Do phalloplasties actually work?

[SilverTapz]

After wondering about this for a while, I ended up searching phalloplasty online and ended up on a Reddit page where people post their progress. I had never seen one before an was curious, I guess. It was actually quite shocking. People with what looks like no muscle left on their forearms, someone with a necrotic 'scrotum', someone where the stitches were wide open and the tip has turned black and left a gaping hole etc etc. People seem to be commenting saying that they look great, they've made the right decision etc, but honestly they look absolutely butchered. It's scary. And I guess my question is, do they actually function? Some of these people are so young and it's scary what they've done to their bodies. I can't help but think a lot of them will regret the decision. Is it mainly cosmetic? Can they orgasm? Honestly just very shocked by what I've seen!

Again, WHO CARES??? It's from MEN. It doesn't matter what they're wearing. They...are.....MEN!!!

Here you summsried your argument perfectly well. People who want bigger breasts aren't mentally ill. People who want to change sex are. Very definite and black and white.

Men aren't dressing as women to harassment women, therefore arguments that they will start to present or identify as women to increase harassment are void.

The actual issues are around capacity, consent, and protecting gendered spaces where privacy and health are concerned. Like wards, and sports.

What on earth are you on about? The internet is full of trans identified men declaring they will ignore the law and continue to invade women’s spaces including vulnerable women on hospital wards, women locked up in prison with male rapists, gils being forced to undress in front of boys. Plus women taking their employers to court for harassment and sexual discrimination due to being forced to get undressed in front of men who simply announce they identify as women. For example:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14698557/I-begged-bosses-not-let-trans-nurse-invaded-changing-room-intimate-operation-refused-didnt-want-hurt-feelings.html

I didn’t mention toilets but I am not sure why you think it ok to dismiss the victims of male sexual assault in females toilets or the school girls getting infections from holding on all day rather than use mixed sex toilets because of male behaviour. Your attitude to female victims of sexual assault and harassment is shocking.

People who don't believe getting bigger breasts will change their sex are not mentally ill.
People who believe getting bigger breasts will change their sex are mentally ill.

I'd much rather focus on the issues around the subject that are a cause for concern and that's what I and the groups I'm associated with do, and that's how we have.madr the progress we have. Not by muddying the waters with myths and scaremongering.

Most harassment to men and girls isn't coming from men dressed as women

Is not a reason to dismiss the harassment that is.

The surgeries have little impact on the rights of women

Little impact is not no impact, and “little” is arguable.

I'd focus purely on the individual mental capacity of people to consent to such surgery. That's where the ethical issues lie.

This is at least partly true, though there are additional ethical issues to do with the rights of women and girls to safety, privacy and dignity, as we have to repeat over and over again.

So the only way someone who wants massive tits could be mentally ill, is if they think it will change their sex?

No.

It is that every aspect of this fallacious belief adversely affects women and girls.

So this 'didn't happen' then. Goodo.

I get it, you don’t think women’s safety, or women getting assaulted are ‘a cause for concern’. I presume your groups are men’s rights activists?

Just to be clear, you consider this is not a cause for concern?

Is the Sandie Peggie court case a ‘myth’ too?

The whole.toilet issue is a complete red herring

No, as you would realise if you gave it a second’s thought:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

No, and you'd feel ridiculous for saying that if you knew what groups I meant or what position I hold there.

Let's just say I'm far more versed and involved with preventing young people from making life changing choices around their gender than you are.

You have no clue what I do.

What is a MN thread going to show me?

I'd prefer actual peer reviewed research from the thousands of not millions of people we have studied around this issue. Do you have any of that?

You see most of our research showed that the women of the general public do not fear mixed sex toilets and don't mind transwomen using them. So that's why we concluded that the whole toilet thing really wasn't going to change any minds. Talk about consent and capacity did change minds.

And now we have clarification.

I can tell by the things you bring up. You might talk about this lots online, and in here, but you aren't involved on any formal level other than signing protests. If you were, you'd know what we have concluded at an organising level is relevant to these issues arta socio-political level and what isn't..

So repeatedly derailing a thread examining the brutal experimental surgery done on mentally vulnerable young women is because you are "associated with" certain groups.

Your arguments have repeatedly attempted to attribute to posters views about cosmetic surgery that they haven't expressed. Your desperation to silence this discussion by wedging in unrelated issues is apparent.

You are making blanket statements that simply don’t even stand with basic scrutiny.

It may be that some male people are not presenting as women to harass women, but this is not true for all. And I would not have the confidence of saying even that the majority are not doing it in some way to transgress the boundaries of female people.

Any male being in single sex space that is not for them is transgressing boundaries to their own benefit. This is a measure of the success of their campaign to lower boundaries to be in spaces that they should be excluded from. Some people don’t recognise when their boundaries are being breached and when they should be alarmed.

There was recently a thread where a father wished to feed their infant child the secretions from their breast and attend a breastfeeding support group. The space does not have to be a toilet, it can be any space.

Not to mention that those very male people who are there for the purpose of transgressing boundaries want some degree of alarm response from others. That is part of why they transgress boundaries. Even if it is a microagression on the female person's part of looking closely at the male person who shouldn't be there.

Even if there is no alarm reaction, the thrill of the transgression of the boundaries to be where they know they should not be may be strong.
Male people with sex offence history too often show a long history of not being caught or challenged in their build up to committing serious offence. Of course, this is not to say that all male people are like that. Or all male people with transgender identities are like that.

However, this type of thinking, the one that says to overlook the male people crossing boundaries, allows the person crossing boundaries to keep going and to go further.

We can see from your dismissal of women and girls and their safety, privacy and dignity what you think is relevant to these issues and what you think isn’t.

Research a few years back (I think 2020) showed that it isn't a criminal issue.

Your 'research' is dodgy, because poll after poll after poll shows the overwhelming majority of women support the retention of female only single sex spaces. No woman is going to say she feels comfortable with a male exposing his penis to her in a female only space. That's common sense.

"You see most of our research showed that the women of the general public do not fear mixed sex toilets and don't mind transwomen using them. So that's why we concluded that the whole toilet thing really wasn't going to change any minds. Talk about consent and capacity did change minds".

Gendered Intelligence maybe? Gires? Stonewall? Mermaids? All currently desperate as they watch their immensely successful grift drifting away?
Explains the level of flailing and wailing in so many posts.

I bet you won’t link that research now will you?