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Groomed A National Scandal

67 replies

snughugs · 04/05/2025 22:11

On Channel 4. I’ve been watching this. How come this isn’t getting the same coverage as Adolescence which is a fictional story or as some claim based on a young black boy from Croydon?

We need a National Inquiry, these are our children and it’s still happening.

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 04/05/2025 22:17

I wondered this. It’s a scandal.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 04/05/2025 22:17

I’d want to know why all those officials and the police buried it.

Bambamhoohoo · 04/05/2025 22:23

I think partly it’s so old now. I know the filmmaker spoke about it still happening but she was using examples from a few years ago even then. It seemed to start in the mid 90s

its an absolute travesty, and should be a deep shame on our country.

there has already been a national enquiry- it led to very significant changes in the way street grooming was identified and dealt with

the police weren’t interested because they weren’t interested in “out of control” girls who were just seen as stupid slags. It was all too difficult

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 04/05/2025 22:30

I think you’re probably right

snughugs · 04/05/2025 23:51

If young Pakistani girls were being groomed and raped they’d be protests and marches. Perhaps I’m wrong but the poster above was right they’d dehumanised white vulnerable British children into thinking they were less than the paedos who abused them. How awful.

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Bambamhoohoo · 04/05/2025 23:57

I don’t think anyone would care about young Pakistani girls either

MiloMinderbinder925 · 05/05/2025 00:00

snughugs · 04/05/2025 23:51

If young Pakistani girls were being groomed and raped they’d be protests and marches. Perhaps I’m wrong but the poster above was right they’d dehumanised white vulnerable British children into thinking they were less than the paedos who abused them. How awful.

It's not that simple. There's currently compensation being paid out to people who were abused for years in care in LA.

Wherever you get vulnerability, you get predators. These girls were very vulnerable, they came from chaotic backgrounds or were in care.

One thing that came up in the documentary was how these men honed in on vulnerable girls. I watched a Jimmy Savile documentary recently and exactly the same point was made.

The problem with Rotherham was the same all over the country, officials thought these girls were choosing to go with these men and weren't considered victims. In one report the police wrote: "lifestyle choice".

snughugs · 05/05/2025 00:06

Bambamhoohoo · 04/05/2025 23:57

I don’t think anyone would care about young Pakistani girls either

Even if it were white men? It’s just as vile either way but perhaps we think British people should know better and excuse Asians more due to the “cultural differences”?

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Bambamhoohoo · 05/05/2025 00:09

I was fairly close to one of the cities/ situations. To some extent the authorities (and the girls, at the time) thought these were romantic relationships.

In those days, that was enough. No one stopped and thought that a young girl shouldn’t be in a romantic relationship with an adult man. No one thought an adult man shouldn’t have taken her away from her care home in his taxi. They all thought it was the girls fault, out of control, wayward girls who were loving it.

it appears that even when clear reports of rape and abduction started being made this culture was so prevalent they couldn’t see past it for a long time.

its no coincidence that the girls who were finally listened to- the “three girls” were the ones who had maintained some level of family relationship AND had stable, loving and more middle class families.

most of the girls didn’t have parents who cared. Many of them were in care due to poor parenting and neglect.

I don’t know this for sure, but over time I’ve come more to the belief that the girls weren’t targeted because they were white and because the men hated white girls.

I think it was mainly their vulnerability that attracted the groomers- who when they discovered children’s homes full of unparented girls couldn’t believe their luck- but also because so many of the groomers were from the same community, often extended families - cousins uncles etc, that they had to have victims who were far removed from their community.

Bambamhoohoo · 05/05/2025 00:11

snughugs · 05/05/2025 00:06

Even if it were white men? It’s just as vile either way but perhaps we think British people should know better and excuse Asians more due to the “cultural differences”?

No one cared. It was nothing to do with making excuses for the men, people didn’t even bother trying to find out what was going on.

