Dig licking plates before going into dishwasher - ick or not

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Have have hosted a lovely Easter BH Monday for all 7 GC, 3 step children, partners & children. We had an Easter egg hunt in garden, had breakfast in local farm shop & walked my lovely little dog around, petted animals etc.

For context I need to say that DSS & DIL are both British, but live in USA.

After a roast dinner I put the plates & general pots & pans down for the dog to lick. My DIL lost the plot saying that was so unhygienic I assured her that they would be going into the dishwasher on a high temperature - about 90c so would be sterilised. I always let the dog pre-wash my plates as consider it's going into the dishwasher at high temp to be sterilised so no problem.

DIL saying she will never let her children eat at my house again & gone-taken her DH & DC off in an huff.

DH has had a text from his son apologising but saying what can he do as has to support his wife. I totally get that. But....

My question is - is it OK to let dog lick out the plates etc when they are going into dishwasher at a high temp? WWUD?

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Crockery and pans used for humans should not be used for animals as well.

It's simple.

Although the odds are that your dishwasher will clean them thoroughly, you can't be sure.

Absolutely not ! I wouldn't eat anything again either 😕

I think it's okay to feel a bit squeamish about it (though logically it's not a problem, and I let my dogs lick plates, sometimes), but trying to boss people around in their own homes or threatening to never visit them for that reason is going too far.

I'd be annoyed and think her irrational (and demanding... and not the brightest bulb), but I'd probably play along with it for DH's sake. Do as you like when she's not there to see.

Small children lick plates as well. And stick fingers over them. They have questionable hygiene also.

Do those plates also need to be washed separately or thrown after each use?

Wouldn’t bother me. Dishwasher gets insanely hot

From a bacteria being obliterated point of view there is nothing wrong with it.

But I’m on team ick!

We used to let our cats lick plates clean before being put in the dishwasher (plates, not cats)). Also put pet feeding bowls in with our plates too.

Not really much point having a dishwasher if it's not going to get stuff properly clean, is there?

Are we seriously comparing a child to an animal that licks its own bottom and could eat shit

Absolutely disgusting.

The dog licks his bum and then licks the plates-not much different to cutting out the middle man and letting him wipe his bum directly on to the plates.

I wouldn't be eating at yours again either!

Even if logically you know that the plates are going to be put through the dishwasher, the idea of letting the dog lick them first is pretty gross.

Absolutely disgusting. We even have dog cutlery for dishing out their food. We don't dish out their food with cutlery we eat off.

We had dogs and a dish washer and never let the dogs lick the plates. It just feels wrong also bad habits dogs thinking food on plates in for them.

I just can’t picture putting my plate in the floor? For a dog to lick clean and then even once washed be my dinner plate. That would now be the dogs plate because it’s a floor licked dog plate.

We also never allowed them upstairs or on the sofa the horror.

She sounds v OTT about made-up hygiene issues (why would sheets on a line cause allergies?! Changing your bed linen every day – insanity!).

Are you sure you didn’t do the dog-plate licking thing in front of her on purpose? You must have known she’d freak out!

Your mistake was letting her see!

We put our dogs bowls in the dishwasher with our plates so it wouldn't bother me. I’ve read on mumsnet that some people find that disgusting though.

I agree. Not only would I never eat or drink at OP'house, I've just made a lifetime promise to myself to never eat or drink at any dog owners' house.
There is still bacteria in dishwashers, the filters get blocked with stuff and the same bacteria get swilled around with the water next time. It's not going to be spotlessly clean every time once it's been installed for a few months. But there's a difference between knowing there's a risk of food bacteria, and knowing there's particles of poo in there. Either the dog's own from cleaning itself, or the fox or cat poo it's eaten.
You're also messaging the dog that it's ok to lick human crockery, so they could be doing that any time you weren't watching and you wouldn't know.

Absolutely gross

Do you know any kids? They put their fingers everywhere.

OH CR@P HAVE I SET MN off!!!- am so sorry. Am going to partake in Mass for the soul of Pope Francis now so logging off for now. RIP Holy Father.

Toddlers don't lick their arses and eat all manner of shit so it's a lot fucking different.🤢

This is why I generally don’t eat in other people’s houses 😬 maybe the heat kills the germs, but you wouldn’t put (for example) your toilet brush/ cat litter tray in the dishwasher with the dishes either - the optics are grim even if it’s technically clean.

This is nothing to do with hygiene standards though, it’s only to do with your disgust. It is perfectly safe.

Dishwashers wash hot (65 C is hot) and including dishwasher tablets/powder (high pH and detergent) the dishes are going to be safer than anything you can achieve for (for example) the salad you eat that’s been grown in the soil containing goodness knows what.

I think this is right, actually. Disgust is complicated but essentially nothing is intrinsically disgusting, things are disgusting because of how we think about them and how they fit into our view of the world and how things work. There are things everyone finds disgusting, like shit, and loads of other things that only some people find disgusting, and it depends on how they've categorised them. Here's an article about a study of how disgusting people found other people's sweat smells depending on who they thought the people were: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/feb/22/smelly-t-shirt-test-humans-overcome-disgust-for-others
I think there are other studies that show people not wanting to eat chocolate that was shaped like dog poo despite knowing it was chocolate, and not wanting to drink a glass of water they'd just spat in themselves. I wouldn't use my DP's toothbrush even though I would happily kiss her.

I am a MN dog hater, and it makes me feel a bit sick to see people letting their dogs lick their faces. But if the dishwasher can be relied upon to wash stuff that’s had raw meat on it, even I don’t really see why the dog-licked stuff would be worse.

It doesn’t bother me as in I’d let the dog lick the ice cream bowl and then put it in the dishwasher, but I wouldn’t do it in front of people, and I wouldn’t give him a buffet of all our dishes and pots and pans; for some reason that seems weirder than the licking of the plates.

I know in theory the dishwasher cleans things but it’s really grim standards in my opinion.
we have separate bowls for the dogs.

if I’m honest I’d wonder what other corners you cut and not want to eat at your house…but I get what you’re saying re dishwasher.
however are you always running it at 90 degree sterilisation ? Is the Celsius?

our normal run is 50 and you’re assuming maximum efficiency etc. it seems grim. Sorry!