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Is Mumsnet an English forum?

289 replies

Purpleturtle43 · 09/05/2025 11:16

Seems like pretty much every poster and responder assumes everyone on here is from England.

When asking questions regarding schools, health care, tenancy etc surely it would be useful to say what country you live in since the rules and laws are different all over the UK/world.

OP posts:
Coffeedreaming · 09/05/2025 12:46

Is this a bash the English thread?

🙄

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:48

nomas · 09/05/2025 11:41

It’s based in London, so I always assume that every one is referring to England when it comes to law, school holidays, house buying.

If people are out of England they should just say.

Mumsnet OFFICE is based in London.

Mumsnet online is available to a worldwide audience.

Facebook's main office is based in California.

Facebook online is available to a worldwide audience

Darkgreendarkbark · 09/05/2025 12:48

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:40

I think some of it might also be due to the fact that the UK is quite isolated after Brexit.

Isolation leads to people just thinking about their country, and not thinking sbout the rest of the world

I moved to the UK six months ago for work. I'm in a small city in the U.K. I went to a local hobby group and I was chatting to the locals. As a new face, they were asking me about myself. I said that i had done this particular hobby in a lot of different places, and that i really liked the hobby. They asked me where had I done it

I mentioned that in the last ten years, I had lived and worked in Hong Kong, Indonesia, Italy , France, Germany and Portugal.

They said "wow".

Not one of them had ever lived or worked outside of the UK. They had always lived in the UK
.
It made me realise how difficult it is for people in the UK to live in other countries. And how that can lead to an isolated way of living.

Sorry but this is nonsense. Most people don't go and live abroad, let alone in multiple countries, and they never have. You'd find the same in any small city in any country, unless it's a country where the people have a strong incentive to seek opportunities overseas. I was no fan of Brexit, but let's not pretend the average Brit, just ten years ago, was moving from one country to the next. And I don't see why Hong Kong and Indonesia would be especially difficult for Brits to emigrate to, compared to EU citizens.

Back to the OP... I don't even understand the premise of the question, really. It's a website founded in England by two Englishwomen. As it's a free website, anyone can join. What more do you need to know? Obviously if most users are English, that is the default whether you like it or not. When I've used American forums in the past (by which I mean started by Americans and mostly used by Americans), I haven't expected other users to magically know that I'm not from America.

Goldenbear · 09/05/2025 12:49

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:45

You do realise that people outside of the UK use mumsnet too, right?

Thats what world wide web means.

I was chatting to ladies from Canada, Denmark and Australia on a thread the other day.

That maybe so but they aren't default, I have Danish family and heritage from a couple of generations back, I don't know anybody who frequents Mumsnet, of course they do but they aren't the default audience.

rainbowunicorn · 09/05/2025 12:50

Yellowhammer09 · 09/05/2025 11:54

I'm so terrible sorry to exclude the 3.something million population from Wales and 1.9ish million in NI 😉 What about IoM, or the Channel Islands?

If you're in Scotland, NI or Wales then just say so in your OP, it'll help you get the correct answers.

What about them? Channel isle and IOM are not in the United kingdom.

nomas · 09/05/2025 12:51

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:48

Mumsnet OFFICE is based in London.

Mumsnet online is available to a worldwide audience.

Facebook's main office is based in California.

Facebook online is available to a worldwide audience

So what? It’s an English site.

Lovelysummerdays · 09/05/2025 12:51

I sort of assume English, although I’m Scottish, as statistically more likely. Mumsnet is predominantly UK users and the majority will be English. If I ask or offer advice and it’s relevant I mention I’m Scottish so I studied Scot’s law for example.

Goldenbear · 09/05/2025 12:51

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:48

Mumsnet OFFICE is based in London.

Mumsnet online is available to a worldwide audience.

Facebook's main office is based in California.