JustSawJohnny · 05/05/2025 00:36

FFS, there HAS BEEN a National enquiry! Stop believing the right wing misinformation you read on SM.

Also, if the writer of Adolescence tells you it's not based on a true story, IT'S NOT! Of course, the race-baiting twonks will try to spin it but for Christ's sake 🙄

As for the documentary, people generally prefer drama to real life stories.

There WAS a drama about grooming gangs, a good few years back. It was very good and got a lot of attention at the time.

Recently a grooming gang in Bolton have been sentenced. All white men though (as most grooming gangs in the UK are) so you won't be hearing about it because, well, you know why!

Good old Tommy Robinson and pals only give a shit when the perps are brown, right?

Bambamhoohoo · 05/05/2025 00:40

I never thought I’d say this, but I’m glad Tommy Robinson has kept public attention on this. The authorities did want it swept under the carpet, and would’ve welcomed that opportunity.

luckily, we are still talking about it and uncovering more lived experiences to be shared

MiloMinderbinder925 · 05/05/2025 00:42

Bambamhoohoo · 05/05/2025 00:40

I never thought I’d say this, but I’m glad Tommy Robinson has kept public attention on this. The authorities did want it swept under the carpet, and would’ve welcomed that opportunity.

luckily, we are still talking about it and uncovering more lived experiences to be shared

Why do you think he tried to disrupt a court case?

Bambamhoohoo · 05/05/2025 00:45

Publicity for his own racist political views and aspirations. It was right that he was convicted and imprisoned

swimsong · 05/05/2025 00:52

snughugs · 05/05/2025 00:06

Even if it were white men? It’s just as vile either way but perhaps we think British people should know better and excuse Asians more due to the “cultural differences”?

Your agenda was already pretty obvious with the whole 'Adolescence was really based on a black boy' schtick. What are you trying to achieve here?

snughugs · 05/05/2025 00:59

swimsong · 05/05/2025 00:52

Your agenda was already pretty obvious with the whole 'Adolescence was really based on a black boy' schtick. What are you trying to achieve here?

I’m not a Tommy Robinson fan. Keeping discussion going is good. I have no idea about adolescent it’s just what I heard on Dan Wooten show. So possibly nonsense.

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MiloMinderbinder925 · 05/05/2025 01:02

snughugs · 05/05/2025 00:59

I’m not a Tommy Robinson fan. Keeping discussion going is good. I have no idea about adolescent it’s just what I heard on Dan Wooten show. So possibly nonsense.

I'm not sure who Dan Wooten is, does he write for the Sun?

Whatsgoingonherethenagain · 05/05/2025 01:07

Bambamhoohoo · 05/05/2025 00:40

I never thought I’d say this, but I’m glad Tommy Robinson has kept public attention on this. The authorities did want it swept under the carpet, and would’ve welcomed that opportunity.

luckily, we are still talking about it and uncovering more lived experiences to be shared

You’re glad someone nearly brought down a sequential court case and very nearly allowed 25 of these groomers to go free?

The authorities weren’t sweeping it under the carpet, there was a reporting ban for good reason. The case was being tried several men at a time, and any reporting would have biased the case, causing a mistrial and they would have walked free.

but yes, good old hero Tommy.

he’s a twat.

Whatsgoingonherethenagain · 05/05/2025 01:10

And yes, there has been a national enquiry.

there have been a set of recommendations to improve police and SS handling of similar issues. And as someone who works in safeguarding, many have been implemented and that’s why we’re seeing the arrest and imprisonment of these men now. Despite Tommy Robinson’s attempts to get them all off.

Ablondiebutagoody · 05/05/2025 01:25

Whatsgoingonherethenagain · 05/05/2025 01:07

You’re glad someone nearly brought down a sequential court case and very nearly allowed 25 of these groomers to go free?

The authorities weren’t sweeping it under the carpet, there was a reporting ban for good reason. The case was being tried several men at a time, and any reporting would have biased the case, causing a mistrial and they would have walked free.

but yes, good old hero Tommy.

he’s a twat.

