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Ok who wants to swap £2500 a month in benefits for my husbands MS and my epilepsy, narcolepsy and fibromyalgia.

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bluebirdblackbird · 30/04/2025 02:30

Well according to a lot of people on here we are on a good thing.

the 20 seizures I have in a week, chronic pain and night terrors, losing my memory after a seizure, pissing myself, hallucinations. They are all great fun. Not to mention the amount of times I have been accused of being drunk after a seizure.

or there is my husband. Diagnosed with progressive MS. Cronic Pain, shaking, cronic pins and needles, weakness in limbs plus losing mobility. Had to give up his teaching job 4 months ago after gradually reducing hours.

Not to mention the judgement when we use a blue badge because we look ok in that moment. And apparently labour are going to find us both work. Yippee cant wait to meet the employer who is going to take us both on. I am sure pissing my chair on a reg basis won’t matter to them or the losing counciouness at least a couple of times a day.

i am just fed up of yet another they are on benefits and get money and it’s not fair stamp stamp stamp. The bastards have saved up for a holiday- it’s not fair. The bastards have a mobility car but they look fine, OMG- they have got new carpets or a new sofa.

since I am guessing they none of the moaners would actually swap places with us if they could then STFU.

oh and that pip that is easy to get- my husband gets lower rate for both and that is despite providing all the evidence and appealing so we are off to tribunal. He can’t even dress himself most days and he can’t hold a pan safely or manage his medication plus many other things. If he stays on the points he is on he will lose his pip completely under these new labour proposals.

but most people know someone who’s friends, aunts, nephews, stepdaughters, cousin twice removed who lied and got it. I was taking to a lady in a wheelchair who does not get any mobility component of pip at all.

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CantStopMoving · 30/04/2025 09:45

Thelnebriati · 30/04/2025 09:43

For those of you who want to stop benefits, what do you fucking want us to do.

Do you really think it cannot possibly happen to you?

Don’t think anyone has agued that benefits need to stop in their entirety. I don’t think anyone has argued the OP shouldn’t be getting them.

Orangemintcream · 30/04/2025 09:46

Many people seem to be attributing the rising costs of PIP benefit to things like “anxiety” and “depression”.

I don’t believe this is the case as it would be incredibly difficult to get PIP for mental health alone.

I think what happens is lot of people who are approved for it also have depression and/or anxiety as when having a disability that effects you so badly you need PIP to live would make anyone depressed. And people then mistakenly believe it’s because of the mental health conditions.

I think one of the reasons for the rise in need for PIP is that medical advances mean people with complex conditions are more likely to survive now - but this means they are also more likely to have ongoing needs.

feelingbleh · 30/04/2025 09:46

User46576 · 30/04/2025 09:40

I dealt with someone via my job who was getting pip for the sort of minor depression you describe. It’s not as hard as you think or at least not consistent.

So why did I have to fight for it, if its so easy and people can get it for mild depression. Yet people like myself with bipolar and bpd are being denied

Zippidydoodah · 30/04/2025 09:46

PS @Frequency , she describes her situation so eloquently and accurately. I’ve felt those feelings myself. Luckily, not as severe as her and I have managed with medication.

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2025 09:46

Kirbert2 · 30/04/2025 09:40

But people seem to forget that it would involve their child becoming disabled to get DLA. No parent would really prefer that no matter how many difficult customers they have to deal with.

Give me difficult customers any day over watching my son almost die.

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Of course they wouldn't but it isn't that simple. Lots of people (me included) are raising children that have challenges. Children that could probably qualify for some diagnosis if you really pushed it. This grey area is much larger than most people accept. Your child wouldn't become anymore disabled if you sought out a diagnosis or looked to document their struggles in order to claim DLA. We already know that there is a huge blurring of the line between NT and ND and experts have been warning of this for years.

User46576 · 30/04/2025 09:46

Jellycatspyjamas · 30/04/2025 09:37

This is why change is needed and will come I believe. State money shouldn't be spent on designer bags and expensive holidays.

Neither PIP or DLA are means tested. If I have a well paying job and claim DLA for my DD (because DLA is a gateway benefit to access practical supports she needs), I should never have a holiday, or buy a nice bag, or drive a car because I have state help? Or maybe I shouldn’t claim DLA for her meaning she won’t also get access to accommodations she needs in daily life.

Many people can never afford fancy handbags or holidays. Welfare money is not for that. But you seem to be saying that they dla is for “accommodations” for your daughter which is a different thing

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/04/2025 09:47

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 30/04/2025 06:09

I think you've misunderstood what ppl are complaining about.

