Why can't we discuss how fat we've all become?

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Obesity is becoming the norm. Why aren't we allowed express concern or any views that are less than celebratory about this?

I mean seriously why?

If whole parts of your country were in the grip of a meth addiction we would be allowed have a discussion about it.

National campaigns to stop people smoking are applauded.

Look around you. Look in the mirror. We are all getting bigger and bigger. It reminds me of when people would visit the US in the 80s / 90s and come back with tales of huge people and massive portion sizes.

Does nobody care? It's like the Emperors New Clothes. I don't get why it's a sacrosanct topic.

Yabu - it's nobody's business
Yanbu - it's fine to address this as a societal problem

For the posters wondering why people get so angry, it's likely that it is costing the NHS so much money when people are struggling to get treatment and assessments for diseases that they haven't caused to themselves I imagine.

For 90% of the obese people in this country, if they just ate half of everything they do now, they would lose weight and improve their quality of life and that would free up money for other things. There's plenty of posts on here saying that getting their kids assessed for this or that is years away.

They haven’t stayed rail thin though, have they? They’ve just become obese in older age, along with other age groups.

Maybe it’s because people no longer smoke that they eat too much instead.

It’s the food industry selling us UPFs and jobs demanding that we stay chained to desk for 6-8 hours per day.

I’m a high school teacher. I see fewer obese teenagers now than I did 10 years ago.

You are allowed to talk about it but the reason people don't is because it is complicated and people usually resort to either 1) simplified solutions from a position of superiority or 2) exclamations of disgust, We have already had that within the first few posts. The actual words ' they disgust me'. That is why people don't want to talk about it.

I am fat, very fat - Size 22/24 fat. I have been fat pretty much all my life (with periods of weight loss at size 12/14 and everything in between in the 50 years of my life as a fat person - I first got fat at about 11 years old).

I could do with losing eight but I honestly don't care enough to go down the bariatric surgery route nor do I want to take mounajaro (or whatever the fuck it is) . I am pretty fat but I can still walk and climb hills (albeit very slowly nowadays). Yes I sometimes eat junk, particualrly at service stations (becasue well it is a service station ....) but 95% of the time I live a normal life, eating healthy foods in large quantities because I like food and can't be arsed to starve myself to keep slim. I have tried a number of times over the years and just can't do it.

I think I have lived a good life, I have a degree, a family I love and who loves me. I work hard, have paid my taxes and have never been in hospital or been seriously ill in my life so far. I have travelled, I like all sorts of things and think I am a kind person who lives a normal, reasonably happy life. I walk, do excercise and even go to the gym a couple of times a week,

I drink very little, have never done drugs, broken the law or been more of an arsehole than the average person I think. Yet I am to be considered 'disgusting' because I am greedy and like to eat more than is good for me.

Yeah well everyine is entitled to their opinions but I have no interest in discussing how fat we have all become with people who have that view of me and frankly I find the whole topic just dull. I am just going to continue living my life as well as I am able to until I can no longer do so or until I die. And anyone who thinks I am disgusting because I am fat can just fuck right off. My experience in any case is that people, women in particular, often talk about nothing else

So yes carry on and discuss 'how fat we have all become' but don't expect some of us to join in as we are just bored of the whole topic and have spent far too much of our 62 years on this earth talking about it, with no solution . So I will leave it to those better qualified and cleverer than me to solve.

@AquaPeer once the impact of passive smoking was medically proven it became completely socially unacceptable to smoke in a confined space with children and of course passive smoking is the major reason why it was banned in public spaces.

Yes I know that but self discipline implies it's a choice to be obese or overweight...yes there is personal responsibility but if people were just fundamentally greedy, the weight loss jabs wouldn't work would they?

I agree OP, but honestly what do you think "talking about it" is going to do?

Do you think the sugar tax has had the slightest effect for example?

We all know there's an obesity crisis, it isn't news. End of story.

