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To want to burn one of each Religious text today?

256 replies

JustMakingAPoint · 09/05/2025 07:54

Not because I hate or dislike them.

Not because I think burning books is good (I do not)

But because I should be able too. Because we have no Blasphemy laws and mean as it is, it’s not illegal and shouldn’t be.

And I want to do it to all of them to make the point it’s not about Islam, though it is provoked by today’s news.

This country is secular, blasphemy laws do not exist. And they shouldn’t.

if it takes every person burning a single religious book of their choosing to make the point - then I’m up for that.

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CurlewKate · 09/05/2025 09:18

Grammarnut · 09/05/2025 09:13

The government is bringing in (or has, not keeping up with this) new anti-Islamophobia laws - so one religion will be more protected than any other, even the religion that happens to be the state religion in the UK (the religion whose members are most frequently attacked across the globe). I disagree with blasphemy laws in general and this one in particular. But I am not into burning books. The context is that an autistic boy dropped or threw a koran and bent a page and his mother was made to grovel to the local mosque by the boys' school. I would not have done this (but my DS is not likely to be throwing korans or any other book about so not likely to be asked, either) and think the school was wrong to do this - and the mosque. The school should have issued a detention for throwing a book, which is dangerous, and that's it.
OTOH Muslims protested hugely about the content of a sex education kit some years ago, and they were right to protest. The kit in question sexualised children and taught things most of us would object to primary school children being taught - including gender woo. They were denounced as bigots.
So the government protects those who are prepared to commit violence over a book (surely a species of idolatry?) but thinks parents concerned their primary age children are taught they can change sex, or that butt plugs are a normal part of sexual activity for everyone, are bigots. SC ruling may mitigate some of this stuff, but not all.

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Can you link to some
details about this new law, please?

Tripleblue · 09/05/2025 09:20

We should be respectful of beliefs that eating porks won't land someone in heaven with 72 virgins?
Cows are sacred?
Trees are gods?
What next? Men are women? Freedom is slavery?
You should be able to mock whatever the fuck you want in a free society. That's the difference between the west and much of the rest or the world, is that we have freedom. Which is quickly going. Someone gets paid to promote this but the bleating don't get it and just bleat along.

BoredZelda · 09/05/2025 09:21

sgssmum · 09/05/2025 08:29

Uk? The Church of England has nothing to do with Scotland

Not entirely true.

But also, have you seen how in bed with the government the Church of Scotland is? People don’t seem to realise how much access the church has to supposedly non-denominational schools.

BoredZelda · 09/05/2025 09:22

CurlewKate · 09/05/2025 09:18

Can you link to some
details about this new law, please?

Blasphemy and Islamophobia are not the same thing.

SummerIce · 09/05/2025 09:23

AzurePanda · 09/05/2025 09:08

I agree with you OP, the right to offend is a vital part of free speech.

It is indeed, but a line is drawn when the offence is verging on inciting hatred.

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 09/05/2025 09:23

What's today's news?

tigerlady14 · 09/05/2025 09:28

weird, disrespectful, childish and also does not align with the point you’re trying to make - seems like you’re saying religious ideas should not be tolerated and should be destroyed, rather than any stance on blasphemy laws etc. just seems like you’re trying hard to be edgy and cause offence for the sake of it to be deliberately contrary

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 09/05/2025 09:29

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 09/05/2025 08:02

OOoh you're so edgy

I know right! Rock 'n' roll! 😂

@JustMakingAPoint Gonna smash a couple of deckchairs and crush a few grapes too! 🎸🍇🪑🪑

LikeWhoUsesTypewritersAnyway · 09/05/2025 09:29

tigerlady14 · 09/05/2025 09:28

weird, disrespectful, childish and also does not align with the point you’re trying to make - seems like you’re saying religious ideas should not be tolerated and should be destroyed, rather than any stance on blasphemy laws etc. just seems like you’re trying hard to be edgy and cause offence for the sake of it to be deliberately contrary

Yeah, this too! ^

Lovingthehamsterwheel · 09/05/2025 09:31

I am an athiest, but don't be ridiculous. What a way to insight violence and upset half the world. People should be free to beleive what they like.

