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Evacuation wouldn’t happen now would it?

167 replies

Bellavida99 · 08/05/2025 21:02

Just watching about evacuation. I initially thought that definitely wouldn’t happen now. But then I remembered how we all did as we were told during Covid even when it meant not visiting relatives etc and I wonder if it could happen

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justasking111 · 09/05/2025 10:14

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/05/2025 10:03

I don't think Teams will work particularly well following an electromagnetic pulse, tbh.

True.

emmatherhino · 09/05/2025 10:25

Weidly enough i was having this convo last week. My family live in thr midlands. I live in semi rural Wales. They'd all come here if there was a war and bunk up with us.

Hufflemuff · 09/05/2025 10:27

If possible I'd like to think I'd escape on a plane with my family to Thailand or somewhere else where its tropical, neutral and cheap to live! I'd book a holiday and stay illegally!

5128gap · 09/05/2025 12:26

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/05/2025 10:03

I don't think Teams will work particularly well following an electromagnetic pulse, tbh.

The poster I was responding to wasn't referencing nuclear war. That would obviously make a lot of the concerns and comments on here somewhat moot.

justasking111 · 09/05/2025 13:59

Hufflemuff · 09/05/2025 10:27

If possible I'd like to think I'd escape on a plane with my family to Thailand or somewhere else where its tropical, neutral and cheap to live! I'd book a holiday and stay illegally!

Civilian flights will cease I think

SunnySideDeepDown · 09/05/2025 14:51

5128gap · 09/05/2025 08:51

Would it? My grandmother sent 4 children out of London to the countryside in WW2. The night before she had had to push them under the table to protect them in the event the roof fell in. Her desire to be with them mattered less to her than their lives. People didn't 'lose' their children to evacuation, they were saved. As it happens my dad remembered his evacuation it as a very happy time. Though I realise this wasn't the case for all, he recalls eating well, fresh air and so on.

I also have family who were on the kinder transport. She never got over being separated from her family. It literally affected her until she died.

lnks · 09/05/2025 15:28

What show is this?

BMW6 · 09/05/2025 15:39

emmatherhino · 09/05/2025 10:25

Weidly enough i was having this convo last week. My family live in thr midlands. I live in semi rural Wales. They'd all come here if there was a war and bunk up with us.

  1. They'd be among millions on the roads so going nowhere fast
  1. Other people would get to your place in Wales long before your family. You'd be literally fighting off intruders. In waves. Endlessly.
5128gap · 09/05/2025 15:49

SunnySideDeepDown · 09/05/2025 14:51

I also have family who were on the kinder transport. She never got over being separated from her family. It literally affected her until she died.

I'm sorry to hear that. It was a terrible time for everyone to be sure.

LakieLady · 09/05/2025 17:29

GlidingSquirrels · 08/05/2025 21:55

https://timewitnesses.org/evacuees/~sheelagh.html

There are countless stories of neglect and abuse. Many of the families took the children in for the financial support and many were malnourished, along with mental and physical abuse being common.

My father and his brother were among them.

The entire family decamped from London to Tunbridge Wells, but the only house they could get was too small for all of them, so the two oldest were sent to live with another family nearby. They ended up stick thin, incredibly underweight, and after a year or two they all moved back London.

The house where grandmother and the youngest 4 lived was just along the road from where my SIL moved to 70-odd years later.

My father and his elder brother went to a school that was evacuated from London to Oxfordshire, and it became a boarding school for most of the war. They spent much of the war away from the family.

emmatherhino · 09/05/2025 19:32

BMW6 · 09/05/2025 15:39

  1. They'd be among millions on the roads so going nowhere fast
  1. Other people would get to your place in Wales long before your family. You'd be literally fighting off intruders. In waves. Endlessly.

Cool.

They'd get here.

And no one else would be coming in my house. Just them.

Sadcafe · 09/05/2025 19:34

God forbid there’s ever a need, but I imagine it would happen without people having to be ordered to do it, mass exodus from the cities

justasking111 · 09/05/2025 20:17

BMW6 · 09/05/2025 15:39

  1. They'd be among millions on the roads so going nowhere fast
  1. Other people would get to your place in Wales long before your family. You'd be literally fighting off intruders. In waves. Endlessly.

There would be martial law, road blocks, armed police, army. Which is what happened to friends during COVID believe it or not.

sashh · 10/05/2025 08:14

SunnySideDeepDown · 09/05/2025 08:34

Would it? Losing my children through evacuation and not knowing they were safe and potentially never being reunited is the most unimaginatively hard thing I can think of. It wouldn’t be the last thing on my mind at all!

We need to make sure this doesn’t happen. We need to hope and encourage society to settle. For kindness and tolerance to prevail over bitterness and power hungry old men.

That's because you have never been in the situation where you have to make that choice. And you probably can't even think about why you would make that choice.

If you were on the first floor of your house, there is a fire on the ground floor and someone outside tells you to throw your child out the window to them, you would do it, because that is the better choice.

Throwing a child to a complete stranger is not usually a good idea but sometimes it is the best of a series of bad ideas.

x2boys · 10/05/2025 08:32

emmatherhino · 09/05/2025 19:32

Cool.

