To stop my son from presenting as Jewish at school

[Wonderberry]

I really wish this wasn't the case.

My son wants to wear his kippah (skullcap) at school. This is entirely his choice, and something that he has chosen to start wearing recently. He just wants to express his religious and cultural background.

Unfortunately, I don't feel like he would be safe to do so. I hate that this is where we are at currently in the UK, but I know it is the reality. He goes to a community school in London, and doesn't understand why he cannot wear his kippah at school. On cultural days, he also cannot share his culture either.

No, all anti-semites don't support Palestine. I'm not sure how you can say that so confidently? There are many anti-semites on that far right who certainly don't support Palestine.

I feel completely neutral seeing people in any religious attire. I can't imagine how you come to feel any other way tbh.
I'm not naive that there are idiots out there who react negatively to the symbolism/attire of many religions.
Ignorance, bias due to the social conditioning they have grown up with etc I guess are the explanations.

Language is a bit problematic when we talk about discrimination. Not least because people try and use the language to play it down. For example claim Jewish hate doesn’t exist because Jewish people aren’t “semites”. Or “I’m not afraid of Muslim people”. I’ve seen it on MN. Fucking half wits.

When you say 'they', are you under the impression that it is the same group of people attending the free Gaza marches?
Or are you judging the many thousands who attended these marches by the small group of gobshites you describe.

No, they are too misguided and think they are helping. When in fact, they are displaying their ignorance. Political symbols should be banned from professions, particularly public facing roles. How to make a Jewish person feel like shit wearing those badges.

Are you seriously using Andrew Tate followers as a similar example to those who want to see an end to the occupation in Gaza.

Can you please try and see what a skewed lens you are viewing this through.

I don’t accept that wanting a free, peaceful and prosperous Palestine alongside a safe Israel is anti semitic.

Ah. So if they weren't misguided and mistaken in thinking they are helping...what viewpoint should they be taking of the conflict in Gaza?
Ease enlighten us (although I reckon I can guess)

Are you not going to answer my question @CleverButScatty ?

Personally I think France has got it right on religious symbolism.

They haven't answered any of mine either

Ooh sorry, didn't realise you were in charge of the thread and I couldn't dip in and out of conversation as I choose whilst cooking tea...

But tbh it's algorithms/notes etc on SM. it will be generated by what you are viewing etc.
Seems to be common re a lot of political stances these days.

And there will be ignorance, just like the poster up thread who thinks that if someone wears a Free Gaza badge they are likely to be anti semitic... There will be equally brainwashed/ignorant people who unfairly assume that because you are Jewish you support Israel's actions and want you to rethink this.

Thought that was obvious tbh...

France has high levels of racism. Islamophobia and antisemitism are very bad. Have a look at some of the politicians.
This is not about religion.

I'm so sorry for you and your son OP. What on earth has our country become? I've recently cut off a "friend" who expressed anti Jewish sentiment. Of course your son's safety must come first but I hope he can find a way to express his cultural and religious background.

They can have whatever view they want but they shouldn't be openly displaying that. It is a political issue and it's showing a lack of thought for the bigger picture. Choose a side all you want but don't flaunt that in the face of patients. It's also unprofessional.

Yeah I agree. I am not in any way religious but strongly feel people should be able to express their faith in any way that doesn't impact negatively on others.

That wasn’t the point I made.

OP, I no longer wear my Magen David outside the house. Your son needs to be kept safe, indeed he needs to understand why it is a Jewish imperative to protect life first and foremost.

This thread reveals (yet again) the really shallow understanding of antisemitism - indeed of all forms of racism. Antisemitism wasn't invented in 1939, then went for a nice long sleep until reinvented by Gaza. It isn't created by allowing religious symbols in schools, or by mass migration, or by the woke left. It may find excuses but it doesn't need them. It isn't the mirror image of anti-black racism and shouldn't have to be to be recognised. It's not all about Muslims (a special feck off for those of you using this thread to indulge your Islamophobia).

One of the most important things to understand about antisemitism is that it endures through shape-shifting. Over the years Jews have been castigated as too left wing, too right wing, too rich, too poor, too black, too white, too radical, too establishment, too clannish, too integrated (hiding for nefarious reasons). Contemporary events like Gaza are often cited as reasons, but they're just the latest pegs. Do not kid yourselves that antisemitism would pack its bags if Netanyahu were in prison or the UK stopped all immigration. The best time for Jews is always when countries are happy and prosperous, and the worst times are always when societies are struggling and divided and a scapegoat is needed. Read up on this, understand it deeply, and you will be a far better ally to Jews but also to other racialised minorities.

People can express their views in an appropriate way. If it opposes your view that can be uncomfortable, but none of us should be able to go through life feeling our views are unquestionable or that we should be 'protected' from those that disagree.

But you didn't answer the question did you? Why would someone see a post on social media about Jewish food and comment underneath it 'free Palestine '.?

I think it is mostly because (a) those people are very quick to call a war against a vile terrorist organisation which has embedded itself in the civilian population due to the civilian casualties which are inevitable in every war a genocide and (b) they do not have the same energy for the genocidal acts which were committed on October 7th when those terrorists invaded Israel for the express purpose of killing, kidnapping, raping and terrorising Jews. If these people cared about innocent lives and what they call genocide as opposed to criticising Israel then they would also have placards about Hamas and their atrocities. But they don’t.

Sorry to derail your thread, OP but the apologism gets me!

But in life we don't express our views whenever and wherever do we? We use our brains and apply some critical thinking about whether it's appropriate.

And we don't need to express our political opinions all the time do we? We can leave it out of the workplace

Well that takes us back to the OP's son. He should be able to express his religious beliefs but he can't, can he?

I am absolutely certain I did but will repeat myself.

Just like their is a poster upthread who assumes that wearing a free Gaza badge means you are likely to be antisemitic, people wrongly make assumptions that all Jews will support Israel's actions.
They are then posting (either individually or by programming bots etc) to post on Jewish related content so it reaches their intended audience with the intention of changing their viewpoint.

Do you need me to explain this even more simply a third time?

A million percent yes.

And if there are racist idiots who make that risky that is beyond abhorrent.

This is completely unconnected to ordinary folk going on marches to protest the atrocities in Gaza.
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