To not be happy about paying this much tax

[Lovingthehamsterwheel]

Name changed to enable objectivity.
I just saw this new tax calculator that shows you how much tax you are paying in total, including all hidden taxes, council tax etc

For a Person on 75k a year, 44 percent of earnings go on tax.

10k of that is spent on welfare.

Am i being unreasonable to think this is absolutely a terrible time to be alive in terms of taxes in the UK. And it is no wonder higher earners are leaving the country.

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Don't you have pride in your country? Is it claptrap to have pride in your country?

I missed the memo on that

I also missed the memo where it was agreed that taxpayers fund non British people to live in Britain, but please do forward it on

It's like you think tax isn't real money. Call me a cynic but I'd suspect that's because you don't actually pay very much tax.

I feel like people should declare on this thread whether they are a net contributor or not

Makes your stance very very different

You sound angry ( and irrational).

Thanks, means a lot from you

Oh dear, you're not a logical thinker are you? It's vacuous rhetoric straight from the illiterate Reform playbook.

Ad hominin attacks are very 2020 - keep up

Exactly, and get less in return in terms of health, and public services

Oookay.

It would be good to see actual evidence that higher earners are leaving the UK or that emigrants are motivated by tax rates.

Oookay.

It would be good to see actual evidence that higher earners are leaving the UK or that emigrants are motivated by tax rates.

So who should be having this conversation and when?

Getting desperate now

And you can find info of that online. Several sources. And also the ONS published some figures on this not long ago.

Agree. All the benefit claimants and benefit defendants turn up to see anything about tax as a threat to their livelihood, and rain the emotional blackmail down about the ‘most vulnerable’, when the scales are falling from worker’s eyes.

No, actually, I can't. And the burden of proof is on the people making the claim but they can't seem to find any either.

I suggest you look better. CNN, times, and ONS. I disagree the onus is on each of us to educate ourselves

10k in welfare if manage to live to pensionable age, you be getting over £10k paid back to you every year until death. It's very rare that a member of the population doesn't benefit in someway from the welfare system whether that's child benefit paid to your mum for you or a pension at the other end, it's not all dole payments.

I suggest you can't back up your claim.

🤣. And that is your right! You live in a free country after all!

@Ph3 there really is no need to be rude.

I will refrain from using another such insult.

You have no idea if they are caring for elderly parents and propping them up.

I am one of the people currently caring for an elderly parent.

But why am I not entitled to be annoyed at a calculator that is clearly flawed in its calculations, and this is being used to argue that a £75k salary (more than double the national average!) is somehow not a good salary?

@shuggles - of course you are entitled to it. My argument is that one should not say things such as if you are healthy you have no reason to complain which is what you said. My argument is that people’s lives are different and we shouldn’t judge. If I was on 75k I could not afford to provide the life I am for my 3 kids and my mum who has lost my dad after a long illness and who is now ill herself. She had cancer recently and is facing all sorts of medical issues. She is not from the UK nor lives in the UK. My argument is that we shouldn’t assume that because people have money and health they have a charmed life. Mine has been nothing but… and I know I’m now privileged and I am very lucky. I’m 100 percent aware of this. But I wasn’t born this way (not going into detail here as frankly I fear it would be somehow thrown back in my face).

You said if I’m healthy that I have no reason to complain - you basically diminished my life because of some comments you saw me make on the internet. And yes I know the internet is unkind place, but it doesn’t have to be. It’s humans you made it that way and we have the power to change it.

now you are entitled to feel annoyed at the calculator - but this is not about the calculator I didn’t even discuss the calculator. Your gripe with me seemed to be because I said I hadn’t used the NHS in 15 years and you just said and i quote:
“If you are blessed enough to not have needed any serious medical care for the past 15 years, then you're not really in a position to complain” - by saying things like this you are invalidated a whole life experience. If I’m not ill then my problems aren’t problems. That’s what I object to.

remember that we don’t what’s going on with other people. Just like I don’t know your life experience and what made you think the way that you do. Yes I think you’re allowed to feel entitled to be annoyed, yes I think that you can believe that people are on 75k have it easy - of course you can believe that. I’m just offering a different perspective. You can take it or leave it.

but what this shows me is that this forum is definitely not for me. I like the idea of learning different perspectives but my experiences on here have been a lot of “gotcha” moments and used to just put others down - with that in mind I bow out.

You don't pay 44pc of 75k!!!

Here's a breakdown of what you pay

Gross income
£75,000.00

Personal Allowance the amount you don't pay tax on
£12,570.00

Taxable Income
£62,430.00
Income Tax at 20% for lower earnings
£7,540.00
Income Tax at 40% for higher earnings
£9,888.40
National Insurance
£3,510.60
Take-home pay
£54,061.00

It works out as roughly 28pc of 75k for comparison. You're taking home 4,500 a month after tax

"Some data" and "a google search" isn't exactly convincing.

I wouldn’t call you cynic. I’d call you other things but I’d get banned…

id be pretty sure I pay considerably more tax than you, but this isn’t a competition. All
opinions are valid.

im happy as a net contributor, that’s what tax is for. From each according to his means. I’m happy that some of my taxes pay for people who weren’t born in the uk but have fled wars and need somewhere safe. I’m happy to pay for them to sleep in a safe bed and eat. Why would I not be?

im aware I’m in a very privileged position. Firstly by being well off, and I’m happy to pay my share towards those who are not, and secondly being born here, and again, happy that the uk uses its resources to help those who need it

Explaining again that is only part of the tax you pay. The calculator, whilsd based on some assumptions and a bit convoluted, tries to say how much of the total cost of employing you finds it’s way eventually to the government.

its broadly accurate. Not for every individual and you need to believe some of the assumptions, but it’s probably a reasonable calc

Look - you clearly don’t want to engage in a debate. You keep throwing one liners such as “some data”, and a “google search isn’t convincing”, and “the indicators don’t indicate that the indications are…”. You also clearly didn’t know that anecdote had more that one meaning. The reality is data like this will take years to analyse and we are still at the beginning. I’m not self centred night to think that I’m the only one with the idea to leave the county I love for a better life - it’s been done before. And as a new world order is emerging and protectionism seems to be on the rise immigration will become more restricted and only available to skilled employees. I’m ok I am one of those. I’m healthy and earn decent money. I’m also open minded and open to engage in a constructive debate that helps me se perspectives - but not nonsense. You’re entitled to your position Keep to it and have a wonderful life. 🙂