TW To be triggered by the Pope's death?

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The nuns were horrible at my convent school. We had to watch a film of an abortion from the inside. Sex was seen as such a shameful, dirty thing - yet when you marry, you're supposed to suddenly be this sex machine ready to fill the word with children and raise them Catholic.

And the church simply will not get out of women's wombs. Not allowed contraception, not allowed abortion...the anti-choice, anti-woman nature of it a just makes me see red. The other Abrahamic religions allow contraception, including Islam.

Today reminds me how many people worship this institution and its misogyny.

He was actually a pretty forward looking and accepting pope imo.
I grew up extremely catholic in Ireland and although I would no longer consider myself catholic I don’t feel triggered by this and I don’t hold the same view you do. I’ve never felt there was any push by the modern day church or catholic schools to be anti contraception or to push women to have loads of sex after marriage and have loads of babies.

I was raised catholic went to a convent primary school etc but im.not making the death of the pope all about me

We that's weird, because those are the teachings of Catholicism. Are you sure you were in the right church??

How can he have been forward-looking if he didn't want women to be ordained? The man literally deemed half the human race Not Good Enough.

It's ironic that men want us to do the lion's share of caring for and tending to children, yet we're not seen as good enough to be warm and caring towards a flock of parishioners. Mothering Sunday originally meant to celebrate the maternal nature of the church. You'd think stereotypical female traits i.e. listening and tending and soothing and comforting would make women IDEAL priests in their eyes. But noooo, they might get some power in the church!

I felt sad when Pope John Paul II died as he was the pope of my childhood, he felt special somehow. Any that follow just feel like promoted priests.
It’s the same with Queen Elizabeth II, she was there for many years of my life, so the ones that follow don’t count for me.

I feel the same about the Princess of Wales title! To me, the PoW will aways be Diana!

Why do you care wether there are women priests or not ?
Im assuming you are not still practicing so why does it bother you?

How can he have been forward-looking if he didn't want women to be ordained? The man literally deemed half the human race Not Good Enough.

I mean it’s well documented that Pope Francis had quite liberal views as the head of the church. I’m not sure why you’re trying to argue that or focus solely on women in the priest role.

A Christian but not a Catholic? You sound rather bigoted yourself.

Representative not representation there is quite a difference. Anyway if you aren't Catholic yourself why does it matter?

It all means nothing to me. I have switched off the radio as I cannot listen to one more peon of praise to this privileged old man. All of a sudden everyone thinks he was great.

He was a man who colluded in the quashing of women, turned a blind eye to abuse and lived in comfort off the back of the poor.

My grandfather was brought up in a catholic orphanage - need I say more?

You mean people raised Catholic in this country or Ireland maybe, with convent schools and all that crap - as Catholicism was outlawed for so long in the UK, it became this us vs the others thing and church schools are radicalised.

I come from an European country which is Catholic - and we don't have Catholic or even church schools. it was assumed evryone goes to church and catequese and so on that school is school and church has nothing to do with it. - which in my opinion is how it should be - get your religious education in church if you want but leave school out of it.

As it is, I see myself as an agnostic (maybe even atheist) at 50+ and didn't even baptize my children. got married in church because of my parents / family but then again was honest I didn't believe and no lightening bolt came from the sky...

The Catholic Church has a huge influence over the entire world. We can see in all its glory the way it was for most of time - men running everything and women subservient. Even the cult of Mary is all about women fulfilling a servile role. Makes my stomach churn.

As a woman I just want to be treated as an equal in the world.

I don't know who 'they' are but I'm assuming you don't actually know the men the pp is referring to. I certainly don't recognise any of the hundreds of Catholic men I've known here either.
I was lucky, like a pp, my Catholic convent schools and church links were very happy and positive for me and my family and friends. I had an uncle who very much gave his life to the priesthood and when he died his only belongings were a crucifix and a Bible. The nuns I knew were strong women who very much empowered us as young women to go out into the world educated and ready to take on whatever careers we hoped for. While it was a v religious school, there was no issue made of contraception, homsexuality etc so I never had any hangups there. À la carte Catholicism, you could say.
Pope Francis seems to have been a decent man, though of his time. He was braver and more liberal than those before him and his refusal to take a palace room or burial says something. He deemed himself a shepherd and a servant rather than Top Dog. Only those on the inside will know the truth of it I suppose but his messages were good.
More than anything I am following it now from a historic point of view. Infallible? I don't think so and I don't imagine he did either.

I'm sorry OP that you had that horrible and longlasting experience. That was wrong.

You should watch the movie Conclave. The ending isn't especially believable but it's quite an interesting movie.
It's about how the elect the new pope when the old one dies.
I'm so sorry you had such a bad experience with the church. I'm not from a religious background myself. So I'm not pro or anti it in principle. But I do think it's sexist and they did terrible things. and I wouldn't follow any religion.

But you don't believe in it why do.you care ?
I was brought up Catholic im very lapsed ,it's never been a particularly progressive religion ,but if it's not something you subscribe too why does it matter how it's run?

Why does it matter? All that money and power and influence? Have you been to the Vatican and seen how incredibly flash the place is? You don’t get wealthy like that by being pious. So it matters!

I am not American and wouldn’t have voted for Donald Trump. But he still has a huge impact on the rest of the world and most of us have an opinion about it. Ditto the Pope.

Exactly this, was saying the same yesterday. Faith is about love and grace; Catholicism seems to be about punishment and flagellation.

Hope you feel better about it all soon OP and can focus on what you have now, not what your aw- avoid the news, it’ll be all over it for weeks.

He was liberal for a pope.

He wasn’t liberal for a human.

What do you mean by "triggered"? I mean YANBU to feel what you feel but I don't really understand what that means in this context.

It’s not just that. The Catholic Church dominated provision for poor people- people that they made poor to keep them under control and breeding catholics - and likely still continue to do so in low income countries where they are still able to hold power.

Need a food bank? Catholic church
A Hospital? Catholic church
A charity? Catholic church
A housing association? Catholic church
A ”home” for young mothers (or raped, disabled, victims of incest, generally abused women who fell pregnant form the abuse)- Catholic Church
A home for the elderly? Catholic church
can’t get a job? Work for the Catholic church

just because this isn’t your experience doesn’t negate the experience of millions of people living the generational trauma of the influence of the Catholic Church.