Groomed A National Scandal

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On Channel 4. I’ve been watching this. How come this isn’t getting the same coverage as Adolescence which is a fictional story or as some claim based on a young black boy from Croydon?

We need a National Inquiry, these are our children and it’s still happening.

They say that they were utterly terrified of being accused of racism. I think it is more complicated than that because they don't seem to worry much about the institutional racism and misogyny these days.
I think the cover up was much more about local councils, power and block votes.

The figures are based on the proportion of particular populations/groups, not total numbers.
It was a national cover up.
There have been several threads on this and many posts that explain how the statistics are calculated.

We've numerous inquiries, what use is another? will take years and recommendations will take even longer to put into place, if they ever are.. one of the last inquiry's, commissioned in 2014, reported in 2020, yet nothing until recently.

Whats needed is the Police to do their fucking job.

@snughugs

You are joking according to certain people Asian men are the only perpetrators when in reality children are much more likely to be harmed by someone known to them or family. The last grooming gang I heard of was in Scotland and the perpetrators were white.

This was a disgusting scandal but we can't forget the collective responsibility of the generation of that time. These girls were well known to police and social services they were considered not worthy/not good girl's by the local white population. They were easy pickings for evil men because no one of any colour cared about them. I'm 48 and I can remember that our local police force was the first police force to trial a programme where child prostitutes were not prosecuted and that was in the 90's.

Even now how many questions are asked about the slightly smelly girl at school who's naughty and a bit inappropriate. How many virtue signalling people getting their knickers in a twist would be happy with their teenage
daughters being friends with that girl. How
many people would take this girl under their wing.

The prosecutor who is well known for the prosecution of the grooming gangs has been very careful to state that this is a disgusting evil crime that has no place and not acceptable in any religion.

There has already been an inquiry and wide sweeping changes have already been made. People would be much better now if they supported teachers and if they're suspicious act then act on it safeguarding is everyone's responsibility!!!

If that's what you choose to believe.

Have you bothered to read the outcomes of the National Enquiry or are we taking the 'false news' route on anything official?

I was there when it was happening. I listened to Anne Cryer at the time. I have read the outcomes. I have listened to Maggie Oliver and other HCPs and social workers who were also there, trying to raise the alarm and losing their jobs. Not much changes.

This 💯
I am so sick of reading excuses for this. It really was/is the worst case scenario. I can't believe we are still arguing about whether there should be an inquiry, whether it was about race, whether white men do it more, whether it was covered up, whether the girls had good parents. There is no minimising to be done here. This boil needs to be lanced or it will keep happening.

Jimmy Saville got a knighthood. Even though the nurses at Stoke Mandeville were trying to be heard.
Rolf Harris was a National Treasure.
Cyril Smith was a successful politician with a special interest in children's homes.
Huw Edwards.
Post Office
Covid
Contaminated blood
PPI
Just to name a few off the top of my head.
But enquiries are always right the first time.

I hope everybody on this thread watches the documentary and donates to the crowd justice appeal.

Exactly! Even last night I was watching the documentary on the Vietnam war on Netflix. By the end the Americans never wanted the war and students protested got shot at and killed for protesting. The president hoodwinked the population into keeping the war going. We saw governments acting this way during lockdown and various other scandals. I think people are far more agreeable
to governments and what ever the BBC churns out than they were in the days of the Poll tax and Iraq war. Now Zelenskyy is some saint and that’s gospel. I mean even take Harry on the BBC that wasn’t even an interview it was a statement he wasn’t challenged at all.

I don’t trust the Labour Party I think there were people in positions of power involved in hiding the truth. I can see how Maggie Oliver found it so difficult to challenge this abuse. We are told not to see religion or colour but it was predominantly one country (whether first or second generation) who are a minority in this country on a mass scale of child abuse of the most vulnerable girls in society.

I will be brutally honest and if it makes me a racist I would have to accept that but if I had a daughter and lived somewhere like Rochdale I probably say do not engage in any conversation with south Asian men unless they’re your Dr or teacher, avoid at all cost. I know I could say avoid all men but in my mind I would think well this is a mass scale operation and my daughter’s safety would come way before virtue signaling. Deep down I know that’s wrong but protect my child would be my priority and I suspect Maggie Oliver would probably do the same.

Yes British people commit more sexual offences (there’s far more of us). There’s child sexual abuse in families, we know that. This was a professional operation of cousins, fathers and uncles all in on this depraved behaviour. If they knew it was wrong why do it? Why rape children? Why force drugs on them to exploit them? Why is no one getting answers of that community as the answer will be British working class girls are disposable commodities. Some of these girls died and one was allegedly put in mincers for kebabs.

What a very mixed up post. I don't know where to start.

This. It was called the Jay Report (2022).

www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report.html

It did have you not seen three,girls?
It's been acknowledged for a long tim e, that there was/ is
A huge problem with grooming with young vulnerable white girls and some men from the Pakistani community .

Three girls was not suggested to be shown in schools unlike adolescence.

How come this isn’t getting the same coverage as Adolescence which is a fictional story or as some claim based on a young black boy from Croydon?

> Because Adolescence was about a male child and male experiences always trump women and girls.

> Because Adolescence was about 'normal' kids so didn't force us to face the abhorrent way society deals with very vulnerable children.

> Because Adolescence didn't touch on the issues of ethnicity, race and culture which are embedded in Grooming and which bleeding heart liberals don't want to confront.

> Because, relatedly, Adolescence points the finger at folk devils like Andrew Tate and the internet rather than murkier issues of poverty, race relations, marginalisation, the care system etc.

> Because Adolescence was produced by Stephen Graham who gets huge adulations even though he's a very mediocre actor who plays the same part again and again and again.

Fears of accusations of racism played a part but there were numerous other factors.

In many cases men were using their culture/religion to abuse girls and that is an element which should not have been swept under the carpet.

@JustSawJohnny and certain people will always cry racist if the perpetrators are brown right?
I don’t give a flying fig what colour the perpetrators were/are. I care a great deal about an establishment cover up of the appalling way these poor girls were treated by the authorities.
You may find this interesting.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/not-racist-talk-islam-grooming-gangs/