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Removed child from Y6 SATS

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arachnidadriana · 14/05/2025 19:57

My child has SEND, significant enough to have warranted an EHCP from Reception age. She’s been at the same small school all through. Now in Y6.

I am so glad we are almost at the point of leaving. Before I get into this I should say I work around education (but am not a teacher) and very much see the good the bad and the ugly when it comes to schools and how children with SEND are and are not assisted. I have seen and heard it all over the last few years, the genuine schools who try their best but cannot do what is needed and the ones who really don’t.

The school have been awful. The first year or two were not so bad (before I had trained fully, and knew better) I muddled along the best I could, ensuring that my child had the support she was supposed to. There was never a time when the school could not accommodate her and what she needed, and the funding was sufficient to cover it. However, there were many many times when they chose to do otherwise. We’ve had the odd lovely teacher, but they’ve never lasted long, a term or two.

By the time I’d realised that really it was not a great place with increasingly poor leadership, my child was firmly settled in and all advice we received (and my own instinct) said a move for her would be disastrous and increase the EBSA. So we’ve stuck it out.

Despite the challenges, my child is very bright and academically able. This year has been geared around preparing for SATS all of which my child has coped with and done well at, with us supporting her at home. However, when it’s come to it last week, she’s just crumbled. She did not want to do the SATS, she’d worked herself up into a right state. Hasn’t been helped by some actions taken at school.

DH and I discussed this, and we’ve always said if she can’t manage the SATS then we’d be happy for her not to sit them. The less formal tests they do always put her at 2y + in her learning. We have no concerns there and her secondary place was sorted out over a year ago due to having the EHCP, not that secondaries really bother with SATS results anyway.

So I contacted school on Monday and truthfully told them, as I always do, that she is having an episode of EBSA, it’s making her unwell, and that I’m not forcing her in. She saw the CAMHS psychologist last week too who agreed with our decision and I explained that. I said we’re happy for her to miss the SATS. I told them that she’ll be staying at home this week, that I was happy to ask her to complete work if they wanted me
to but that I don’t expect them to provide it, given how busy they will be and that if they can’t I will ensure that she completes some homework projects.

I have had several phone calls asking me to reconsider. Which started off as trying to guilt me into ‘think of her future, she needs to do these’ (no, she doesn’t). It culminated in the Head calling me to say that as her year group has only 10 children that her scores make up 10% of the schools results. They know she will very likely excel, and they can’t afford to lose her scores ‘after all the hard work they’ve put in with her over the years’

AIBU to tell them to get to fuck?! They’ve put me through absolute hell the last few years. They’ve lied, they’ve tried to gaslight me, they’ve ignored anything I’ve raised to them until professional documentation has forced their hands, they’ve made it so clear that they’d rather we left and never darkened their doorstep ever again with our pesky child who needs additional help. Despite all of this I have always been polite, calm, civil and professional (even though as a parent it’s really not on me to be professional).

This just takes the absolute biscuit though and I am furious. It’s not just me, I’m not just that one difficult parent. Most children with additional needs end up leaving for elsewhere because the parents just cannot deal with the schools behaviour. I’ve lost count of the number that’ve gone over the years. There’s a reason there’s only ten children (out of a possible eighteen!) left at the end of year 6.

AIBU??

OP posts:
HeyPooPooHead · 14/05/2025 21:33

SATS involve hot housing year 6s in specific very limited areas, year 6 doesn't offer a particularly inspirational or creative education sadly.

Sassybooklover · 14/05/2025 21:45

SATS are for the schools legal tables and statistics. My son's secondary school partly uses the SATS results but within the first two weeks of September, the Year 7's sit tests set by the school. It's these results, coupled with the SATS that they use to determine what level the students are at, and which set to put them into. It probably depends on the secondary school, some may use the SATS results more than others. I know of a couple of parents who pulled their children out of the SATS tests (none of the children were SEN), simply because they didn't agree with the tests. For my son Year 6, was boring, he lost all enthusiasm for school - consisted of revising for SATS, sitting SATS, a residential trip and practising for end of year performance. He was bored to tears and couldn't wait to leave. He's now Year 9, and thriving at secondary school.

Oddsocksanduglyshoes · 14/05/2025 21:48

Florally · 14/05/2025 19:59

My kids high schools used sats results to set them. Will you not need that?

Kids at private schools don’t even do them and somehow their schools cope!

stichguru · 14/05/2025 22:07

Sats are not going to help your daughter.
Sats are not needed
The process of Sats will be tricky for your daughter
I'm guessing there has been and will be plenty of times going forward where she will really need to do things that are tricky or distressing for her and as a good mum, you will have to make her do them.
Sats is not one of them, so she isn't doing Sats.

