Benefit cuts will cost the economy.

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/labours-benefit-cuts-will-cost-uk-economy-billions-charity-says

Interesting article which repeats what some of us have been saying about the likely consequences of the proposed measures, including increased pressure on services.

Because I never did claim an adult gets 4k in PIP a month. I said 4k a year, yet no matter how much I repeat this, they just ignore it and keep making up something I never said.

I’m not.

Yes exactly. Some people on PIP are getting £170 a week with no extra costs. Most medical equipment is supplied free of charge by adult social care and does not need to be regularly repurchased. I appreciate some people do need to purchase big ticket items like electric wheelchairs but these are a one off. They should look at what expenses people actually have before they pay all this money out.

You said families get £40,000 a year and then listed benefits that add up to £7,067.

If these figures aren’t monthly, where is that high total coming from? Because the total of those figure is 8 thousand and some thing and, annually, that’s not a lot.

I bow to your better mental maths. 😁

It’s certainly not £40k, is it. I don’t know how you’d even feed and house a family on that. Let alone have spare funds.

for the love of Christ, I posted a full breakdown per month, and what this would total per year. Nobody else has struggled to understand this, only you, and you keep repeating nonsensical things I didn’t even write. Go back and read my post.

The way you presented your original figures implied monthly figures - you put 2300 UC. Did you mean 23000 pa? Whichever way you cut it, those figures don't stack up though.

I used a calculator 😅 I wish my mental maths was that good!

Here it is.

The entitlements per month, which over 12 months (as there are 12 months in a year), add up to around £40,000.

Do you understand this?

She's done the top 4 figures monthly, multiplied it by 12 and added the bottom figure (PIP) to the total.

Which isn't clear in the post.

I love that everyone is suddenly pretending not to understand basic maths to avoid the actual figures and obfuscate them with incorrect interpretations.

You're being rude for literally no reason. You've listed 4/5 of the figures as monthly amounts and 1 as a yearly amount. That wouldn't be apparently clear to anyone.

No you didn’t.

I do, in fact, keep posting the screenshot of what you posted. So I don’t need to go back. I’m looking at it.

Wait a minute for the screenshot to be approved. Again. This isn’t a “full breakdown per month and what it would total per year”. Is this list supposed to be monthly or annual?

I love that you're pretending not to have read my post asking you to share how you cover your living costs, seeing as you're disabled but nobly choosing not to claim benefits.

No but there will be that expectation in the future.

The benefits bill change is in part to stop people start to claim enough without having to work, unless they are funded or looked after by their household.

That is where the savings will start to be seen, with the younger 18-25 claimants being vastly reduced. It's there in the bill, the PIP, what will make that more difficult to claim for mental health illness.

Fewer people going into the system. Or fewer on disability, unemployment is much cheaper.

Young adults needing support to live independently will be the group most affected first. It will be another thing that will become two-tier, parents who can afford private supported living, their children will progress, ones who can't will have to keep them at home.

Oh bore off.

You're completely ignoring the cost of housing included in those figures to start with. Which is an issue in and of itself beyond the control of claimants.

I despair and give up. Hopefully another poster can help you as even if they disagree with me they seem to understand it.

No, it isn’t very easy to understand.

Are you saying you’ve listed four monthly figures with one annual figure also in the list?

I put £1,500 rent, as again I didn’t want to underplay the costs.

Social rent or private?

Didn’t see it. I cover my costs as I work.

Private.

Oh! So the severity of your disability doesn't prevent you from working. That's fortunate! So it's not that you choose not to claim benefits, it's that you dont need to.

Glad that's cleared up 🙂

I think it would be useful for people saying that the rich should be taxed more to say what they mean by rich - £50k, £100k, £200k?

Additionally it’s important to point out that benefits amounts quoted are tax free so are equivalent of a much higher amount if you are working.

It does surprise me how many are adamant that benefits should not be touched. Many don’t seem to get enough from what I can see yet others get it when their ‘disability’ is very manageable. I’m talking about ND and MH type conditions.