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To say not one single organisation has come out in support of the court ruling for women's rights?

95 replies

SwordOfOmens · 23/04/2025 19:55

Aside from actual women's rights orgs, I've not seen any organisations make positive statements about the court ruling.

I'd love to be wrong, but my experience has been either silence or a call to arms against "anti trans bigots".

YABU - I've seen loads
YANBU - I've not seen any

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SwordOfOmens · 23/04/2025 20:51

Keenovay · 23/04/2025 20:48

YANBU. It's been especially demoralising to see feminist organisations I admire, making statements like "the recent ruling is not a victory for women" and "we use the word woman in the broadest sense..."

(That said, this got only one ❤ on Twitter and no comments.)

Extremely demoralising. Transmen being used as bargaining chips (previously invisible).

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Notaflippinclue · 23/04/2025 21:01

I asked one of our councillors touting on fb if he knew what a woman was - he said he was 100% behind the ruling - so you see baby steps - just make them say it!

Crudd99 · 23/04/2025 21:23

SwordOfOmens · 23/04/2025 20:48

That's quite something isn't it, even when the law is on your side, the highest court in the land, and you're still afraid. That really does speak volumes.

It's bullying , plain and simple.

Helleofabore · 23/04/2025 21:52

Here is something to add to the Transport Police.

Ultimate Pool.

https://x.com/ultimatepool_/status/1915089233233973566?s=46

Just this month two male players finished first and second in the championship match of an Ultimate Pool Women's Pro Series event.. Haynes has been winning events with good monetary prizes all year.

I suspect that due to the massive pushback that ultimate pool is happy to use the judgement to amend it policy. They say they have consulted too and now believe males have advantage. Better late than never. But the women have lost a great deal here in the meantime

https://x.com/ultimatepool_/status/1915089233233973566?s=46

spring252 · 23/04/2025 22:04

user1471453601 · 23/04/2025 20:21

I think some people, me included, are more concerned about the 30+% of children living beneath the poverty line, than the 0.5% of people who identify as trans.

And if anyone feels moved to tell me to shut up, or criticise my posting style, don't bother. It's been done on Mumsnet before. Women telling another woman to "shush"? Indeed.😁

Quite possible to be concerned about more than one issue all at the same time. Not sure why anyone would tell you to shut up because you're concerned about child poverty, I'm sure there is a lot of concern for that especially as they are frequently in single parent homes the majority of which are likely to be women. There is also a lot of concern for children being drawn into trans ideology and wanting to medicate themselves or remove healthy parts of their body. There are always many issues to be concerned about.

SmegmaCausesBV · 23/04/2025 22:07

The thing is the men get so angry with anyone who puts their head above the parapet or talks sense, it's not in their interests to attempt it. Women don't cause a big fuss either way but I do think many companies are missing a trick here (Tampax surely would be fine?). It would be brave and I think see a lot of support but it is a risk.

blubberyboo · 23/04/2025 22:12

user1471453601 · 23/04/2025 20:21

I think some people, me included, are more concerned about the 30+% of children living beneath the poverty line, than the 0.5% of people who identify as trans.

And if anyone feels moved to tell me to shut up, or criticise my posting style, don't bother. It's been done on Mumsnet before. Women telling another woman to "shush"? Indeed.😁

Nobody will criticise you for speaking on such important matters. We are all mothers after all.

Some of us are capable of fighting several things at once

Xiaoxiong · 23/04/2025 22:13

It could also be that the organisations who are silent are the ones who don't believe in any political statements or stances as a business. I know that my company doesn't make any political or performative announcements at all, even when our younger staff have agitated to do so eg. they have wanted to make statements about Palestine in the past. Our senior management have refused to make any statements, and have regularly emphasised keeping things professional and neutral in the workplace.

QuaintShaker · 23/04/2025 22:16

I don't know what you expect, really.

I would imagine that public bodies are waiting for the promised, updated-guidance from the EHRC.

In terms of private business, I rarely see them giving unsolicited opinions on the outcome of court-cases (except where they are industry-specific) and they're probably even less sure what the ruling will mean for them.

Middleagedstriker · 23/04/2025 22:18

Off line about 90%of people I know don't really give a monkeys. They either haven't come across it, haven't given it much thought or are more busy with other things like surviving the cost of living crisis.
Ive brought it up and many people even didn't see it on the news.
You have to remember MN and Twitter are very different than RL.

blubberyboo · 23/04/2025 22:21

Thebloodynine · 23/04/2025 20:43

I’m a small independent jewellery designer, and I want to post in support of it but I can’t take the risk. I imagine my business would be decimated overnight, and I’m in Scotland where it’s been pretty terrible for this stuff. It’s just fear really I think. And I don’t have anything to fall back on if my business was ripped apart by TRAs.

I don't think you particularly need to come out and directly say something about the ruling as such. It's not as though your business is providing a service where the single sex exemption applies such as changing rooms.

Where your power and voice will come from is language use. So you might make a piece of jewellery incorporating the word "mother".
Or advertise your premises as being breast feeding friendly. Subtlety showing that you will not allow words to be reframed for anyone's ideology.

SmegmaCausesBV · 23/04/2025 22:22

Middleagedstriker · 23/04/2025 22:18

Off line about 90%of people I know don't really give a monkeys. They either haven't come across it, haven't given it much thought or are more busy with other things like surviving the cost of living crisis.
Ive brought it up and many people even didn't see it on the news.
You have to remember MN and Twitter are very different than RL.

