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Overbearing MIL/FIL outstayed their welcome (from husbands pov) & lazy wife.

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JustmeRob · 17/04/2025 14:45

Before I get started, let me lay some groundwork. My wife and I have a 2-year-old son who is mixed English-Chinese. Since he was born, we have either had my wife's parents staying with us, or a hired live-in nanny, because my wife insists that she cannot manage on her own. This is due to her laziness, but I'll get to that later. Bear in mind, we both work from home permanently and are pretty flexible with our schedules.

The in-laws stayed with us for six months after our son was born in January, then returned to China for 6 months, and a live-in nanny was hired. This February, the in-laws returned to stay with us for another 6 months (4 months to go, not that I'm counting). They also came on holiday with us for three weeks at Christmas, and before that, two other two-week holidays. We also have a holiday booked for May, and guess what, they're coming with us again.

Now, to the subject line. My MIL, whom I've nicknamed my shadow, is constantly following me around when I'm with my son. If I go into the garden to play with him, she will follow. If I go into a different room with him, she will follow. If I go upstairs, you guessed it, I can literally feel her behind me wherever we go. She will even pick him up while I'm with him and take him away, or try to shove some food in his mouth in the middle of us playing. She just has to be involved. It's got to the point that I'm avoiding spending time with my son, because it's causing me an immense amount of stress! I have asked my wife to speak to her Mum about this, as her parents don't speak English, but nothing changes - either because she hasn't told them or they won't change.

Now to the lazy wife part. My wife doesn't cook, clean, or generally spend much time with our son; I don't know why, but it's like she would just rather let someone else do the hard work. If he wakes up in the night, either me or the MIL will attend to him because my wife says she doesn't hear him, despite having a baby monitor next to her bed. I'm deaf in one ear, but I can still hear him okay! Our son usually wakes up between 7 and 8 am most mornings. I'm generally up around 5 am (not because I have to, but it's the only time I get a few hours to myself), and either me or the MIL will start his morning routine, whoever gets to him first. My wife will stay in bed until 10 a.m., sometimes 11 a.m. When she does wake up, we're either already at the park or home playing, reading, etc. My wife won't make any effort to get involved; she'll sit on her phone or computer, or eat the breakfast that has been made for her. At around 1 pm, when it's nap time (which I've been trying to explain we should phase out, but it falls on deaf ears), my wife will either go back to bed or go out somewhere. The laziness even extends to trivial things, like not closing a cupboard door after taking something out, or eating and leaving dishes in the sink instead of washing them. It has been the cause of several arguments, not just with me, but also with her parents, who cut their last visit short by a few weeks because they couldn't take her lack of appreciation. Still, she is happy to give out orders and tell people what they are doing wrong, despite not doing it herself. I've tried to address this with my wife, but she's the type of person who is very defensive and can't admit to being wrong. In fact, she knows she is lazy and has admitted it, but refuses to change. I reached breaking point last week and had to bring it up again, only for her to tell me, "She doesn't care what I think, my opinion doesn't matter, so just shut up about it" - We've been married for seven years but don't have the best relationship, so saying things like this are normal to her; in the past she has told me I'm useless, will never amount to anything, i'm a loser, despite being educated and having a good, well paid job, and in general, liked by everyone. She says she says these things in the heat of the moment and doesn't mean them, but I'm the type of person who cant forgive and forget easily.

I feel like I am fighting a losing battle, which is affecting both my physical and mental health, and the precious time I/we should be spending with our son. I don't want to go on holiday with them next month because of all this, but I also don't want to miss out this time with my son. I'm so torn, I don't know what to do for the best. I don't have anyone else I can talk to about this, and I'm at my wits' end.

If you've got this far, thanks for reading. I don't have anyone else I can talk to or share this with, so I appreciate any feedback or thoughts.

OP posts:
wizzywig · 17/04/2025 14:47

Was her lack of life skills a surprise to you? Has it happened only since she has had your child?

wizzywig · 17/04/2025 14:48

Also is she raised here or China? Am asking incase that is influencing her expectations and how she talks to you

GCAcademic · 17/04/2025 14:48

This marriage is over. You both despise each other. For your child’s sake, as well as your own, you need to call time on it.