Lots of them already are free. I think recently released was the guy who was torturing girls by pulling out their fingernails, as well as raping them.

It's was and is being totally swept under the carpet but an overarching enquiry regarding the cover up would be reporting around the time of the next general election. Labour can't have that.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 05/05/2025 01:30

Ablondiebutagoody · 05/05/2025 01:25

Lots of them already are free. I think recently released was the guy who was torturing girls by pulling out their fingernails, as well as raping them.

It's was and is being totally swept under the carpet but an overarching enquiry regarding the cover up would be reporting around the time of the next general election. Labour can't have that.

Why do you think the Tories didn't do that?

2021x · 05/05/2025 01:44

Grooming is very difficult to see, because its not just the victim that is groomed, its anyone who is in a position to protects them to. There are still people who say MJ a grown man who reported sharing his bed with children not related to him... did nothing wrong.

I re-watch the Louis Theroux Saville documentary last night again, and they show footage of JS acting incredibly inappropriately towards women in front of LT and they just laugh it off, he even gets hold of LT address which was ex-directory and he says nothing. One of the victims confronts LT after he said that he didn't report because he didn't see anything and he still doesn't know and this is a person who regularly confronts very dangerous people (see the most recent Settlers doco).

In this situation so many people let those girls down, that of course they are burying it because it undermines the trust in the Police and other institutions. Groomers take everyone down with them.

TheNuthatch · 05/05/2025 09:21

I agree op. Lucy Powell's recent comments sum up how the government feel about this issue. It's a scab they won't pick because these are predominantly Labour led areas.
I grew up in one of these areas. Everybody knew and our parents warned us about it. These 'men' absolutely did target white girls. It started with Sikh girls who they also saw as less than. Not all of the victims were vulnerable or from broken homes, but even if they were, why does that make it less of a crime or an excuse? Many of these girls were arrested themselves after reporting abuse and now have criminal records. Others had to be rescued from gang rapes by their parents as the police refused to intervene.
A girl at my school was/is a victim. They would wait outside school for her and one of the teachers would keep us all back late if there were Asian men outside school. The teachers knew, the police knew, everybody knew! Some of these 'men' have now been released, and welcomed back into their communities with open arms. They are defended and protected.
The inquiry that took place barely scratches the surface as many, including Maggie Oliver will attest. It's shameful.
Starmer is lying when he says that these areas only want local enquiries. Labour lost overall control of Oldham Council recently and they have now voted in favour of a full national inquiry.

A pp mentioned upthread that there was a compensation scheme for victims of abuse, which was recommended from the first inquiry. That scheme has now been scrapped by the government according to sky news.

Hoppinggreen · 05/05/2025 09:30

Bambamhoohoo · 04/05/2025 23:57

I don’t think anyone would care about young Pakistani girls either

I heard an interview with the lady who first exposed what was happening in Rotherham and she said that it wasn't about the men it was about the girls. they were seen as silly little slags who were in it for the money. It is also hard to prosecute when the victims don't see themselves that way and won't cooperate. We had a young family member with SN who was almost put into this position but as soon as The Police realised she was from a "nice MC family" believe me they did take action.
The Police arrest Pakistani men for other crimes all the time so I can't believe that they didn't take action solely due to the perpetrators race.

Hoppinggreen · 05/05/2025 09:33

Bambamhoohoo · 05/05/2025 00:40

I never thought I’d say this, but I’m glad Tommy Robinson has kept public attention on this. The authorities did want it swept under the carpet, and would’ve welcomed that opportunity.

luckily, we are still talking about it and uncovering more lived experiences to be shared

Yaxley actually did more harm than good, due to his actions the men involved that case could have got off scott free.
I loathe him but IF he had genuinely helped expose this and bring these vile men to justice I would think fair enough
But he didn't , he almost collapsed the case.