They'd get here.

And no one else would be coming in my house. Just them.

Depends on what kind of war I suspect it we ever have another world war it would be nuclear ,and then you would either die, in the first blast or if you didn't it would be every man for themselves
In the film threads ,when they knew war was likely everyone tried to get to the countryside as they thought it would be safer,and the roads were gridlocked, obviously that was just a film but I can imagine
People behaving like that IRL.

x2boys · 10/05/2025 08:41

It was a very different time in the second world war and the cities took, the worst of it ,my Grandparents took in two evacuees they lived in a village in Lancashire ,whilst it a wsnt exactly rural ,the nearest city was Manchester about 20 miles away
There must of been parts of the UK that were barely affected by the war,well.away from the bombings, I know every body would have been affected from rationing.

sashh · 11/05/2025 05:01

@x2boys
Everyone being effected by rationing was a bit of a myth. Yes the ordinary people were in the same boat (more of that in a bit) but if you had a country estate you could keep everything you grew / shot / caught.

Fish was not rationed. So if you lived on the coast with a fishing fleet you could buy what was available. This led to people from inland areas taking a day trip to port towns if they didn't have a 'wet' fish shop.

Badbadbunny · 11/05/2025 06:17

londongirl12 · 08/05/2025 21:20

I think war would be so different now. There wouldn’t be hundreds of bombers flying overhead. Just one plane dropping a nuclear bomb. Absolutely terrifying.

Look at Ukraine! Look at Israel, Syria, Iraq, India/Pakistan. Not bombers overhead, but missiles and drones. Nuclear would be last resort.

Alexandra2001 · 11/05/2025 06:35

Do people really spend endless hours worrying about things that wont happen?

Russia cannot even defeat a relative small country like Ukraine, there is no other realistic threat to the UK.... though Reform do seem to want conflict with France....

The real threats to the UK come from ourselves & the idiotic things we do as a nation and as individuals.

YellowOrangePink · 11/05/2025 06:40

emmatherhino · 09/05/2025 19:32

Cool.

They'd get here.

And no one else would be coming in my house. Just them.

How many people are you willing to kill to be sure of that?

Alexandra2001 · 11/05/2025 07:34

This is exactly what i mean... people saying they'll stop the mob coming to their house and others saying you'd need to kill them all...

I mean how?

How many of us have a selection of rifles and ammunition? plus if this scenario ever was to play out, what happens when you go back out to get food/water.... you think the mob wont also have weapons?

Fucking ridiculous.

justasking111 · 11/05/2025 08:14

sashh · 11/05/2025 05:01

@x2boys
Everyone being effected by rationing was a bit of a myth. Yes the ordinary people were in the same boat (more of that in a bit) but if you had a country estate you could keep everything you grew / shot / caught.

Fish was not rationed. So if you lived on the coast with a fishing fleet you could buy what was available. This led to people from inland areas taking a day trip to port towns if they didn't have a 'wet' fish shop.

Farming family in Cheshire had no food shortages they had plenty of meat, vegetables, milk, eggs. Another relative took home a slaughtered pig once for the family.

SunnySideDeepDown · 11/05/2025 09:38

sashh · 10/05/2025 08:14

That's because you have never been in the situation where you have to make that choice. And you probably can't even think about why you would make that choice.

If you were on the first floor of your house, there is a fire on the ground floor and someone outside tells you to throw your child out the window to them, you would do it, because that is the better choice.

Throwing a child to a complete stranger is not usually a good idea but sometimes it is the best of a series of bad ideas.

How does someone know what’s going to happen to them in war? Civilians aren’t guaranteed to die or be directly affected. In a fire, you know you’ll burn to death. In war, it may not be heavily affecting your area, it may end soon, you may find a way to escape together. Millions of people are still living in Ukraine, for example, many still healthy and living as families. Many mothers and children moved countries to escape. How many children do you know who came on their own?

Its a massive safeguarding risk and I’m genuinely not sure which is better, a quick death or a childhood of abuse and being separated from your loving family and all the long term mental health issues that will undoubtedly cause. There are lots of bad people out there, my job is to keep my kids safe.

asrl78 · 11/05/2025 09:52

SuperTrooper14 · 08/05/2025 21:22

Considering the next world war would most likely be a nuclear-level event, I’d want my DC to stay with me and their dad in London. Better to be together in the blast zone than them waiting for the poisonous cloud to reach them in the countryside knowing we were already dead.

If we had a nuclear war, we're either all dead or the survivors will wish they were dead, so all that is irrelevant.

I see no logic in worrying about a fatal but extremely unlikely event none of us can do anything about. At worst, it will wreck your mental health.

asrl78 · 11/05/2025 09:56

BMW6 · 09/05/2025 15:39

  1. They'd be among millions on the roads so going nowhere fast
  1. Other people would get to your place in Wales long before your family. You'd be literally fighting off intruders. In waves. Endlessly.

No-one is fighting off intruders in waves. It is living in the realms of fantasy to think that one family can hold back a crowd of hundreds or thousands of desperate people. You'll fight them off for a few minutes then get overwhelmed and killed.