our case, it did help school, the GP and CAHMS to see the extent of DD2s distress and people started to help from then onwards. Make sure you have told everyone concerned about this. This is a safeguarding issue. He is refusing school because he has untreated mental health issues, unaccomodated neurodiversity and doesn’t feel safe because he is being bullied. He would go to school if he could. You would like him to be able to go to school. This is not a situation where fines are appropriate. You’re not off at bloody Center Parcs!

Tbrh · 16/05/2025 10:53

Sorry OP I have no practical advice, but just sending you some support Flowers

Tgfrislip · 16/05/2025 11:02

In terms of diagnosis you can do Right to choose which may make it quicker.

More needs to be done about the bullying. As that would be the case wothout asd.
Does he have learning issues too?
Will next year be with different kids as starting gcses?

SummertimeFeelingFine · 16/05/2025 11:04

I would take Jim out, if it's viable.

*him. I've no idea who Jim is. 🙂

Mama2many73 · 16/05/2025 11:04

I'm so sorry your son, and yourself, are going through this. As an ex teacher, parent and foster carer I've dealt with quite a bit and this is what really pisses me off. Expecting a child, who has obvious differences/needs, to just keep attending school while on a waiting list for 3 yrs is insanity! The effect on their education, but more importantly, their mental health is immeasurable.

School can do stuff without a diagnosis or EHCP and they should 100% be doing something about the bullying, that is totally unacceptable.

You know your Ds best and I can see why you feel for his wellbeing he needs to be out of this situation!

Hugs x

receptionmummy · 16/05/2025 11:08

I’m so sorry you’ve been through this OP. It’s outrageous your son has had to put up with that behaviour without support from the school. I’m an ex HOY / teacher and I think this school has behaved terribly. Sending you solidarity.

I would do the following if I were in your shoes:

  1. take him out of that school immediately and cite safeguarding / protecting his life as the reason
  2. enrol on the virtual schools listed above as a temporary measure - really important to keep continuity of learning, I can’t stress that enough, I’ve seen so many school refusers go downhill and never engage again. It can be life-changing in the worst possible way. Ensure there’s structure at home and lots of fun learning instilled. Ensure opportunities to mix with other young people (who he likes) so that he doesn’t become isolated which could really damage his MH further.
  3. Research and apply for a supportive smaller school. My friend had exactly your situation and found an excellent lovely small private school where they provided a full bursary. They were lovely and allowed my friends son to gradually dip his toe in and get to know them on his terms, and a year later he absolutely loves it there and never misses a day. Don’t give up hope - the right school is out there. Don’t stop until you find it. Research, ask, speak to them, if it’s fee paying (and you can’t afford it) just keep asking for support.
  4. contact CAMHS re the self harm and try to escalate diagnosis assessment
  5. also speak to the GP re self harm
  6. see if there is low cost therapy in your area. I’ve accessed £5 therapy for teens who couldn’t wait for CAMHS. (Again, assuming you can’t afford to go private. If you can then do that). To be clear this is to support DS with the self harming.
  7. Once all the above in order, if you have energy left consider making a formal complaint to the school governors & Ofsted about the way the school failed to protect your son.
  8. You're doing this already, but keep giving him lots of love. Take a moment to do something fun for him, a fun day out or something - shower him with love. Help him feel better after his awful experiences at school and show him you’re there for him (you are already doing this).
sending you lots of love and best wishes.
MattCauthon · 16/05/2025 11:11

Based onyour OP it is very clear that mainstream school is not right for your DS, diagnosis or not. I would take him out but you should look into the process for that and also start working on an EHCP application. He needs much more support than he is getting.

SalmonWellington · 16/05/2025 11:11

First of all, your kid sounds lovely.

Second - it is utter, utter bullshit that they can't help without a diagnosis. In fact diagnosis does very little other than open doors to -eg- autism or dyslexia specific schools.

What helps are the holy trinity of OT, SALT and ed psych reports (especially OT) which back up evidence of needs. They take a while to get even if you can pay privately. If you apply for an EHCP they come with - or at least ed psych does - but again that takes a long time.

In the meantime - if you can don't send him in. But (this bit is important) don't say you're choosing to home ed. That translates into 'I am making the choice to home ed even though school is perfectly ok' and trashes any chance of support. Support here could mean a special school, or EOTAS.

Say - in writing - you need records of all this - that you are keeping him home because school isn't a safe space for him.

Email head of year, chair of governors, senco. If you really want to go nuclear cc'in councillors, mp and head of children's services at your council.

SalmonWellington · 16/05/2025 11:15

Also - there may be a homeschooling facebook group near you. Worth joining partly to meet others going through similar and partly to keep that continuity of learning @receptionmummy highlighted in her excellent post. They might - for example - be homeschool days at the local museum, or at the zoo. These will usually be mixed-age, inclusive sessions that can just keep that sense of learning something alive.

Littlemiracles232504 · 16/05/2025 11:16

I’d be taking him out of school asap! He’s clearly not getting the support (if any) in school
both my sons have ASD 5&6 and it absolutely breaks my heart reading this
poor lad, hopefully he gets the help he deserves and so do you

Todayisaday · 16/05/2025 11:17

Take him out of school.
Its disgusting how the school are not helping with any of this.
Apply for echp
If ss get involved then explain that youbare not sending him back until you get one.
They can help fast track it as I have seen this happen before.
Keep a log of everything, try and remember dates and times of each incident that has happened in school too.

Newyearnewmewoooop · 16/05/2025 11:18

Please pull him out, his mental health is more important than. Poor lad, school isn’t for everyone, get him some alternative provision instead

Away2000 · 16/05/2025 11:19

I would take him out and enrol him in an online school. Parents can apply for an EHCP - there’s Facebook groups on SEN education advice, your local Sendias, Ipsea, contact.org, all can give advice. Apply for DLA to hopefully cover some education costs until you can find a suitable school.

receptionmummy · 16/05/2025 11:20

SalmonWellington · 16/05/2025 11:11

First of all, your kid sounds lovely.

Second - it is utter, utter bullshit that they can't help without a diagnosis. In fact diagnosis does very little other than open doors to -eg- autism or dyslexia specific schools.

What helps are the holy trinity of OT, SALT and ed psych reports (especially OT) which back up evidence of needs. They take a while to get even if you can pay privately. If you apply for an EHCP they come with - or at least ed psych does - but again that takes a long time.

In the meantime - if you can don't send him in. But (this bit is important) don't say you're choosing to home ed. That translates into 'I am making the choice to home ed even though school is perfectly ok' and trashes any chance of support. Support here could mean a special school, or EOTAS.

Say - in writing - you need records of all this - that you are keeping him home because school isn't a safe space for him.

Email head of year, chair of governors, senco. If you really want to go nuclear cc'in councillors, mp and head of children's services at your council.

Good advice

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