Benefits are absolutely for people like you (and the other PPs on here) but sadly your genuine needs have gotten lost in the noise caused by the "depression & anxiety" discourse. The issue is that depression and anxiety as reasons why ppl aren't in work has skyrocketed, especially among the younger aged ppl. That is frustrating society as physically they could work!

Of course, depression and anxiety is a sliding scale but it's an epidemic sweeping the country and will simply become unaffordable.

Bottom line, less people need to be claiming benefits and start working or there will be no money left to pay for people like you who genuinely need benefits and I'd be very surprised if you found a single person on MN who didn't think you needed them.

I couldn't have put it better myself, MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel, especially as you recognised the "sliding scale" which means that some are genuinely affected badly enough to need benefits

I also agree with the PP who mentioned that it's all too easy to target those unable to advocate for themselves; my son's one of them, but fortunately has me who'll fight like hell for him

What really worries me is all those like OP who'll undoubtably get swept up in the reforms, but that doesn't change the fact they're needed

Badgertime · 30/04/2025 09:47

No thanks. I dread the day I ever get sick. I really do.

User46576 · 30/04/2025 09:47

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2025 09:46

Of course they wouldn't but it isn't that simple. Lots of people (me included) are raising children that have challenges. Children that could probably qualify for some diagnosis if you really pushed it. This grey area is much larger than most people accept. Your child wouldn't become anymore disabled if you sought out a diagnosis or looked to document their struggles in order to claim DLA. We already know that there is a huge blurring of the line between NT and ND and experts have been warning of this for years.

I agree- both me and my daughter have a diagnosis of asd. We don’t need benefits and we don’t have extra costs

Kirbert2 · 30/04/2025 09:48

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2025 09:41

Any system will be imperfect but this current one is unaffordable, unsustainable and blatantly unfair. I think we need to increase the thresholds on what counts as a care need and benchmark more broadly against what could reasonably be within the realms of 'normal'. I mentioned upthread that a teenage boy needing reminders to wake up on time, refusing to shower and eating unhealthily is actually really quite normal if undesirable. This kind of thing shouldn't be included in DLA claims at all.

I also think we need a broader acceptance that the state can't equalise everything for everyone. Too many of us have ailments and chronic conditions that massively impact our lives. Sadly, we have to sometimes accept that the state can't step in to remove the financial impact of our struggles. We have to shoulder some ourselves either as individuals or in a family unit.

Are you meaning what parents can write in the forms? There are questions about if the child needs assistance with eating but nothing about their actual diet.

CantStopMoving · 30/04/2025 09:49

Jellycatspyjamas · 30/04/2025 09:37

This is why change is needed and will come I believe. State money shouldn't be spent on designer bags and expensive holidays.

Neither PIP or DLA are means tested. If I have a well paying job and claim DLA for my DD (because DLA is a gateway benefit to access practical supports she needs), I should never have a holiday, or buy a nice bag, or drive a car because I have state help? Or maybe I shouldn’t claim DLA for her meaning she won’t also get access to accommodations she needs in daily life.

Presumably you can claim it but not actually take the money, like claiming but not taking child benefit gets you pension credits?

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2025 09:50

Kirbert2 · 30/04/2025 09:48

Are you meaning what parents can write in the forms? There are questions about if the child needs assistance with eating but nothing about their actual diet.

I know the questions thanks. You can include if the child needs prompts to make good choices, needs reminding to drink enough fluids and encouraged to eat an appropriate amount (not too much or too little). All of this stuff is pretty standard for kids and teenagers.

User46576 · 30/04/2025 09:50

feelingbleh · 30/04/2025 09:46

So why did I have to fight for it, if its so easy and people can get it for mild depression. Yet people like myself with bipolar and bpd are being denied

I can’t comment on your circumstances as I don’t know them. I do know this woman’s circumstances well though and her depression was mild and she wasn’t getting any particular treatment except meds.

