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To stop my son from presenting as Jewish at school

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Wonderberry · 13/05/2025 00:52

I really wish this wasn't the case.

My son wants to wear his kippah (skullcap) at school. This is entirely his choice, and something that he has chosen to start wearing recently. He just wants to express his religious and cultural background.

Unfortunately, I don't feel like he would be safe to do so. I hate that this is where we are at currently in the UK, but I know it is the reality. He goes to a community school in London, and doesn't understand why he cannot wear his kippah at school. On cultural days, he also cannot share his culture either.

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Anuta77 · 13/05/2025 18:48

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:42

This 'extreme type that feels all Jews deserve to suffer' is where you are making the leap from fact to fiction.
That is not what the protests are about. You are literally making this up. And your daughter will have the same anxieties and do the same because you are telling her to do so.

I don't have daughters and my children are half non Jewish and I do not raise them to publicly identify as Jewish either.
But I've seen so many hysterical pro-palestine individuals that I wouldn't risk to even telling them that I'm Jewish.
Have you seen a video of Australian muslim nurses (very stupid ones clearly) openly saying on social media that they have hurt Jewish patients? Luckily they were removed from their functions, but some others might be smarter and do it without advertising.
Anyway, work is not a place to display your political views on a region where you don't live.

DogBiscuitsInPocket · 13/05/2025 18:49

It’s interesting how many posters have never experienced intimidation and don’t possess the wit to imagine what that might feel like.
As an adult, I can make the decision to take the risk but as a mother my instinct is to protect my children. Always.

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/05/2025 18:47

There is a time and place to protest about Gaza and a thread posted by a Jewish woman worrying about her son being a target for antisemitic abuse is not it.

It is clearly antisemitic to insist on bringing up Gaza in this conversation.

I did not bring it up.
I responded to other posters offering the existence of these protests as evidence of the risk to this child wearing religious headwear.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 13/05/2025 18:49

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/05/2025 18:47

There is a time and place to protest about Gaza and a thread posted by a Jewish woman worrying about her son being a target for antisemitic abuse is not it.

It is clearly antisemitic to insist on bringing up Gaza in this conversation.

I agree. This thread should have focused on the OP's question and on her concerns for her 7yo son. Regardless of what we might think about what is happening in Gaza, it simply isn't relevant or appropriate to discuss it here.

CuttedPearPie · 13/05/2025 18:50

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:49

I did not bring it up.
I responded to other posters offering the existence of these protests as evidence of the risk to this child wearing religious headwear.

Do you know what's going on with this:

I guess i just dont understand the huge focus on Palestine from my secular western peers. There are genocides and atrocities happening the world over. What is it about Palestine that creates such a club-like feel? Why don't we have weekly free Ukraine rallies and marches?

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:50

DogBiscuitsInPocket · 13/05/2025 18:49

It’s interesting how many posters have never experienced intimidation and don’t possess the wit to imagine what that might feel like.
As an adult, I can make the decision to take the risk but as a mother my instinct is to protect my children. Always.

How do you know what intimidation people have experienced? My step daughter was physically attacked for the colour of her skin in the aftermath of the Southport killings and the riots.

That's an actual risk. Not nurses wearing free Gaza badges.

Comedycook · 13/05/2025 18:50

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:36

They want to raise awareness.
The assumption that you must be pro Israel because you are Jewish is definitely antisemitic.
The sharing images is not.

So if you think comments about Gaza on social media posts unrelated to the conflict , just with a Jewish theme, are just to raise awareness....how about real life?

Would you think it's acceptable for someone to walk past a Jewish person in the street going about their day to day business and say "free Palestine"? Would that be anti semetic or would that just be raising awareness?

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:52

CuttedPearPie · 13/05/2025 18:50

Do you know what's going on with this:

I guess i just dont understand the huge focus on Palestine from my secular western peers. There are genocides and atrocities happening the world over. What is it about Palestine that creates such a club-like feel? Why don't we have weekly free Ukraine rallies and marches?

Why are you asking me what thousands of protestors think?
Are you assuming because I'm not Jewish that I share the same thoughts as all non Jewish people?
Because there is a word for that...

Anuta77 · 13/05/2025 18:52

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:47

Because that is a symptom not the cause. If Palestine were not forcibly occupied and it's citizens being mistreated, there would be no motivation for a group like Hamas (and I absolutely condemn their actions) to exist.

Although I am not sure what this has to do with the headwear of a little boy.

