Evacuation wouldn’t happen now would it?

[Bellavida99]

Just watching about evacuation. I initially thought that definitely wouldn’t happen now. But then I remembered how we all did as we were told during Covid even when it meant not visiting relatives etc and I wonder if it could happen

Mum was evacuated , she gained more aunties

My granny and grandad were working class, living in london along the the river ( what was Wandsworth ). Grandad was a protected worker so had to stay, granny was a HW, they did what they felt was right - protect their children. Seeing as I was born in 64 and still remember bomb sites, I feel they did the right thing

Us in the UK, living in cities, sent our children to the country - away from industry which was being bombed. When for the most, the rules of war fare were followed ...... ( choke )

Those parents in Europe were fighting to get their children on trains to us

Our next war , just say goodbye and go out and kiss your arse goodbye , who wants to survive a nuclear war?

And I dont think Im being dramatic. There's no national pride , we dont fight for what we believe in, we have lost sight of that, being so ready to apologise for centuries of history. We allow ourselves to to be tied into deals around the world - they will come back to bite us

I do believe there will be a nuclear war. Because the generations that have come behind me, do not understand the horror of war . Ive been to Auschwitz and seen those 40 ish and below taking bloody selfies FGS . Its become a TIK Tok must go to for photo opportunities , not a place of remembrance of the atrocities of war

This was the 80th anniversary of the end of the Second World War in Europe. Very few veterans left to tell us, and we seem to have decided to forget

yes, pretty much the same thing.

I watched Threads and in this situation I'd rather be killed in the initial blast to be honest.

Oh Threads......that will stay with my until my last breath.

That and When the Wind Blows.

Both utterly traumatising for different reasons, but both felt true.

"social historian Juliet Gardiner stated “10 to 15 per cent of evacuees were abused physically, sexually or emotionally, and the NSPCC did bring a number of prosecutions for cruelty""

booksandideas.net/Operation-Pied-Piper-Britain-s-Forgotten-War-Children

No one made the parents send their kids away. I think people nowadays looking back make assumptions. Although the evacuation was highly planned and involved huge numbers of people and actually happened before the Germans dropped any bombs, it wasn't compulsory.
My dad was evacuated, my gran stayed in London for war work. Like everyone else she said. My grandad was KIA in 1939.
I always feel emotional watching the start of the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe because that shows clearly why children were moved from the cities. Although those kids should not have been there many were there after the bombing started. The British government and pretty much the whole adult population knew that the children needed to survive for our country to have a future. Just like the men had to fight and the women had to work. Gran said she remembered clearly that everyone knew they had a job and did it.
And it was a nazi government that started the war, a hard right party, which is where the threat still comes from in my opinion.

I think in this country we have no idea of what people are willing to do for the sake of actual survival.

Evacuation was a choice, not everyone did it. It was encouraged in order to save children but many parents wouldn't have wanted their children to be parted from them, or else mum would evacuate with the child if they could afford it.

Why is everyone so sure that another world war would involve us being nuked?

Russia hasn't nuked Ukraine.
Israel hasn't nuked Gaza.
India hasn't nuked Pakistan.
They all seem to be using fairly conventional weapons.

Using nuclear weapons is a bit of a high-risk strategy, for obvious reasons. We have MAD policies, and anyway the prevailing wind blows from the west so presumably parts of Russia would be contaminated by plumes of radioactivity. So wouldn't they be more likely to use conventional weapons instead?

It’s a null point, the nuclear war would start and country sides would be killed too. If anything you would want to be closer to the bombs for a quick death vs a long painful radiation poisoning.

Safest option would be highlands for UK

I don't think it was compulsory in WW2 anyway. My dad's family refused to go though I think they went to dad's nan for a bit (tiny house so not sure how that worked), and my mum went to stay with her extended family in Scotland (and got lashed when she came back for "talking like a heathen").

Threads was shown to yr6 at British forces schools in Germany in the 80s. 10 and 11 yr olds. 😳

Go where? Where has space for entire families to go, with home offices?

Evacuation to where?

My Dad was evacuated overseas to Canada from the UK. He didn't see his parents for the duration of the war.

DS (7) asked me about this a few weeks ago, not sure what made him think about it. I just said I'd do pretty much anything to keep us safe, whether that's moving back to Cornwall or leaving the UK. Thankfully my qualifications would make it fairly simple to live in Aus or NZ, so long as bombs weren't dropping there and we didn't leave it so late that there were no flights. DS then got upset because we wouldn't be able to take all his friends.

All my grandparents were adults in WWII so weren't evacuated. My mum's family lived in London and worked in munitions factories, my grandpa on my dad's side fought in north Africa and was taken POW then transported to Italy. He didn't like talking about it, I know from my dad that he saw some truly awful things and was forced to labour in the POW camp. He didn't like all the pomp of remembrance things and sold his medals to buy a camera. I won't wear red poppies because he didn't.

Laughing at those saying they'd go to Cornwall/Scotland.........

Millions of people would have the same idea.
Roads would be utterly gridlocked.

All properties far away from major cities would be seized and occupied by people nearest. First Come First Served as it were. Not just unoccupied properties of course - desperate people would attack those living there to get themselves in. Waving the Deeds at them won't get you anywhere. 999 would be engaged.

If you think you could load up your car and pootle off you're dreaming.

Not wanting to scare anyone, but there may be no notice to evacuate.

I do not think there will be a WW. Every country has too much to lose and could be devastated within minutes.

There's a lot of general turmoil at the moment with water companies etc and these earth quakes and volcano activity, so I think it's worth getting water and food/emergency supplies together anyway.

I don't think children would be evacuated alone due to time taken for DBS checks. Also more people can work from home so can move together. At the moment there are fewer children in London as it's too expensive for families to live there . There's big ethnic differences rather than class differences - most of the original working class Londoners moved out to essex

Oh, goodness, you're right. Couldn't possibly squeeze into someone's spare room with your DC to escape a possible bombing, because there wouldn't be a home office! What was I thinking?

Evacuate to where - some cavern deep underground?

In the event of a pending nuclear attack, I would hunker down at home with the pets and make like the dinosaur mummy.

Weirdly, my youngest talked about this the other day in science. She's just 13. For context she is in a military boarding school in Scotland. I live in SW Scotland.

The topic was more a less what would happen if a nuclear war kicked off. Teacher said he wouldn't run anywhere as there is no point. My DD pipes up, well my mum has googled the blast zones so she'd come get me 🤣 theoretically as we are rural we would survive..... however that accounts in having enough notice to go get her!

My house is 200yrs old and has built in shutters, I specified to exdh they remain in tact for the zombie apocalypse.

Killing myself laughing at the "work from home" thing! As if the internet would even still be available for the general public most of the time!

Seriously, you think that your job sending reports on the international manufacturing market will be of any fucking interest during an ACTUAL WAR?!

Do some reading, educate yourselves on the reality of what went on in WWII.

Clothes, food, medical care, defences. That was all that was focussed on. The essentials for life. So your 21st century Big Job wont matter a jot. You would be in manufacturing, making the things that are needed, caring for the ill and disabled or in active service. You would be conscripted to do it, as they were then, there was no "opt out". Thats it.

Careful young uns, your ignorance is showing.

London's the safest place to be from missiles. Like Kyiv, you have the Underground to shelter in. It would also be well protected.

You have to get a grip and stop worrying about something that's unlikely to happen. The papers talk it up as nuclear and such rubbish to get you to read it.

If you don't get a grip, your daughter will pick up on it, they always do and you don't want her worried, do you.

You’d come together and room would be found for you. You would be safe and find a way to manage.