Do phalloplasties actually work?

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After wondering about this for a while, I ended up searching phalloplasty online and ended up on a Reddit page where people post their progress. I had never seen one before an was curious, I guess. It was actually quite shocking. People with what looks like no muscle left on their forearms, someone with a necrotic 'scrotum', someone where the stitches were wide open and the tip has turned black and left a gaping hole etc etc. People seem to be commenting saying that they look great, they've made the right decision etc, but honestly they look absolutely butchered. It's scary. And I guess my question is, do they actually function? Some of these people are so young and it's scary what they've done to their bodies. I can't help but think a lot of them will regret the decision. Is it mainly cosmetic? Can they orgasm? Honestly just very shocked by what I've seen!

Many people think cosmetic surgery will do the impossible. Trans people aren't alone on that whatsoever.

The discussions on here fall into three main categories:

• How to preserve and implement the rights of women, and points of law
• How to protect children and vulnerable people from undergoing unnecessary and damaging medical interventions
• Accounts of the harassment and abuse of women and girls, and what can be done to stop it

None of these are “arguments against trans people”.

You are talking about different levels of “impossible”. Thinking that a boob job will make you more attractive, and happier, is one thing. Thinking a double mastectomy will turn you into a man is another thing entirely, a material impossibility.

Of course, in either case, the person who undergoes the procedure may or may not feel happier as a result, and may or may not suffer ill effects as a result of the surgery. But neither will change sex, though one might expect to.

The main difference is that the one that thinks they have changed sex (in either direction) now thinks that they are entitled to claim the rights of the opposite sex, which in the case of a transwoman, can impact adversely on women.

Most harassment to men and girls isn't coming from men dressed as women. That's almost irrelevant to the issue.

The surgeries have little impact on the rights of women - in fact, you could argue allowing them would respect that women have the right to destroy themselves as they wish.

I'd focus purely on the individual mental capacity of people to consent to such surgery. That's where the ethical issues lie.

So your issue is about people thinking they've changed sex, not the consent and capacity problems?

You got that from what I said?

I said that people who think they can change their sex are mentally ill. People who want bigger breasts don't think they can change their sex, hence are not mentally ill.

I see absolutely no anti-trans arguments here, only feminist ones.

Whereas your posts are all anti-feminist and pro-men and pro mutilation.

If you think that, you haven't read any of my posts on these issues on the site. I'm against the problematic issues, not the people. That seems to be the difference. And I'm involved with these issues on quite a big scale too.

Saying that I'm "pro-mutilation" in this context is so far from the truth, that it just proves my point.

The issue is the reason either group wants it done. One wants it for beauty reasons, the other out of mental illness because they think they can change sex. It's about the motive and reason.

They don't actually think it will actually change their SEX though.

So you're only mentally ill if you want to change your sex, but not if you want size M boobs through surgery. Righty oh.

Most harassment to men and girls isn't coming from men dressed as women. That's almost irrelevant to the issue.

This is the prosecutors fallacy; because the risk of sharing a space with a trans identified man is small the risk from trans identified men is also small. But the fact that the overall number of trans identified men is small is irrelevant once you are sharing that space - at that point the only relevant statistic is the risk from a trans identified man, and the risk of being sexual assaulted is then between four and nine times higher than for other men. Though you don’t need to be sexually assaulted to be harassed; ignoring your boundaries and your privacy and dignity by entering a female only space and turning it mixed sex without your consent will already be enough.

Yes we understand that you think mental illness only consists of wanting to change your sex. We've got that.

Most harassment to men and girls isn't coming from men dressed as women.

Men dressed as women are still men. It doesn't matter what they wear, whether it be a dress, a suit and tie, or a football outfit. It's still....a.....man. Attire means one fifth of fuck all.

If you want M sized boobs you can get M sized boobs. They are not delusional. You can’t ever change your sex.

For any of that to make sense, you'd have to know that currently, zero men (trans or not) are sharing women's spaces and formally permitting them to would increase it. We don't know that.

The whole.toilet issue is a complete red herring and only serves to devalue your argument. The issues lie in consent, capacity, and things like wards and sports.

I've been reading this site for years. Arguing that mentally ill people shouldn't be preyed upon by unscrupulous doctors is NOT 'anti trans'. Saying that it is, is so far from the truth, that it just proves my point.

Now you're sealioning, and desperately so. A person who thinks they can literally change their sex with surgery is mentally ill. That's the point.

So because you can actually have M sized boobs by sticking things in them to blow them up, they're not mentally ill. Even though they could be malfucntional and deformed. But someone who wants malfucntional and deformed is definitely mentally ill?

Yeah that doesn't compute.

No I didn't say that at all. You're desperately flailing about now. It's sad to watch.

So why isn't someone who thinks they're more of a woman or a better woman with M sized boobs also mentally ill?

You have said that.

Nobody should be pretend upon by unscrupulous doctors. Maybe you're actually pro-trans because you actually only care about them and not the woman who knows she is a woman but is also preyed upon. Is that it?

No I didn't. My posts are there. Stop lying out of sheer desperation.

Yes but most harassment to women and girls isn't coming from men dressed as women, it's coming from men presenting as the sex they are.