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Feel bullied and gaslit by my employer -- sorry, it's long

34 replies

SquidProCrow · 01/05/2025 18:25

Just looking for a sense check. It doesn't feel right and it honestly feels like constructive dismissal territory but I'm happy to be told I'm BU but I'm starting to feel like I'm in an abusive relationship with my boss.

I'm in a senior role at a company, I was promoted six months ago. I've been here for a decade and this is my third promotion. In theory I'm at the highest level of the UK branch of the company with four others at my level. In practice I'm very much the junior partner. I was told earlier this year initially I wasn't allowed any annual leave until October so I would have worked without a single day off from January to October. (I subsequently managed to negotiate out of this but it took about two weeks of me begging). All the other people at my level can choose when they go on holiday.

It's a hard-charging environment and admittedly its high pay. I'm not afraid of hard work but I increasingly feel I'm being set up to fail.

On Monday I was hauled in by my boss for a "chat" about how things were going. What followed was a very nasty bollocking centring around the following offenses:

  • Sending what she described as a "panicky" and unprofessional email: I'd emailed her earlier in the day: an internal email with four or five junior team members in copy asking her, in a respectful tone, if she was also attending a meeting later in the week or if I should plan to lead it. She told me that this "sent the junior team members into disarray" in confusion. She claimed this had already been agreed internally. It hadn't and our client was asking both of us for clarity on this point. She went on to say I had an "aura of chaos" around me which was unsettling to junior staff. I know from talking to others on my team that they feel this way about her.
  • Shouted at me for having failed to print out a meeting agenda: I'd asked my assistant to do it much earlier as my access to the printer wasn't working. She hadn't replied for several hours and eventually brought the documents in a minute or so after the meeting started. It was an internal meeting, so just me and her.
  • Asking me what my plan was for a meeting which was taking place at our office at a time she knew I was overseas for. She is leading the meeting and I have never been slated to attend it. She shouted at me when I pointed out I wouldn't be attending and then asked my assistant (behind my back and without telling me) to arrange for me to lead it remotely when she's aware that I am not going to be in the country and will be attending a conference.
  • Told me to lead the implementation of a project in the UK which was initiated at a meeting in the US which I wasn't invited to (I'm the only senior person not to have attended the meeting and I wasn't told it was going ahead until three days before it happened even though it involved people from several of my client teams being taken out of action.
  • Told me that requesting another senior person sit in on a meeting when I had a clash with a pre-planned medical appointment was "grossly unprofessional" and I had to learn to behave like a senior person.
  • She told me I don't work hard enough. On an average day I am logged on from 6am and I rarely finish work before 9pm. I work almost every weekend day.

I'm utterly exhausted. I can never put my phone down and I get jittery and anxious at home when I'm away from my computer for more than about half an hour. I never have a full lunch break - I rarely eat lunch before about 4pm. For financial reasons I can't leave at the moment. Obviously I'm looking for other jobs but at my level and in my industry this isn't straightforward. I just feel so bullied and disrespected and my self-esteem is on the floor and I'm starting to hate my boss. I have to pick myself up, smile and thank her for her constructive feedback in about a week because any pushback is interpreted as "failure to receive feedback". I just want to run away and jump in a river. Someone tell me it gets better.

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FrodisCapering · 01/05/2025 18:28

I'm sure you are, but record everything...dates/times.
I don't think she'll get better so keep an eye of the job market. You're not happy and you deserve better!

PinataHeeHaw · 01/05/2025 18:28

It sounds truly awful. Can you raise a grievance with HR? She needs putting in her place.

SquidProCrow · 01/05/2025 18:30

PinataHeeHaw · 01/05/2025 18:28

It sounds truly awful. Can you raise a grievance with HR? She needs putting in her place.

Our HR is overseas in a country where employment rights are zero. So no.

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2024onwardsandup · 01/05/2025 18:30

Yeah - she’s threatened by you and doesn’t like you and is trying to undermine you

you can’t change her, I doubt the organisation will do anything

my best advice is plan to get out and in the meantime just totally drop the rope of caring about the injustice of it all

ie just accept that it’s unfair and you are powerless - I find it is the only way to not then be even further impacted by the anger you would feel

read up about grey rock

GreenFressia · 01/05/2025 18:32

It sounds a bit out of hand and wierd. I've not read in detail and hard to comment as often there can be misunderstandings at work - going loggerheads is not the answer though! The only thing I can see that would annoy me would be being the first one - I'm sure you had reasons but if it makes your manager look bad (it does - it looks like the manager hadn't planned for the meeting) in front of colleagues then it's generally not going to have good consequences.

