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Backpack strap cut with scissors

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IkeSmile · 26/04/2025 15:02

Hello everyone!
Back in December I needed your advice for actions against the school who covered bullying of a migrant child. Here we are again, with the same child and his backback strap being cut with a scissor. You can see in the picture that it's a clear cut.
Question?
React and complain in writing or ignore it?
I feel is the same child or a friend of his, acting like a thug? The only people wurh access to the cloakroom are teachers and the pupils.
Thank you!

Backpack strap cut with scissors
OP posts:
Hoppinggreen · 29/04/2025 12:15

IkeSmile · 29/04/2025 11:41

Why not? The schools response yesterday, through the receptionist, (because the headteacher refused to meet me), was that the case is closed. No one said they did it, and that I should stich my sons backpack.
The receptionist asked if I would want the backpack or leave it to them to dispose of it!!!!!
This is not a response a school should give!
Not even close!
Do to our history, with my son being constantly bullied, now his backpack damaged, I'm sorry, but sometimes you need to make them aware that acting preferentially is not an option when you're head of the school.
I've been too kind, too respectful with a team that supports violence/bullying.

Because you may end up looking very bad in the local press, alienating your community and destroying your relationship with the school for a start.
If you wanted the school to take action you have shot yourself in the foot I am afraid.
Going to the papers rarely achieves the desired result

LeftFooter · 29/04/2025 12:19

Remove your child from the school and send him somewhere else OP. A school without any ethnicities you dislike. You clearly have no trust in the school to keep your child safe. So remove him and find a new school.

IkeSmile · 29/04/2025 12:22

Jojimoji · 29/04/2025 11:56

Talk of involving police and newspapers in an incident involving eight year old children is bizarre.

Your constant references to possible future stabbings when talking about eight year olds are also a massive reach.

The insistence in the problem being with a certain group of professionals protecting their own nationality is unreasonable.

The school have investigated and there is absolutely no proof that the child you are convinced is responsible has done anything. What more do you want them to do?

Having said all of that, when a parent reaches this level of mistrust with their child's school the best option is to change schools.

The bullying reports made against this child are treated with ignorance. I only found out the headteacher is Irish, when another parent said to me that she isn't surprised about the lack of reaction from the school. She is the one who encouraged me in the first place to register my son for self defense classes, which I did.
My son was approached by a group of 5-6 older boys, with one of them being the older sibling of this aggressive child (all in year 6), and threatened. Again, the school did nothing.
Basically, all the Irish children have a gang, and make fun of the children with different nationality. Now tell me this is a made up story...it's a Catholic school in England.
So racism is an issue.
The bully recognised that he hates my son, just because.
So I'm not "that mum"!!!! I know what we're going through.

I'm aware it sounds somehow, but it really is the truth. I'm not the only concerned parent. But hey...we should accept it!

OP posts:
Lovelysummerdays · 29/04/2025 12:22

I would say a lot of schools are crap with bullies. My eldest was bullied I complained, nothing was done, I went higher. Still nothing. Apparently there are no bullies in that school. I went to the council, it was added to the bullying child’s record and mines that he had been bullied by him and they were to avoid the same classes in high school. This took years, in hindsight I wish I’d moved him. High school came down like a ton of bricks when he got a flying monkey ( another boy) to start on him who then confessed and blamed everything on bully.

Both kids were white Scottish so no element of racism in my case.

My best advice is to use their language certain phrases seem to trigger safeguarding responses. X doesn’t feel safe in school etc.

My eldest also learnt to box and the direct aggression stopped after he punched the aggressor back. Carried on with the sneaky stuff though.

Hoppinggreen · 29/04/2025 12:24

LeftFooter · 29/04/2025 12:19

Remove your child from the school and send him somewhere else OP. A school without any ethnicities you dislike. You clearly have no trust in the school to keep your child safe. So remove him and find a new school.