Not just obesity. From what my family tell me, a whole part of where they live (Darnley, Glasgow) is in a grip of a meth addiction, and nobody talks about it. I mean seriously talks about it. There are many issues which are overlooked, not just that one. But I agree - obesity damages the health of others, unlike meth addiction - just 2 years ago I observed two skinny female paramedics carrying a very obese neighbour of mine, to the ambulance. I thought it was shocking, they were so young - and I thought - if all patients they have to carry are that large, their wombs will fall out, poor girls - my gran's womb was only held in place by stitching, she had a massive prolapse, but at least she was heaving her own stuff, lifting heavy weights in farming.

Correct. My Mum used 500 g of mince for 4 of us.

Well, I’ve now given up alcohol to improve my health. It has been really hard, but I’ve done it with an aim to hopefully prevent a stroke, additional weight or other issues.
6 months and counting.
As I said: personal responsibility.

Because its not completely the populous fault.

Proceeds foods are pummeled into children's brains from a young age on all devices.

Local authorities used to have leisure departments which would subsidise sports centres, swimming pools ect... however in times of austerity these are cut leading to closures with no accounting for the fact it costs the country millions more on the NHS 10 years later.

Everyone is working I'm household's so once you've cleaned your house, looked after your kids and life admin whose got time to cook good meals or do exercise.

Jobs are not 40 hours anymore, anything above supervisor work long hours and need quick food, it's why obesity in nursing a specific issue.

The world would need to rearrange in western society with a mixture of city ownership and reduction capitalism.

“Once the impact”
er no, try 40 years later 😂 we knew for ages how bad it was before it was banned or socially unacceptable

My mum was overweight since I can remember, I've seen pics of her and her brother as kids and they were overweight, both her parents were overweight. (In photos dating back to the 1940s) She and her brother were born when rationing was still a thing, they definitely weren't getting fat on upfs

Do you use more than this now?!?

That's what I use now for four people with left overs...

some one above mentioned Japan

1. there are chubby people there for sure , but they’re definitely not hugely overweight
2. They absolutely do snack ! but the snacks are small wrapped portions so makes you mindful of how much you’re eating
3. portions aren’t usually large
4. not unusual to eat till about 80% full rather than full to bursting .
5. they walk absolutely loads and many city railway stations have so many stairs
6. and yes they do have junk food and greasy food but it’s not eaten too often . they do eat a lot of carbs so they’re not on low carb diets

Aren't we on the cusp of the Great Slimmening with weight loss injections?

I do think we should be able to talk about weight and other general health issues at a general level without people feeling bad, but these drugs are so powerful I am expecting to see a big reversal in trends soon.

I checked out the thread to see which way the anger was going in today's fatties thread.
It's always either
Urgh you gross fatties gorging on fast food with your fat oozing out of your clothes, I can't believe I have to look at your hideous lack of self control
Or
You lazy fuckers with your prescribed obesity medication skinny jabs. Yeah we told you to stop being so gross and fat but not like this. Just eat less and move more, it's so simple in practice, that's why there isn't an obesity crisis
This one has mostly been option a so I look forwards to an option b thread tomorrow.

…the doctors keep getting it wrong…

Widespread weight loss injection WILL likely mean the end of obesity. So what’s the issue?

We’re all bigger than we were…

IPMSL! Get real!

Watch old TV progs on Challenge (for example) and observe how slim and healthy most of the quiz participants were in ‘those days’. Whole families on Family Fortunes…

Agreed, they are not ALL super fit, but you be the judge and watch quite a few different shows.

Same, I use 500g, and that's normally enough for 4 people and maybe 2 extra portions.

Er, what?

Don’t the jabs suppress hunger? So that if you lack self-discipline around unhealthy food and tend to reach for high fat, high sugar food when you’re hungry, you will do that less simply because you won’t get hungry in the first place?

Jabs aside, we all get hungry, it’s how we address that hunger that’s the issue. Some people eat mainly to fuel their bodies, others eat sub-optimal foods and/or more than they need.

Why can't we discuss it? Yeah it's literally never mentioned on Mumsnet.

Only like one or two threads a day on obesity.