Even if the school had been amazing for her, she has a disability and it's their job to support her, she doesn't owe them anything, zero, nothing, nought, zilch!

As a disabled worker I once had a boss a bit like this, thought that if she helped me with one thing, I could never claim that she didn't cater properly for my disability. Like mate until what you are doing to help me is magically curing my brain damage, you don't score brownie points which lets you off the hook next time!!

Soontobe60 · 14/05/2025 22:17

Unfortunately your primarily understandable decision could have several ongoing consequences. Firstly, you’ve taught your DD that when things get a bit tricky she can just opt out - not great for developing resilience. Secondly, when she returns to school on Friday she will need a plausible back story to tell her friends who will all want to know why she didn’t sit the tests. Thirdly, towards the end of term when all the children will be discussing their results, she will be excluded from those conversations. Finally, secondary schools DO use SATs data to target set.
I’m a great believer that where a child is academically capable of taking exams, they should have all the necessary support in order to do so. Your DD could have had access to pastoral support, sat the tests away from the other children, or even had a member of staff come to your home to administer the tests to her in a familiar, safe environment.
All that said, the deed has been done and it’s too late to do anything about it. I would recommend, for her own curiosity, asking the school for copies of the papers so your DD can do them at home under test conditions so that she can get an idea of how well she would have done.

arachnidadriana · 14/05/2025 22:18

Thanks for your responses everyone.

Her new secondary don’t use SATS to set, she’ll do their own tests in Y7. She had a full cognitive assessment in Y5 too which we sent to the secondary when it was named on her EHCP. We funded that privately, along with a further independent Ed Psych assessment for the Y5 annual review but also in an effort to get school to recognise that yes she is very able (she’s 98th percentile) but that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t require the additional support that she is supposed to have, and which is significant. There’s no point being clever if you can’t cope in the environment because you’re not being properly supported, so it’s not accessible to you! It’s sad, because she loves learning.

Shes also sat plenty of tests, they test reading maths and spag each term so she’s not scared of sitting a test generally, they’re not an unknown to her. I can’t remember what they’re called but the results are on her day to day support plan which her LSA follows (or tries to) The LSA is actually brilliant but can only do what she’s allowed to do or not do by the teacher and Head. Those results are updated each term. So she can sit tests, but the fuss about the SATS has just been ridiculous, and too much.

We’ve got 5 years until GCSEs. I am hopeful that with the right support at school and here, she will thrive and manage them. I’ll have to cross that bridge when we come to it. Getting her up to 70% attendance will be a start!

OP posts:
TheNightingalesStarling · 14/05/2025 22:21

Her GCSEs are half her current lifetime away. She will barely remember not doing them by then!

arachnidadriana · 14/05/2025 22:24

Freshair87 · 14/05/2025 20:07

Agree with everyone, you sound like a great mum!

Thank you, that’s kind. I am an exhausted, ground down and hopping mad Mum at the moment but the summer holidays are soon upon us and so I’m looking on the bright side!

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Meadowfinch · 14/05/2025 22:27

If she is distressed, pull her out.

SATs are only of use to the primary school, they are no benefit whatsoever to the child or the senior school.

sakuraspring · 14/05/2025 22:27

TheNightingalesStarling · 14/05/2025 22:21

Her GCSEs are half her current lifetime away. She will barely remember not doing them by then!

Exactly! I didn't do any exams until GCSES... I didn't just survive them i aced them.

And exams aren't the be all and end all. It's not a sign of failure to wobble. I walked out of an exam at university once, having a panic attack (albeit more due to other things going on in my life). My very prestigious university supported me through it and I ended the three years with the top marks in my year.

UndermyShoeJoe · 14/05/2025 22:38

all those Covid kids didn’t do sats. My own child included and now doing GCSE’s. Sats don’t matter a jot for the children it’s all about school tables.

No secondary just uses sats scores they all know year six is just training for the test that’s why they all retest within the first month.

grapesandmelon · 14/05/2025 23:09

You'll have to keep her off next week too otherwise she'll just sit them next week when she goes back.

arachnidadriana · 15/05/2025 07:19

grapesandmelon · 14/05/2025 23:09

You'll have to keep her off next week too otherwise she'll just sit them next week when she goes back.

She won’t. I’ve withdrawn my consent for her to sit them in writing (by email) to the Head.

However, your point, based on the school having form for being underhand has made me think. I’ll
drop him an polite email today asking for him to confirm that won’t be the case on her return.