Probably as well now she will be doing a <insert local paper here> sadface.
Really bad move OP

Hoppinggreen · 29/04/2025 12:25

IkeSmile · 29/04/2025 12:22

The bullying reports made against this child are treated with ignorance. I only found out the headteacher is Irish, when another parent said to me that she isn't surprised about the lack of reaction from the school. She is the one who encouraged me in the first place to register my son for self defense classes, which I did.
My son was approached by a group of 5-6 older boys, with one of them being the older sibling of this aggressive child (all in year 6), and threatened. Again, the school did nothing.
Basically, all the Irish children have a gang, and make fun of the children with different nationality. Now tell me this is a made up story...it's a Catholic school in England.
So racism is an issue.
The bully recognised that he hates my son, just because.
So I'm not "that mum"!!!! I know what we're going through.

I'm aware it sounds somehow, but it really is the truth. I'm not the only concerned parent. But hey...we should accept it!

Nobody is telling you to accept it, just to deal with it properly

TheAmusedQuail · 29/04/2025 12:25

KarmenPQZ · 29/04/2025 12:12

You also need to stop leaping to ‘what will the child do next… stab someone’ you’ve mentioned it at least 3 times and I haven’t ever read the whole thread. There’s a massive difference between cutting a backpack strap and stabbing someone in the neck. Comments like this will not help you discuss this calmly to conclusion with school. And they will certainly not help you with a local paper (although will def make the editor gleefull for a colourful story)

I'm sorry but a child in school in London (or anywhere else, but London is known for knife crime) with a blade sharp enough to cut like that is a huge threat. And to be shut down by the SLT in school is shocking. WHY has a child got a blade in school in the first place?

I would pull my child out of a school if I found out blades were carried. Certainly not a safe environment. It's like something out of Gangs of New York.

KrisAkabusi · 29/04/2025 12:26

I'm aware it sounds somehow, but it really is the truth. I'm not the only concerned parent. But hey...we should accept it!

Nobody is saying you should accept it. What they are saying is that procedures should be followed. If the Head is ignoring you, make a complaint to the school board and/or to Ofsted. Follow the complaint procedures that will be on the school website. But don't go to the papers without having followed them, complaining about the Irish ganging up on you. This will not help you or your son.

TheAmusedQuail · 29/04/2025 12:27

Hoppinggreen · 29/04/2025 12:24

Probably as well now she will be doing a <insert local paper here> sadface.
Really bad move OP

I disagree. There is racism going on there and it isn't @IkeSmile perpetrating it. It's anti immigrant threats by the majority in the school.

Jojimoji · 29/04/2025 12:28

Ophy83 · 29/04/2025 12:11

All I can say is that is exactly what my bag strap looked like and I know it wasn't cut, it just broke

Also this.
I've seen many a broken backpack and the fraying on that strap indicates there is a possibility that it just snapped. It happens.

But the OP prefers to believe an 8 year old snuck a sharp knife or scissors into the cloakroom and hacked at the bag unseen. And despite having absolutely no evidence of this scenario is prepared to go to the press with their version.

Yazzi · 29/04/2025 12:30

Sadly OP Mumsnet is not the place for this discussion. Other minority posters (and some non minority posters) can easily recognise how serious this is- as all the mums would if your child was being bullied and her belongings cut for being a girl.

But you have and will get an enormous amount of people not only refusing to believe racism is a problem but also making out that you are hysterical and paranoid for knowing it when you and your family experience it.

The advice from some to get all communications with the school in writing is good advice.

SequoiaTree · 29/04/2025 12:31

OP. I'm sorry you feel your dc has been subject to racist bullying by dc. Please ignore those refusing to accept kids of their nationality could be racist and suggesting you must be racist to think that.
You'd be better off either moving your dc or going through the complaints procedure on the website than going to the paper.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 29/04/2025 12:34

IkeSmile · 29/04/2025 12:22

The bullying reports made against this child are treated with ignorance. I only found out the headteacher is Irish, when another parent said to me that she isn't surprised about the lack of reaction from the school. She is the one who encouraged me in the first place to register my son for self defense classes, which I did.
My son was approached by a group of 5-6 older boys, with one of them being the older sibling of this aggressive child (all in year 6), and threatened. Again, the school did nothing.
Basically, all the Irish children have a gang, and make fun of the children with different nationality. Now tell me this is a made up story...it's a Catholic school in England.
So racism is an issue.
The bully recognised that he hates my son, just because.
So I'm not "that mum"!!!! I know what we're going through.