Being told you can't take leave - that's purely wrong.

Niallig32839 · 01/05/2025 18:34

It won’t get better if you stay where you are. Sorry to say but it sounds awful and you need to think is the reward/job satisfaction and money worth the lack of autonomy, self worth and life outside of work being massively affected by the working hours expected. If your answer is yes then expect more of the same. You have been there for 10 years and I don’t see that the culture will change now. If the answer is no then make your next plan. Life is short and no matter how valued an employee can feel, if you leave and never come back no one cares as much as you think they will.

AquaPeer · 01/05/2025 18:39

I think it’s worth opening up a frank discussion about the way you feel and whether you can agree a way forward.

would you accept a compromise agreement? I would be thinking about positioning that. You’re not going to get anywhere with constructive dismissal etc but leaving with some money and a reference would be a win if you can take the risk

Littlemisscapable · 01/05/2025 18:42

Sounds just awful...do you have a decent sick leave policy? You need a break. How can you be expected to work for that length of time without time off.

Icanhearabee · 01/05/2025 18:42

She clearly wants you gone and is criticising you at every opportunity. She will either pull you up on your performance or suddenly find the need to do a restructure and claim you don’t have the skill level for any of the ‘new’ roles. I went through the same with an absolute bitch of a boss who was new to our team (my previous manager was lovely and full of praise for me). In the end I was redeployed to another team following a restructure and although at the time it was scary I was so glad not to be working for that bitch anymore.

SquidProCrow · 01/05/2025 18:44

AquaPeer · 01/05/2025 18:39

I think it’s worth opening up a frank discussion about the way you feel and whether you can agree a way forward.

would you accept a compromise agreement? I would be thinking about positioning that. You’re not going to get anywhere with constructive dismissal etc but leaving with some money and a reference would be a win if you can take the risk

I wasn't actually planning to go for constructive dismissal I was just citing incidents which I think are indicative of a pattern of behaviour. I would be more inclined to hang on with gritted teeth and wait to be dismissed. I'm on a long non-compete agreement and I doubt (based on the way they've treated previous leavers) they would settle in an amicable fashion.

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2024onwardsandup · 01/05/2025 18:44

What’s your sick leave like? Income protection insurance?

user1492538376 · 01/05/2025 18:45

What industry is this? I’ll make sure
to avoid 🥴

Look for other jobs and in the meantime try and detach yourself and compartmentalise - I know this is difficult but dont let them spoil other areas of your life.

SquidProCrow · 01/05/2025 18:45

Littlemisscapable · 01/05/2025 18:42

Sounds just awful...do you have a decent sick leave policy? You need a break. How can you be expected to work for that length of time without time off.

No. I'm too scared to take sick leave. I've had about one and a half days sick leave in the past 18 months and on each occasion I basically worked right through my sick leave. Because I would have been leaving others up shit creek.

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SquidProCrow · 01/05/2025 18:46

user1492538376 · 01/05/2025 18:45

What industry is this? I’ll make sure
to avoid 🥴

Look for other jobs and in the meantime try and detach yourself and compartmentalise - I know this is difficult but dont let them spoil other areas of your life.

Rather not say too much but its private sector, white collar, allied to the financial sector but not banking or law. There are no unions.

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Littlemisscapable · 01/05/2025 18:50

Without a union or being able to take any work related sick leave off I don't think you have too many other options here..it sounds like such a toxic environment. You have no choice but to leave..meanwhile document everything that is happening. I have had a similar experience with awful awful colleague..it was the most stressful time of my career! So you have my sympathies..its not you.

2024onwardsandup · 01/05/2025 18:54

SquidProCrow · 01/05/2025 18:45

No. I'm too scared to take sick leave. I've had about one and a half days sick leave in the past 18 months and on each occasion I basically worked right through my sick leave. Because I would have been leaving others up shit creek.

your colleagues are choosing to work in an environment where there is a risk of being thrown into a short creek - that’s on them.

you are in a toxic company - and industry I suspect. That is why the pay is so good. Taking sick leave won’t change anything really.

I’d get signed off for stress leave. It will indeed be the death knell of your job there but who cares

SquidProCrow · 01/05/2025 19:03

@2024onwardsandup

your colleagues are choosing to work in an environment where there is a risk of being thrown into a short creek - that’s on them.
you are in a toxic company - and industry I suspect. That is why the pay is so good. Taking sick leave won’t change anything really.
I’d get signed off for stress leave. It will indeed be the death knell of your job there but who cares

It's not that simple to change that though. I've worked in the private sector all my life. I don't necessarily have the skills or experience to jump to a role in a more employee-friendly industry and I have significant outgoings which I would have to maintain so I can't afford to take a big pay cut.

