Why can't we discuss how fat we've all become?

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Obesity is becoming the norm. Why aren't we allowed express concern or any views that are less than celebratory about this?

I mean seriously why?

If whole parts of your country were in the grip of a meth addiction we would be allowed have a discussion about it.

National campaigns to stop people smoking are applauded.

Look around you. Look in the mirror. We are all getting bigger and bigger. It reminds me of when people would visit the US in the 80s / 90s and come back with tales of huge people and massive portion sizes.

Does nobody care? It's like the Emperors New Clothes. I don't get why it's a sacrosanct topic.

Yabu - it's nobody's business
Yanbu - it's fine to address this as a societal problem

We eat much more processed food now.
Portions are much bigger.
Snacking is encouraged when we didn't have as many snacks or it would be a biscuit, milk or squash, rather than crisps, chocolate and fizzy drinks.
We used to eat at tables rather than on our laps in front of the TV.
There are more takeaways and things like McDonald's are worse for us.
We drink far more alcohol both in terms of quantity and alcohol by volume.

I can't exercise because I have a damaged ankle. Even walking is too much.
I've lost four stone in three years by not snacking, not eating processed food, eating mostly protein and veg and cutting out booze except for special occasions and holidays (fortunately including bank holidays).

What are you on about
Your clearly not fat yourself
Or you would know people talk about it
Obviously people are trying to loose weight
Hence all the current talk of weight loss injections

What did they do in Japan?

Sexism mainly

Looking up on Google 76% women work in UK 36% in Greece -am happy to be corrected . Easier to cook fresh food as a sahm.

I cant see any connection between my post & your reply, perhaps you meant to reply to someone else?

Another Brit who lives abroad

Went back to UK last year and tbh everyone looked fat, sick and poor

And they're clearly not!

They didn't do anything, Japanese people just tend to eat healthier food and it's really looked down on to be fat.

Feel like bit of a "we have mice issue, bring in snakes. Now we have snakes issue, bring in mongeese. Now we have that issue, bring in wolfs" tbh

Agree with the vanity sizing poster. I was a size 10 in the 90s. I’m the same size now and I’m a 6.

Isn’t this thread like a year too late? Hundreds of thousands of people are on weight loss medication now. I imagine Britain as a whole is already less fat,

I did similar with my mum's clothes recently. I found clothes in a size 20, that are about equivalent to a modern day 14. Also St Michael. She is in a modern day 24-26 now, which would have been 28-30ish in her younger years.

I commented along this lines on another recent thread and got a very snippy comment about discussing this size inflation as if it was a direct personal attack on my mother. I assume that person felt it as an attack on them, which it wasn't.

Which is exactly the kind of problem OP is describing. Factual statements about obesity and vanity sizing as a general problem are perceived as being personal criticism. We need to be able to talk about obesity and overweight without any individual feeling it is directed at them. I see this as being part of a wider societal discourse which is not being helped by social media. So many issues end up polarised because everything is in written form, briefly worded, nuance and tone lost. Intent is decided by the reader based on where they put emphasis in a statement. You see it on MN threads all the time, regardless of the topic at hand.

Poster doesn’t need to exercise because they’re loosing weight on WLI and you’re challenging whether that gives them the benefits of exercise

clearly, the benefit they want is weight loss.

Well, a few of them at least. Which explains some of the more incoherent objections to WLIs. The social currency and rarity attached to thinness is being undermined.

About 25 years 😂 but you know, we’re all old women stuck in the same internet arguments as 2007.

It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't costing the NHS so much but I'm increasingly seeing it as a finger up because I have struggled to get care for a health issue that is no fault of my own.

It is if you ever need the health service. One of the biggest concerns to the health service is the pressure it is, and will increasingly be put under, due to treating health conditions due to obesity. Operations are more difficult and risky on fat patients too.

A society with a high proportion of Overweight people put a cost and strain on society, not just themselves.

Like smoking and heart disease did 30
years ago?

I'm sure you would, but meanwhile there's no evidence at all that nutrition education and willpower actually work as well as WLIs do.

I was in a charity shop today and there was a huge amount of much older clothes (they must have had a big donation from somewhere).

I'm a modern day 8-10, but the 12s and even the 14s wouldn't go anywhere near me.

Peoole used to be much smaller.

YANBU to observe that people in the UK have got fatter overall. No-one's disputing that. YABVVU to assert that nobody's talking about it! Everyone talks about it, from the government to kids in school. And everybody always talks about women's body sizes, always have, and it's ridiculous to say otherwise.

Fat people know they're fat, they don't need even more criticism.

I'd imagine there's a wealth divide when it comes to wli. As far as I know, the drugs are currently only offered to NHS patients with Type Two diabetes, correct me if wrong.
So many people could benefit from them but just can't afford it. Though I do have doubts about their long term efficacy.

30 years ago the county had a much lower population. The NHS wasn't totally FUBAR.

Mumsnet seems to have a glut of wealthy size 8 women who loathe and despise anyone bigger than a size 10 amd who always turn up on these threads delighting in being cruel. One might suspect that they may not all be telling the truth.

Yes. I now weigh 9st 11 lbs and I'm a size 8/10. I have recently lost 3 stones on WLI. The last time I only weighed this much was 30 years ago, when I was also a size 8/10. Vanity sizing is insane.