I'm aware it sounds somehow, but it really is the truth. I'm not the only concerned parent. But hey...we should accept it!

So 90% of the pupils are in a gang?

nocoolnamesleft · 29/04/2025 12:42

It would help the discussion if the OP stopped spouting anti Irish racism.

Starrybreathofday · 29/04/2025 12:57

Racism is everywhere regrettably and no doubt it is found in this school too.

However, OP’s assertion that the principal isn’t acting because of her ethnicity/nationality (and subsequent bias) is also a racist assumption. There may be many reasons why the headteacher isn’t engaging fully, no evidence of the backstrap cutting being one. Maybe she’s not great at her job, or understaffed/unsupported? We just can’t know why OP isn’t getting the response she needs. Without doubt, following the correct channels to complain and recording everything would help you here though OP.

Your child being bullied at school is absolutely terrible and something you are quite right to pursue OP, but I think you’re approaching it the wrong way.
You say you’re respectful and kind but quite a lot of what you’ve said on this thread seems to be wild surmisings and predictions. I know you’re angry but, the trouble is, a lot of people will take you less seriously when you fling around accusations like that.

Digdongdoo · 29/04/2025 13:07

Jojimoji · 29/04/2025 12:28

Also this.
I've seen many a broken backpack and the fraying on that strap indicates there is a possibility that it just snapped. It happens.

But the OP prefers to believe an 8 year old snuck a sharp knife or scissors into the cloakroom and hacked at the bag unseen. And despite having absolutely no evidence of this scenario is prepared to go to the press with their version.

If this backpack is constructed in a usual way, this "break" has occurred cleanly, through 2 layers of webbing, and not at a point weakened by stitching. I can't see how that would happen naturally.

TheAmusedQuail · 29/04/2025 13:13

OchonAgusOchonOh · 29/04/2025 12:34

So 90% of the pupils are in a gang?

It's called majority rule and discrimination. Basic power politics.

Hoppinggreen · 29/04/2025 13:16

TheAmusedQuail · 29/04/2025 12:27

I disagree. There is racism going on there and it isn't @IkeSmile perpetrating it. It's anti immigrant threats by the majority in the school.

And you think Local papers are the best way to tackle that?
They will go with whatever angle creates the most readers/clickbait and will have no interest in actually helping OP and her child.

Sdpbody · 29/04/2025 13:26

OP, you sound very racist yourself.

Growlybear83 · 29/04/2025 13:31

IkeSmile · 29/04/2025 12:22

The bullying reports made against this child are treated with ignorance. I only found out the headteacher is Irish, when another parent said to me that she isn't surprised about the lack of reaction from the school. She is the one who encouraged me in the first place to register my son for self defense classes, which I did.
My son was approached by a group of 5-6 older boys, with one of them being the older sibling of this aggressive child (all in year 6), and threatened. Again, the school did nothing.
Basically, all the Irish children have a gang, and make fun of the children with different nationality. Now tell me this is a made up story...it's a Catholic school in England.
So racism is an issue.
The bully recognised that he hates my son, just because.
So I'm not "that mum"!!!! I know what we're going through.

I'm aware it sounds somehow, but it really is the truth. I'm not the only concerned parent. But hey...we should accept it!