You're right big picture but you can't really hold that against everyone who has a job with little job security. Most people have to deal with this to a greater or lesser extent.

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AquaPeer · 01/05/2025 19:05

OP, the “private sector”’is obviously huge 😂 why do you keep saying that as if you think people are suggesting you should become a unionised postie to reduce stress?

a different job will make all the difference- presumably you were happy in your company for the first 10 years so why wouldn’t you be elsewhere? This is a person problem, not a “private sector” problem!

SquidProCrow · 01/05/2025 19:07

AquaPeer · 01/05/2025 19:05

OP, the “private sector”’is obviously huge 😂 why do you keep saying that as if you think people are suggesting you should become a unionised postie to reduce stress?

a different job will make all the difference- presumably you were happy in your company for the first 10 years so why wouldn’t you be elsewhere? This is a person problem, not a “private sector” problem!

Of course. I'm applying for other jobs but finding a job at my level isn't straightforward.

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ExtraOnions · 01/05/2025 19:10

Unless you are planning to immediately resign, you have no chance of this being no classes as Constructive Dismissal.

Reading what you have put, also unlikely to be upheld by a tribunal.

Aria999 · 01/05/2025 19:13

It sounds bad. Did this boss promote you or has she arrived since? I agree with pp that it was unwise to copy junior colleagues on your email clarifying the meeting, that looks like you want to make her look bad.

I would suggest more phone / face to face with her, less email. If you need to clarify something try and actually speak to her about it. See if you can work out why she actually doesn't like you- it may just be a personality clash or she feels threatened in which case there's not much you can do, but there may actually be aspects of the way you are doing things that you can change so as to improve things. Don't automatically assume all her feedback is unreasonable because she is generally unreasonable.

is there someone else senior that you trust who you could confide in / ask for advice and support in a mentor capacity? The person who promoted you if they are still there? Your bosses boss or one of your 3 peers?

2024onwardsandup · 01/05/2025 19:14

SquidProCrow · 01/05/2025 19:03

@2024onwardsandup

your colleagues are choosing to work in an environment where there is a risk of being thrown into a short creek - that’s on them.
you are in a toxic company - and industry I suspect. That is why the pay is so good. Taking sick leave won’t change anything really.
I’d get signed off for stress leave. It will indeed be the death knell of your job there but who cares

It's not that simple to change that though. I've worked in the private sector all my life. I don't necessarily have the skills or experience to jump to a role in a more employee-friendly industry and I have significant outgoings which I would have to maintain so I can't afford to take a big pay cut.

You're right big picture but you can't really hold that against everyone who has a job with little job security. Most people have to deal with this to a greater or lesser extent.

But that’s the deal you’ve made to get you pay and have high outgoings

i assume it’s law or consulting or something along those lines

you won’t get a job at the level/pay you want without the stress. It’s a unicorn that doesn’t exist.

you either put up with a toxic work environment or take a pay cut and have a lower status/level job.

unless you have a highly unique skill that very very few people can do that lots of peiple
want there is highly highly unlikely to be a third option - or everyone would be doing that.

AquaPeer · 01/05/2025 19:16

2024onwardsandup · 01/05/2025 19:14

But that’s the deal you’ve made to get you pay and have high outgoings

i assume it’s law or consulting or something along those lines

you won’t get a job at the level/pay you want without the stress. It’s a unicorn that doesn’t exist.

you either put up with a toxic work environment or take a pay cut and have a lower status/level job.

unless you have a highly unique skill that very very few people can do that lots of peiple
want there is highly highly unlikely to be a third option - or everyone would be doing that.

This isn’t true, OP has peers who aren’t going through this stress.

im highly paid and my job looks nothing my like this stressful (yes, private sector 😆)

2024onwardsandup · 01/05/2025 19:16

And it’s interesting you used the phrase “held against you” - it’s not a judgement - it’s just my assessment of the circumstances

BrightLightTonight · 01/05/2025 19:29

Some of the examples you have given do sound like you are a little unprofessional and disorganised.

1 - why cc junior team members about whether or nor she is leading a meeting, that should have been discussed between the two if you.
2 - not having the agenda to a meeting before it took place is bad, regardless that you are implying it is your assistant’s fault
3 - running projects at short notice is pretty standard
4 - the person who stood in for you at a meeting, were they fully briefed, and why arrange a meeting when you knew you weren’t available?

For a senior role, these are quite basic planning issues.