Transwomen are only 0.1% of the population so that stands to reason. BBC is biased as so many of their staff are trans they put the stories front and centre which gives the country the idea it's on par with Gaza, for example.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/04/2025 22:32

loveyouradvice · 23/04/2025 20:06

A deafening silence... but what is worse is the number of corporate messages expressing sympathy for trans colleagues and NOT mentioning women... from on high!!

i agree ... we cannot expect anything else... but it is disappointing

This needs to be challenged. So helpful phrasing will help me and others! The tone from the SC was to be respect all, not be one side wins (their comment, not my view), so perhaps communication to organisations that mirrors that tone might start to be palatable. [After all men don't care if they lie or manipulate, so perhaps women need to start to do that more- dreadful I know]

Screamingabdabz · 23/04/2025 22:34

user1471453601 · 23/04/2025 20:21

I think some people, me included, are more concerned about the 30+% of children living beneath the poverty line, than the 0.5% of people who identify as trans.

And if anyone feels moved to tell me to shut up, or criticise my posting style, don't bother. It's been done on Mumsnet before. Women telling another woman to "shush"? Indeed.😁

I don’t think you need to be shushed, I think you need to be educated. The judgement wasn’t about trans, it was about protecting the rights and dignity of biological women. Protecting them largely from men, who as a sex class commit most of sexual and violent crime. What a shame you don’t care about that.

BethDutton4President · 23/04/2025 22:34

user1471453601 · 23/04/2025 20:21

I think some people, me included, are more concerned about the 30+% of children living beneath the poverty line, than the 0.5% of people who identify as trans.

And if anyone feels moved to tell me to shut up, or criticise my posting style, don't bother. It's been done on Mumsnet before. Women telling another woman to "shush"? Indeed.😁

You can be concerned about both.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/04/2025 22:39

IReallyLoveItHere · 23/04/2025 20:18

I doubt any company that isn't an outright supporter of women's rights would make themselves a target by celebrating it.

My work has acknowledged it and said they will be reviewing policies (loos are self id) But they also said 're realise the outcome will upset some people, etc, etc'. They just couldn't help themselves 🙄

So have you challenged or queried your workplace on this? They need to know that not all their employees are traumatised by this decision.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/04/2025 22:47

user1471453601 · 23/04/2025 20:21

I think some people, me included, are more concerned about the 30+% of children living beneath the poverty line, than the 0.5% of people who identify as trans.

And if anyone feels moved to tell me to shut up, or criticise my posting style, don't bother. It's been done on Mumsnet before. Women telling another woman to "shush"? Indeed.😁

What does your post have to do with the thread title? But perhaps do consider common factors eg why are your % of children living in poverty? Is that perhaps because their fathers aren't paying appropriate child maintenance? And back to the subject of this thread: men demanding rights they don't have. We do have things in common. Just perhaps something to consider.

GalacticTowelMaster · 23/04/2025 22:52

IReallyLoveItHere · 23/04/2025 20:18

I doubt any company that isn't an outright supporter of women's rights would make themselves a target by celebrating it.

My work has acknowledged it and said they will be reviewing policies (loos are self id) But they also said 're realise the outcome will upset some people, etc, etc'. They just couldn't help themselves 🙄

My org said pretty much the same

Pleaseshutthefuckup · 23/04/2025 22:54

It feels to me like fear I agree. And I understand it. When I watch some of the trans protests, it's blatant militancy unchecked.

I have a great deal of time for Douglas Murray and love hearing him speak on this. Some behaviour we have seen lately is beyond the realms of insanity.

I am not in support of inciting hatred, yet, these militant men in dresses are holding up placards saying hang terfs and will they be treated the same way as others who have written hateful tweets? This is why people feel afraid. They don't feel protected from the absolute insanity at play.

It's only because of Mumsnet have i done a complete 180 on my trans views. I was previously be kind brigade, not fully appreciating the wide reaching significance of this insanity on women and our future. I feel many don't fully appreciate this. Only MN helped me see it.

JustFeedMeCake · 23/04/2025 22:56

user1471453601 · 23/04/2025 20:21

I think some people, me included, are more concerned about the 30+% of children living beneath the poverty line, than the 0.5% of people who identify as trans.

And if anyone feels moved to tell me to shut up, or criticise my posting style, don't bother. It's been done on Mumsnet before. Women telling another woman to "shush"? Indeed.😁

Doubtful. Some people, not you obviously, can care about more than one thing at a time. Shocking isn’t it!

Mistyglade · 23/04/2025 22:57

user1471453601 · 23/04/2025 20:21

I think some people, me included, are more concerned about the 30+% of children living beneath the poverty line, than the 0.5% of people who identify as trans.

And if anyone feels moved to tell me to shut up, or criticise my posting style, don't bother. It's been done on Mumsnet before. Women telling another woman to "shush"? Indeed.😁

We can definitely be just as concerned about both.

SwordOfOmens · 23/04/2025 22:59

blubberyboo · 23/04/2025 22:12

Nobody will criticise you for speaking on such important matters. We are all mothers after all.

Some of us are capable of fighting several things at once

We can multitask with ease!

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Notaflippinclue · 23/04/2025 23:02

If these trans people can intimidate companies to buckle maybe we could have a few massive marches of our own waving placards about boycotts of these businesses if they don’t look after us as they say go woke go broke - at least we can name and shame a few that refuse to follow the rule of law and provide 3rd spaces!

Willyoujustbequiet · 23/04/2025 23:05

Middleagedstriker · 23/04/2025 22:18

Off line about 90%of people I know don't really give a monkeys. They either haven't come across it, haven't given it much thought or are more busy with other things like surviving the cost of living crisis.
Ive brought it up and many people even didn't see it on the news.
You have to remember MN and Twitter are very different than RL.

I find the opposite tbh.

In the real world the vast majority genuinely feel they're a bunch of delusional lunatics.

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