Facebook online is available to a worldwide audience

How long have you been on here as I have nearly been on here for 20 years and the legacy of Mumsnet being very British still lives on I think. It totally is influenced the narrative in a way that isn't relatable to Facebook where that is influenced by the individual.

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:53

Darkgreendarkbark · 09/05/2025 12:48

Sorry but this is nonsense. Most people don't go and live abroad, let alone in multiple countries, and they never have. You'd find the same in any small city in any country, unless it's a country where the people have a strong incentive to seek opportunities overseas. I was no fan of Brexit, but let's not pretend the average Brit, just ten years ago, was moving from one country to the next. And I don't see why Hong Kong and Indonesia would be especially difficult for Brits to emigrate to, compared to EU citizens.

Back to the OP... I don't even understand the premise of the question, really. It's a website founded in England by two Englishwomen. As it's a free website, anyone can join. What more do you need to know? Obviously if most users are English, that is the default whether you like it or not. When I've used American forums in the past (by which I mean started by Americans and mostly used by Americans), I haven't expected other users to magically know that I'm not from America.

Most people dont go and live abroad? Are you serious? Do you really have that little experience of the world? Your post is just showing me how truly isolated some people in the UK really are.

I've lived in loads of different countries in the last 10 years. This year I decided to come and work in the UK.

Last year I as working in Germany.
I'll give you a snapshot of some of my colleagues in Germany

One lady was from the Netherlands. She had moved to Germany for workm before Gemrany she had worked in Ireland for two years.
One man I worked with was from belgium. He had worked in spain and portugal and he was now working in Germany.
One man I worked with was from paris - he moved to germany for work. He had previously worked in Switzerland.
Another lady was from Norway. She had worked in Sweden and France and was now living and working in Germany.

Another2Cats · 09/05/2025 12:54

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:40

I think some of it might also be due to the fact that the UK is quite isolated after Brexit.

Isolation leads to people just thinking about their country, and not thinking sbout the rest of the world

I moved to the UK six months ago for work. I'm in a small city in the U.K. I went to a local hobby group and I was chatting to the locals. As a new face, they were asking me about myself. I said that i had done this particular hobby in a lot of different places, and that i really liked the hobby. They asked me where had I done it

I mentioned that in the last ten years, I had lived and worked in Hong Kong, Indonesia, Italy , France, Germany and Portugal.

They said "wow".

Not one of them had ever lived or worked outside of the UK. They had always lived in the UK
.
It made me realise how difficult it is for people in the UK to live in other countries. And how that can lead to an isolated way of living.

"I mentioned that in the last ten years, I had lived and worked in Hong Kong, Indonesia, Italy , France, Germany and Portugal."

That you have lived in so many different countries sounds great (I've only ever lived in the UK and one other country).
.

"It made me realise how difficult it is for people in the UK to live in other countries. And how that can lead to an isolated way of living."

But I would question you about this.

"Not one of them had ever lived or worked outside of the UK. They had always lived in the UK"

The same applies to most countries in the world. You mentioned the countries that you have lived and worked in during the past. Can I ask, just how many Germans, French, Italians etc have lived outside of their own countries?

I suspect that the number is no higher than the UK.

I don't know about Hong Kong but I would think the proportion of Hong Kongers who live abroad is much higher than for many other countries. But, even so, a very large percentage of Hong Kongers will likewise never have worked or lived abroad.

Darkgreendarkbark · 09/05/2025 12:56

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:53

Most people dont go and live abroad? Are you serious? Do you really have that little experience of the world? Your post is just showing me how truly isolated some people in the UK really are.

I've lived in loads of different countries in the last 10 years. This year I decided to come and work in the UK.

Last year I as working in Germany.
I'll give you a snapshot of some of my colleagues in Germany

One lady was from the Netherlands. She had moved to Germany for workm before Gemrany she had worked in Ireland for two years.
One man I worked with was from belgium. He had worked in spain and portugal and he was now working in Germany.
One man I worked with was from paris - he moved to germany for work. He had previously worked in Switzerland.
Another lady was from Norway. She had worked in Sweden and France and was now living and working in Germany.