Lemonyyy · 30/04/2025 09:50

Sorry that there are so many horrible benefit bashing threads on here OP, I’m sorry you and your husband are having unnecessary pressure put on you by the changes to pip and I hope that things work out ok. Love to you and everyone else on this thread who is struggling ❤️

dottydodah · 30/04/2025 09:51

I think you and DH are very brave.My heart goes out to you both.ATM UK has followed the US ,in making everything all about money.So people howl "its not fair" or "hes got more than me" Health is your wealth, is an old saying never more true.I voted Labour to protect the health service ,however didnt expect them to start behaving like a pseudo Tory party cutting benefits for sick and elderly .Take care OP

x2boys · 30/04/2025 09:51

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2025 09:41

Any system will be imperfect but this current one is unaffordable, unsustainable and blatantly unfair. I think we need to increase the thresholds on what counts as a care need and benchmark more broadly against what could reasonably be within the realms of 'normal'. I mentioned upthread that a teenage boy needing reminders to wake up on time, refusing to shower and eating unhealthily is actually really quite normal if undesirable. This kind of thing shouldn't be included in DLA claims at all.

I also think we need a broader acceptance that the state can't equalise everything for everyone. Too many of us have ailments and chronic conditions that massively impact our lives. Sadly, we have to sometimes accept that the state can't step in to remove the financial impact of our struggles. We have to shoulder some ourselves either as individuals or in a family unit.

They won't just get DLA for that though
I have just this morning woken, my 18 year old up.for college and reminded him to.have a shower ,of course t he wouldn't get PIP.for thst!
Compare that to my other son who.is 15 next week I have showered him and brushed his teeth ,dressed him and taken him by hand to put him on school transport ,because cognitively he is around 2/3 years of age .

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2025 09:52

CantStopMoving · 30/04/2025 09:49

Presumably you can claim it but not actually take the money, like claiming but not taking child benefit gets you pension credits?

You can also voluntarily pay the money to the HMRC if you genuinely don't need the money but need to claim to access other help

Boomer55 · 30/04/2025 09:53

feelingbleh · 30/04/2025 07:29

If this was about helping people who can to work and not purely about money the government would put something in place to help people work part time rather then expecting people who can't even wash themselves to work 40/50 hr weeks

PIP isn’t an out of work benefit - many working people claim it. It’s to cover the extra costs of disability.

feelingbleh · 30/04/2025 09:53

User46576 · 30/04/2025 09:50

I can’t comment on your circumstances as I don’t know them. I do know this woman’s circumstances well though and her depression was mild and she wasn’t getting any particular treatment except meds.

So what descriptors did she fit in to as it has absolutely nothing to do with the diagnosis and what medical evidence did she send in

Kirbert2 · 30/04/2025 09:53

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2025 09:46

Of course they wouldn't but it isn't that simple. Lots of people (me included) are raising children that have challenges. Children that could probably qualify for some diagnosis if you really pushed it. This grey area is much larger than most people accept. Your child wouldn't become anymore disabled if you sought out a diagnosis or looked to document their struggles in order to claim DLA. We already know that there is a huge blurring of the line between NT and ND and experts have been warning of this for years.

DLA isn't just for ND children though and I feel like it often comes down to that on here.

Showerflowers · 30/04/2025 09:53

Apologies @ArtemisiaTheArtisti quoted the wrong person lol

feelingbleh · 30/04/2025 09:53

Boomer55 · 30/04/2025 09:53

PIP isn’t an out of work benefit - many working people claim it. It’s to cover the extra costs of disability.

I know i work and claim pip but what the government is proposing is if you lose pip you also lose lcwra which i use to top up a part time wage for bills my pip is for costs of disability being disabled is very expensive especially when like me you have a rare condition and you have to repeatedly travel to the other side of the country for treatment as your local hospital can't do it

Hastentoadd · 30/04/2025 09:54

Init4thecatz · 30/04/2025 05:52

To add... or those people who are not (/particularly) disabled, and claim. Basically the scammers who fake 'invisible' illnesses like fibromyalgia, or back pain, when they don't actually have it.

Agree, it’s all the scammers claiming for ‘invisible illnesses’ ( bad back, depression etc etc) that people have an issue with, and there are a lot of them out there

User46576 · 30/04/2025 09:55

feelingbleh · 30/04/2025 09:53

So what descriptors did she fit in to as it has absolutely nothing to do with the diagnosis and what medical evidence did she send in

Edited

She claimed among other things that she needed prompting to go to the toilet. The whole form was utter nonsense but she was approved with no questions.

Kirbert2 · 30/04/2025 09:55

Bumpitybumper · 30/04/2025 09:50

I know the questions thanks. You can include if the child needs prompts to make good choices, needs reminding to drink enough fluids and encouraged to eat an appropriate amount (not too much or too little). All of this stuff is pretty standard for kids and teenagers.

and if it is standard compared to their peers then it will be disregarded, especially if it lacks evidence and it's just what the parent is writing.

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