Good grief OP - are you not bothering to read the numerous posts that have told you that you must follow the correct procedure? Every school must (not should) have a Complaints Policy that is agreed by the Governing Body and must be published on their website. This sets out the different stages that complainants must follow if they wish to make a formal complaint and how the complaint must be reported. If the class teacher and Headteacher are unable to resolve your concerns to your satisfaction, then your complaint will be escalated to the governors - whether an individual governor is asked to investigate initially or your complaint goes straight to the Complaints Committee depends on your school’s Policy. You seem to be ignoring this and going straight to the local press just makes you appear to be one of ‘those parents’ that all schools dread. You may well have a very valid complaint but it must be investigated using the proper channels. I would also strongly suggest that you tone down your derogatory comments about the Irish community in the school - it shows you in a very bad light indeed

BownnTown · 29/04/2025 13:34

im presuming you are catholic too OP?

going to the press was a terrible idea. Once that hits the print your son is likely to experience even more bullying. And god help you if you have talked about Irish people to the reporter like you have here.

Sharptonguedwoman · 29/04/2025 13:38

IkeSmile · 29/04/2025 06:45

English isn't my 1st language and this is probably why.
My 7 years old came home on Friday with his backpack strap cut. We dosen't know who did it, the school doesn't know, but I want actions to be taken, because my child was bullied from the middle of year 2. He is now in year 3. Since December he started Muay Thai classes for self defense, because of the bullying.
The bully is Irish, like 90% of the school, including the school employees!!!
My son is one of the best in his year, with good reports, financially we're OK, he's always well dressed (clean) and well behaved. I always told him not to react to a bully, and just ignore it.
But this other child, recognised to others that he "HATE THIS CHILD AND THIS IS WHY I BULLY HIM" and the school did nothing!
I'm afraid now that this is the one who did it, as a revenge that my son is now in Muay Thai classes and doesn't feel afraid anymore, so cutting his backpack, when no one saw him, was the best option.
But with a headteacher who's Irish, the same teacher who when I went to report the bullying told me that I personally have something against a 7 years old...what can I expect?
In the picture you can see the clear knife/scissors cut.
This is the long story short!

Request/insist on a meeting with the Head. Don't take no for an answer. Keep records of any correspondence. Ask to see the school's bullying policy and ask them what sanctions they are going to take.
Ask if bullying is being addressed (and how) in PSHE).
If you are not satisfied, write to the head of governors and say that you think bullying is not being addressed sufficiently.

LeftFooter · 29/04/2025 13:47

SequoiaTree · 29/04/2025 12:31

OP. I'm sorry you feel your dc has been subject to racist bullying by dc. Please ignore those refusing to accept kids of their nationality could be racist and suggesting you must be racist to think that.
You'd be better off either moving your dc or going through the complaints procedure on the website than going to the paper.

Wow. You’re assuming that anyone objecting to OP’s anti-Irish statements has to be Irish themselves?! Quite the bias going on there!

(I haven’t a drop of Irish blood FYI.)

Moonnstars · 29/04/2025 14:18

Going to the papers is not going to help your situation.
As everyone has already said you need to follow the school procedure.
You sound quite racist, which is something you are complaining about.
The school cannot punish a child without evidence. There is always the possibility your own child knows how strongly you feel about the school and this other child, and has done this to their own bag! This would not be unusual.
My daughter's class had a parent going on the group chat claiming rumours were being spread, her daughter was having nightmares and in tears over it, she said other children were also affected by the rumours. She got some other mums to go to the governors (completely unnecessary) to make a point and get to the bottom of it all. Turns out it was her own daughter spreading rumours. She went very quiet after that.

Going to the press will make your child stand out further, and you will come across as that parent. By doing this publicly this will be seen by other schools and if you did move your child they will all be very apprehensive to take on your child (staff not being alone with them in case of false accusations for example, supervising your child very closely at play times).

TheAmusedQuail · 29/04/2025 14:21

Hoppinggreen · 29/04/2025 13:16

And you think Local papers are the best way to tackle that?
They will go with whatever angle creates the most readers/clickbait and will have no interest in actually helping OP and her child.

Possibly. But schools ignoring a worry about racism and bullying towards a child that has migrated to the UK and is an ethnic minority in that school is a very bad thing.

It isn't a made-up thing. I've seen it happen.

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