If you genuinely believe that most of the world's citizens go and live abroad, I don't think we can have a sensible conversation.

And yes, I have lived abroad, and even shock have colleagues from abroad and/or who have worked in other countries. I would be barking mad if I thought that was evidence of typical global migration patterns.

Madcatdudette · 09/05/2025 12:58

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:53

Most people dont go and live abroad? Are you serious? Do you really have that little experience of the world? Your post is just showing me how truly isolated some people in the UK really are.

I've lived in loads of different countries in the last 10 years. This year I decided to come and work in the UK.

Last year I as working in Germany.
I'll give you a snapshot of some of my colleagues in Germany

One lady was from the Netherlands. She had moved to Germany for workm before Gemrany she had worked in Ireland for two years.
One man I worked with was from belgium. He had worked in spain and portugal and he was now working in Germany.
One man I worked with was from paris - he moved to germany for work. He had previously worked in Switzerland.
Another lady was from Norway. She had worked in Sweden and France and was now living and working in Germany.

So, if as you say, the UK is so isolated after Brexit: then you can fully understand why this site assumes the poster to be English, or if not totally ‘ignorant’ based somewhere in the UK?

HeartyOchreHelper · 09/05/2025 13:01

My joking from earlier aside - it’s not just the legal/school posts that are an issue, I do often see Scottish/Irish/Welsh posters in the Baby Name board that are looking for help with Scottish/Irish/Welsh names.

A lot of “I’ve never heard of that name!” “I don’t know how to pronounce that name!” “It sounds like [insert word] to me!” “They’ll have to spell it out all their life!” “How about [boring English name]? Much nicer!” the follows and it is actually rude.

As a PP said, a lot of cultural differences too that people totally ignore.

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 13:01

Darkgreendarkbark · 09/05/2025 12:56

If you genuinely believe that most of the world's citizens go and live abroad, I don't think we can have a sensible conversation.

And yes, I have lived abroad, and even shock have colleagues from abroad and/or who have worked in other countries. I would be barking mad if I thought that was evidence of typical global migration patterns.

Definitely more people move around in the EU and live in other countries, then people in the UK do.

Because people in the EU have more freedom of movement. Thats a fact. I'm not saying that Brexit is right or wrong, but we can all agree that Brexit has limited the freedom of movement of people in the UK. That was part of the deal.

That is what people agreed to as terms of Brexit.

When I was working in Germany, all of my colleagues had lived and worked abroad.

In my workplace in the UK, none of my colleagues have lived or worked abroad.

It is a more isolated culture here.

Justforthisoneithink · 09/05/2025 13:02

It’s uk based. I wouldn’t go on an American based or French based forum and expect them to explain that they’re in the USA/France for the benefit of the few who aren’t. If you don’t like the UK-centric references then don’t use a UK forum.

Goldenbear · 09/05/2025 13:03

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 12:40

I think some of it might also be due to the fact that the UK is quite isolated after Brexit.

Isolation leads to people just thinking about their country, and not thinking sbout the rest of the world

I moved to the UK six months ago for work. I'm in a small city in the U.K. I went to a local hobby group and I was chatting to the locals. As a new face, they were asking me about myself. I said that i had done this particular hobby in a lot of different places, and that i really liked the hobby. They asked me where had I done it

I mentioned that in the last ten years, I had lived and worked in Hong Kong, Indonesia, Italy , France, Germany and Portugal.

They said "wow".

Not one of them had ever lived or worked outside of the UK. They had always lived in the UK
.
It made me realise how difficult it is for people in the UK to live in other countries. And how that can lead to an isolated way of living.

You haven't said what 'small city' you moved to but being in the south east and originally a Londoner, this isn't my or my DH'S or friends experience. I grew up in West and South London and even then it was very, very, multicultural. Most of out friends have worked in Hong Kong and returned. I have Danish family and visit their quite a bit, in fact everybody I know travels for work including DH and this Island outlook is not something we can relate to at all, it wasn't a feature of youth even, let alone now!