Cluborange666 · 09/05/2025 09:32

Religion is a curse. If we could embrace rationality and decency instead of, the world would be so much better.

MellowCritic · 09/05/2025 09:35

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 09/05/2025 07:58

I'm an atheist. I think religion can cause a lot of problems, but I'm not sure how non-believers deliberately seeking to disrespect believers is going to help.

See there it is. Someone who doesn't believe in God talking sense and being fair and kind... that's what religion is meant to be (all) but sadly not the case in the real world.

TheWombatleague · 09/05/2025 09:37

Given that all the Abrahamic religions are hostile to every other religion and those of no faith, perhaps we should start with them if we're looking for tolerance.

Religious intolerance is a traditional British value, going back at least as far as slaughtering druids through to the reformation and still celebrated most Saturdays in Glasgow.

Religion isn't the opium of the people, it's the crack cocaine.

Tomatotater · 09/05/2025 09:39

BoredZelda · 09/05/2025 09:22

Blasphemy and Islamophobia are not the same thing.

I do kind of agree with the Islamophob8a point. People are already protected against discrimination on the grounds of religious belief by the Equality Act and by incitement laws. We should not have additional specific laws against Islamophobia. It is a backdoor way of bringing in Blasphemy laws. Islamic fundamentalists will absolutely use this to harrass and threaten teachers and anyone else who disagrees with them. They are very good already at influencing and rallying groups of people to cause trouble. Mostly to the detriment of other Muslims who may want to practice their religion more moderately but are harassed by these people, who are then bowed down to by non Muslims who think they are being ' progressive'

StupidBoy · 09/05/2025 09:40

In general, the sort of people who go in for burning stuff in public (effigies, their captured enemies, photos of people they don't like, flags of countries they don't like, literature that frightens them, piles of tyres) as a way of making their point are usually deranged nutters with backward ideologies or protectionist French farmers who don't understand how the EU works but still want the subsidies so it's not a group I'd be particularly keen to join.

I take your point about the blasphemy and Islamophobia laws, but what good will doing something deliberately inflammatory do? Do you want be the catalyst that incites an ideological lunatic to go and behead someone? Do you want to live your life in hiding like that school teacher in Batley, just to prove a point?

We should really just ignore them, not engage them in pointless conflict with people who can't be reasoned with. Your energies would be better spent campaigning for the government to change their minds about stupid laws that are not compatible with British values, not winding up the idiots who want their own rights to freedom of expression but are fundamentally opposed to everyone else's.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 09/05/2025 09:41

Your energies would be better spent campaigning for the government to change their minds about stupid laws

this

if you don’t like a law campaign to get it changed

KimberleyClark · 09/05/2025 09:42

The Nazis burned books OP. Anything they didn’t agree with, anything by Jewish, communist, socialist authors. Just saying.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 09/05/2025 09:43

Surprise surprise one post wonder OP

EasternStandard · 09/05/2025 09:43

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 09/05/2025 09:23

What's today's news?

Wondering too

4FoxxSake · 09/05/2025 09:44

Book burning how very Third Reich.

CraneBeak · 09/05/2025 09:47

Books are for reading, not burning.

Davros · 09/05/2025 09:47

I thought you were going to burn an example of each “holy book”, e.g. the Torah, L. Ron Hubbard’s diary or whatever. I didn’t know it was specifically the Koran.

LaurelAvenue · 09/05/2025 09:48

So which ones are going to be consigned to the flames?

The Bible, The Koran,The Vedas, The Book of Mormon, The Torah, Avesta, Adi Granth, Tao Te Ching, any more?

You'd be hard pushed to get copies of some of those never mind putting a match to them 🙄

Clinicalwaste · 09/05/2025 09:51

Maybe just have a nice glass of wine and a sit down eh lovey. Leave the mass book burning to another day.

Stressmode · 09/05/2025 09:52

There was a group of dudes in the 40s who were pretty keen on burning books…