OP posts:
1SillySossij · 15/05/2025 10:04

It is the school's decision to make though, not yours.
I don't understand why you are perfectly happy to sit y7 CATS as soon as she starts at secondary but not year 6 SATS?
I always tell our children it doesn't matter if they skip questions, that nobody in the school will ever see the answers they wrote, it will be put straight in an envelope and sent away to be marked mostly by computer and that will be the end of it. That seems to reassure them.

arachnidadriana · 15/05/2025 11:35

1SillySossij · 15/05/2025 10:04

It is the school's decision to make though, not yours.
I don't understand why you are perfectly happy to sit y7 CATS as soon as she starts at secondary but not year 6 SATS?
I always tell our children it doesn't matter if they skip questions, that nobody in the school will ever see the answers they wrote, it will be put straight in an envelope and sent away to be marked mostly by computer and that will be the end of it. That seems to reassure them.

It is absolutely not the school’s decision to make. Many parents withdraw their children from SATS (for various reasons unrelated to SEND) and there is nothing the school can do about it. It’s entirely my decision, as the child’s parent, and has been backed by the CAMHS psychologist who is responsible for my child’s care.

I’m happy for her to sit the Y7 tests primarily as they benefit her. I’m already in good contact with her new school as we’ve begun an enhanced transition period, and all of the required adjustments will be made. Additionally, they’ve agreed that in the event that she can’t manage them for whatever reason they will have enough data from her updated EHCP, the last years classroom based testing records plus her cognitive/neuro-assessment (which included a WISC) to initially set her. Sets aren't permanently defined in Y7 anyway, they jiggle them as needed until Y9.

There is no benefit to my child in sitting the Y6 SATS. There is only a benefit to the school and they’re only bothered about her sitting them because she is bright/very able academically and as her year group is so tiny her results would make up 10% of the overall results. They don’t care a hoot for her well-being or any benefit to her, they care about their results being impacted because she’s not sitting them.

I would have been happy for her to sit the SATS if she wanted to, and felt able to. But she doesn’t and isn’t, so that’s that.

There are many tricky things that have to be done in life and wherever possible, when things must be done then they are done. We have absolute nightmares getting her to and engaging with her CAMHS appointments, anything that involves medical care/needles, her extra regular vision testing. It is very, very hard. But those things are essential and non-negotiable, and so, I ensure they are done.

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FedupofArsenalgame · 15/05/2025 11:45

Florally · 14/05/2025 19:59

My kids high schools used sats results to set them. Will you not need that?

My kids secondary schools ( 2 different ones) did their own tests for streaming. In DD2 s school a large % of the kids had came from private preps and didn't even do tests so it's not across the board

FarmersWife3 · 15/05/2025 11:57

The school sounds awful. Your DD doesn't need the SATs, and neither does the school. My DS hasn't sat any SATs. He has been unable to attend school since Easter, after almost a year of declining attendance (probable ND issues, severe anxiety, EBSA (and dyslexia)). He is under CAMHS. School have been wonderful - no pressure, just understanding and sympathy. His teacher spoke to me and said if he is able to attend and do the SATs then great (he would get extra time and other provision), if not, then he is marked absent and life goes on as before - no stress or issue. This is the approach i took - encouraging him to attend if he could, but it just wasn't possible. I don't understand these schools that make such a big deal of SATs and make life for parents so hard!

LadyDanburysHat · 15/05/2025 12:08

It is clear from the school response that they only care about their results, not your DD.

You are doing the right thing.

ForAquaMember · 15/05/2025 12:13

Please don’t doubt yourself.

I know you probably came on AIBU for reassurance on your decision but

You sound like a great mum with her child’s best interest at heart, you’ve sorted a place out and discussed this with her secondary school. They’re aware that she might not be able to do exams in Y7 but they’ve acknowledged that.

It is absolutely your decision, not the schools.

I personally think SATs are too much for 10 year olds. I think it puts a lot of stress on young children. I know people are mentioning GCSES but that’s years away.

ExpressCheckout · 15/05/2025 12:16

I honestly think we should get rid of SATs and Ofsted, and put schools back under LA control. This addiction to metrics and measurements has to stop - including the appalling over-assessment at GCSE level.

This said, I'd also prevent parents from applying to particular schools, too. This helps nobody and has distracted from the need to provide what everyone wants: a good, local, inclusive school for everyone.

It does upset me to see the tired faces of local kids sat on the bus at 7AM because they couldn't get a place at the local school, or mummy and daddy thought it was OK for them to travel 7 miles twice a day.*

*Rural kids excepted of course.