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Just like we, as Jews, and I'm not even in the UK, don't understand what Hamas and Palestine have to do with our countries. Why are Jews being attacked because they don't like what's happening in that region?
And you clearly don't know what's going on in the Middle East either based on your symplistic description, but discussing this is not the place here.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/05/2025 18:53

Comedycook · 13/05/2025 18:50

So if you think comments about Gaza on social media posts unrelated to the conflict , just with a Jewish theme, are just to raise awareness....how about real life?

Would you think it's acceptable for someone to walk past a Jewish person in the street going about their day to day business and say "free Palestine"? Would that be anti semetic or would that just be raising awareness?

I'm pretty sure all Jewish people are already aware of Palestine.

It's not raising awareness, it's using Palestine as a stick to beat Jewish people with.

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:53

Comedycook · 13/05/2025 18:50

So if you think comments about Gaza on social media posts unrelated to the conflict , just with a Jewish theme, are just to raise awareness....how about real life?

Would you think it's acceptable for someone to walk past a Jewish person in the street going about their day to day business and say "free Palestine"? Would that be anti semetic or would that just be raising awareness?

I already said, twice, that selecting people to campaign at, based on the fact they are Jewish is anti semitic.
Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

Dangermoo · 13/05/2025 18:54

It's clear somebody is on a mission here. Leave them to it ladies x

DogBiscuitsInPocket · 13/05/2025 18:55

Sending solidarity OP

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/05/2025 18:53

I'm pretty sure all Jewish people are already aware of Palestine.

It's not raising awareness, it's using Palestine as a stick to beat Jewish people with.

I didn't say it was ok. The PP asked why they do this and I explained.
You are making sooo many assumptions even when I have written the exact opposite already.
You are showing a lot of prejudice here...

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/05/2025 18:57

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:55

I didn't say it was ok. The PP asked why they do this and I explained.
You are making sooo many assumptions even when I have written the exact opposite already.
You are showing a lot of prejudice here...

Prejudice against whom?

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:57

Dangermoo · 13/05/2025 18:54

It's clear somebody is on a mission here. Leave them to it ladies x

Gently, it is healthy sometimes to listen to, and consider viewpoints from outside the usual echo chamber (which we all have).

Ladies she's expressing a different viewpoint, quick run ...

Frozenbreadrolls · 13/05/2025 18:57

Comedycook · 13/05/2025 18:38

That's absolutely unbelievable that you think that it's not anti semetic. What other minorities do you think should be subject to this kind of behaviour?

That poster is perhaps the most ridiculous on this thread. And that's really saying something.

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/05/2025 18:57

Prejudice against whom?

Anyone who isn't saying that there are gangs of marauding free Gaza protestors waiting to attack the OPs son.

CuttedPearPie · 13/05/2025 18:58

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:52

Why are you asking me what thousands of protestors think?
Are you assuming because I'm not Jewish that I share the same thoughts as all non Jewish people?
Because there is a word for that...

Errrr, no. I'm just asking you for your personal opinion. Since we both decided to come on this thread and start dishing them out.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/05/2025 18:58

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:58

Anyone who isn't saying that there are gangs of marauding free Gaza protestors waiting to attack the OPs son.

Wow, that's a lot of people.

Give your head a wobble.

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:59

Anuta77 · 13/05/2025 18:52

Just like we, as Jews, and I'm not even in the UK, don't understand what Hamas and Palestine have to do with our countries. Why are Jews being attacked because they don't like what's happening in that region?
And you clearly don't know what's going on in the Middle East either based on your symplistic description, but discussing this is not the place here.

I did not raise the topic. It was offered multiple times before I came on the thread as the reason why the OP needs to fear for her child.

I am disputing that these protestors pose such a risk.

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 19:00

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/05/2025 18:58

Wow, that's a lot of people.

Give your head a wobble.

It is a lot of people. Exactly why some people need to give their head a wobble.

CuttedPearPie · 13/05/2025 19:00

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:42

This 'extreme type that feels all Jews deserve to suffer' is where you are making the leap from fact to fiction.
That is not what the protests are about. You are literally making this up. And your daughter will have the same anxieties and do the same because you are telling her to do so.

That is not what the protests are about

Wait, so you DO know what thousands of protesters are thinking?

Comedycook · 13/05/2025 19:01

CleverButScatty · 13/05/2025 18:53

I already said, twice, that selecting people to campaign at, based on the fact they are Jewish is anti semitic.
Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

But you said commenting about gaza on social media posts by Jewish content creators or about Jewish food or cookery for example...was just raising awareness.... didn't you?

Dangermoo · 13/05/2025 19:03

CuttedPearPie · 13/05/2025 19:00

That is not what the protests are about

Wait, so you DO know what thousands of protesters are thinking?

I think it's clear what they were thinking when they were intimidating diners at McDonalds, including children, chanting shame on you. Good job we weren't all born yesterday.

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