Darkgreendarkbark · 09/05/2025 13:03

Arina22 · 09/05/2025 13:01

Definitely more people move around in the EU and live in other countries, then people in the UK do.

Because people in the EU have more freedom of movement. Thats a fact. I'm not saying that Brexit is right or wrong, but we can all agree that Brexit has limited the freedom of movement of people in the UK. That was part of the deal.

That is what people agreed to as terms of Brexit.

When I was working in Germany, all of my colleagues had lived and worked abroad.

In my workplace in the UK, none of my colleagues have lived or worked abroad.

It is a more isolated culture here.

Edited

I think you are vastly overestimating how much UK citizens lived abroad before Brexit.

Seagullsandsausagerolls · 09/05/2025 13:04

latetothefisting · 09/05/2025 12:43

where in NI is only 4 miles from Scotland? Not being pedantic, I genuinely find it interesting, I know there are parts that are very close but didn't realise it was that close!
Google says the smallest gap is 12 miles between Torr Head and Mull of Kintyre

Whoops I'm just under 12 miles. It comes up as local on Facebook buy and sell sites and on Google chip shops near you etc. I have a brilliant view on a lovely day. I'm also close to Isle of Man too

BrainWontWorkAnymore · 09/05/2025 13:04

B1indEye · 09/05/2025 11:39

The PP said British, I extended to the wider whole UK, I'm not stupid

But what about the British Isles? The UK is not whole…

quantumbutterfly · 09/05/2025 13:04

PuppiesProzacProsecco · 09/05/2025 12:15

I'm from NI and I honestly can't get het up about this. As PPs have said, the majority of the UK is English so it's no surprise it's the default.

I don't mind qualifying my posts with "I'm in Northern Ireland" when it's relevant - for example, school entry criteria or public transport threads. I think it would be a bit daft if I posted a thread about DH being a dick but qualified it with "I'm from NI though, so maybe that's relevant to me marrying a twat".

Plus I'm proud of where I come from so quite happy to tell people!

and tbf the mix of puppies, prozac and prosecco is going to influence your chill factor.

xanthomelana · 09/05/2025 13:06

I’m Welsh and assume that most people here are English and there’s not as many people here from countries outside of the UK. It’s not ignorant it’s just because MN is a British made forum and England has the most people living there. Even people living abroad tend to be ex pats from the UK. As someone pointed out unless it’s a question asking legal advice I don’t think it matters, if it’s a should I LTB thread then the same advice would stand no matter where you are from.

Justforthisoneithink · 09/05/2025 13:07

Purpleturtle43 · 09/05/2025 11:34

So it's a British Website but everyone should assume we are talking about England unless stated otherwise? 🤷🏼‍♀️🤣

Well that would make sense seeing as c80% of the UK population is in England.

fiveIsNewOne · 09/05/2025 13:07

Purpleturtle43 · 09/05/2025 11:54

I wasn't sure if it was a British website as it's .com not .co.uk. Assuming people are correct and it is a UK or British website I would think it would make sense for people to state which country they live in in the UK or Britain if the answers to the question will be influenced by it e.g. schooling, tenancy etc.

I am on a few Facebook forums for tenancy/landlords and posts are only approved if they state the country which makes sense to me.

But why?

I am not in the UK at all, but understanding that majority are people from England and therefore it becomes the default region unless stated otherwise took me five minutes.

You seem personally offended by the very existence of implicit/default option.

WhoDatDen · 09/05/2025 13:13

I would love it to list your country then it would disclose where those who whinge about Brexit are actually living.

JudgeJ · 09/05/2025 13:15

EverythingIsComputer · 09/05/2025 11:19

Add to this Ocado recommendations are useless outside of England and a little bit of Wales!

There are parts of England for which Ocado recommendations are useless too!