VivaVivaa · 15/05/2025 12:28

Slightly beside the point, but it’s amazing that even 7 years ago kids with SEN but no learning difficulties could have EHCPs sorted by reception. Between all the delays, waiting lists and rejections, I’ll be amazed if my ASD, academically gifted, emotionally/socially extremely delayed reception aged child will have an EHCP by the end of infants.

Coming back to the question, YANBU at all OP.

Mumof1andacat · 15/05/2025 12:30

My son senior school didn't use the sats results for sets. Everyone is in mixed ability for about 4-5 wks of term in yr 7 and then they did Cat tests to set them. If I had another child I would withdraw them from sats. My ds was stressed about them and they were needed for nothing.

dovetail22uk · 15/05/2025 12:55

Florally · 14/05/2025 19:59

My kids high schools used sats results to set them. Will you not need that?

No, they retest them in every secondary school.

Parker231 · 15/05/2025 12:56

HeyPooPooHead · 14/05/2025 21:33

SATS involve hot housing year 6s in specific very limited areas, year 6 doesn't offer a particularly inspirational or creative education sadly.

What a good summary!

dovetail22uk · 15/05/2025 12:57

arachnidadriana · 14/05/2025 19:57

My child has SEND, significant enough to have warranted an EHCP from Reception age. She’s been at the same small school all through. Now in Y6.

I am so glad we are almost at the point of leaving. Before I get into this I should say I work around education (but am not a teacher) and very much see the good the bad and the ugly when it comes to schools and how children with SEND are and are not assisted. I have seen and heard it all over the last few years, the genuine schools who try their best but cannot do what is needed and the ones who really don’t.

The school have been awful. The first year or two were not so bad (before I had trained fully, and knew better) I muddled along the best I could, ensuring that my child had the support she was supposed to. There was never a time when the school could not accommodate her and what she needed, and the funding was sufficient to cover it. However, there were many many times when they chose to do otherwise. We’ve had the odd lovely teacher, but they’ve never lasted long, a term or two.

By the time I’d realised that really it was not a great place with increasingly poor leadership, my child was firmly settled in and all advice we received (and my own instinct) said a move for her would be disastrous and increase the EBSA. So we’ve stuck it out.

Despite the challenges, my child is very bright and academically able. This year has been geared around preparing for SATS all of which my child has coped with and done well at, with us supporting her at home. However, when it’s come to it last week, she’s just crumbled. She did not want to do the SATS, she’d worked herself up into a right state. Hasn’t been helped by some actions taken at school.

DH and I discussed this, and we’ve always said if she can’t manage the SATS then we’d be happy for her not to sit them. The less formal tests they do always put her at 2y + in her learning. We have no concerns there and her secondary place was sorted out over a year ago due to having the EHCP, not that secondaries really bother with SATS results anyway.

So I contacted school on Monday and truthfully told them, as I always do, that she is having an episode of EBSA, it’s making her unwell, and that I’m not forcing her in. She saw the CAMHS psychologist last week too who agreed with our decision and I explained that. I said we’re happy for her to miss the SATS. I told them that she’ll be staying at home this week, that I was happy to ask her to complete work if they wanted me
to but that I don’t expect them to provide it, given how busy they will be and that if they can’t I will ensure that she completes some homework projects.

I have had several phone calls asking me to reconsider. Which started off as trying to guilt me into ‘think of her future, she needs to do these’ (no, she doesn’t). It culminated in the Head calling me to say that as her year group has only 10 children that her scores make up 10% of the schools results. They know she will very likely excel, and they can’t afford to lose her scores ‘after all the hard work they’ve put in with her over the years’

AIBU to tell them to get to fuck?! They’ve put me through absolute hell the last few years. They’ve lied, they’ve tried to gaslight me, they’ve ignored anything I’ve raised to them until professional documentation has forced their hands, they’ve made it so clear that they’d rather we left and never darkened their doorstep ever again with our pesky child who needs additional help. Despite all of this I have always been polite, calm, civil and professional (even though as a parent it’s really not on me to be professional).

This just takes the absolute biscuit though and I am furious. It’s not just me, I’m not just that one difficult parent. Most children with additional needs end up leaving for elsewhere because the parents just cannot deal with the schools behaviour. I’ve lost count of the number that’ve gone over the years. There’s a reason there’s only ten children (out of a possible eighteen!) left at the end of year 6.

AIBU??

Absolutely tell them to GTF. SATs results are just a measure of "how well" the school is teaching your children. Often schools spend time coaching the children on how to pass these exams. They do NOT benefit the kids and only cause huge amounts of unnecessary stress. All senior schools test the kids again to put them in sets. FWIW you're an excellent mum!