Radiatorvalves · 17/04/2025 14:49

That sounds impossible - really odd and I certainly couldn’t live like that. I think you need to talk to your wife, say enough is enough. Either she meets you half way or you split (and I imagine go for 50/50 care as starting point).

Pleasegodgotosleep · 17/04/2025 14:51

Was she like this before she had your son? Could it be pnd? Does she need help and that's why her parents are always there?

Once you get to the bottom of that and get her whatever help she needs (if she does) I would stop her parents constantly staying. Hotel if they want to be here not your home.

S0j0urn4r · 17/04/2025 14:51

Take your son out in the car so MIL can't butt in. Just drive to the park/shops whatever and go for a walk.
Was your wife like this before the baby? Could it be PND?
If not, maybe try marriage guidance.

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 17/04/2025 14:52

In your shoes i'd get a divorce and go for primary custody or 50/50

Simplestars · 17/04/2025 14:54

Could it be post natal depression?
Was she like this before she had the son

Did she sleep alot before?

Cosycover · 17/04/2025 14:55

Honestly sounds like you would be better off spliting and sharing custody. Then you will get time alone with your son. This is a crazy way to live.

Simplestars · 17/04/2025 14:55

Take your son to toddler and parenr swimming classes.
Sure MIL can't go

Octavia64 · 17/04/2025 14:56

Umm.

it is culturally quite normal for grandparents to spend significant time with and look after grandchildren while their children work in China.

if you both work presumably your child is in childcare (is this the grandparents/live in nanny?) while you both work.

if you can afford a live in nanny I’m not sure why you are bothered about how much cooking and cleaning she does - just get a cleaner/order in food.

MereNoelle · 17/04/2025 14:56

It sounds like the marriage is dead in the water. If she’s as uninterested in your child as you say, maybe she’d be happy with you having the child with you the majority of the time while she was EOW or something. You wouldn’t have to have the ILs anywhere near you then!

thepariscrimefiles · 17/04/2025 14:57

I don't blame you for not wanting your in-laws living with you for six months a year. However, the only way to stop this is to leave your wife. Most of the differences are obviously cultural so probably won't change.

Your relationship with your wife does sound awful. If what you say about her relationship with your child is true, she doesn't seem to have bonded with her child at all. If you separated,would she want your child 50% of the time? If she did, would she outsource this to her parents?

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 17/04/2025 14:59

did you and your wife discuss anything about child-raising before your son was born? was it a planned pregnancy? did she say anything then about her expectations/ opinions? has anything changed?

RockyRogue1001 · 17/04/2025 15:00

Perhaps get an english/Chinese translation app on your phone?

TY78910 · 17/04/2025 15:02

The parents being around for prolonged periods of time is cultural - I know a few couples with a Chinese mother and that seems to have been the case. It’s not a case of overbearing PILs, it’s just the way it is in their society. The following you around though is something you can question though.

On to the other stuff - if you have been in a rocky relationship for 7 years, respectfully, why did you have a baby? I understand you may naturally want to progress in that direction, but if it’s not with the right person then you’re just creating a bigger problem - and the child is stuck in the middle of it.

If the ‘lazy’ behaviour is new, then perhaps PND is something worth exploring, as it is more common than people think.

I’m undecided on whether I like your tone, or some of the wording. I’m trying to be objective but you clearly don’t respect her so why are you still together?

communalgarden · 17/04/2025 15:04

I lived in China for seven years, none of this is surprising. I have had my own Chinese ILs staying, I feel you OP, I totally feel you.
I suspect you are married to what was defined in my day as a "Shanghai Princess".
She probably never had to lift a finger in her life regarding domestic chores, everything was always done for her by her parents or by ayis.

ZookeeperSE · 17/04/2025 15:10

Some things are a bit unclear here…
Does she work full time from home?
Do you work full time from home?
You say that you need her parents/or Live in Nanny to do the work because she’s lazy - do you mean to do her 50% of the work - because you’re doing your 50%?

As for bemoaning the inlaws, sounds like they’re helping you out. Culturally normal to be very involved in Grandchild’s life. You married in to a different culture so should at least have been aware/prepared for that.

PinkArt · 17/04/2025 15:24

You both work (full time?) but 'my wife insists that she cannot manage on her own. This is due to her laziness'. Of course she can't manage on her own if she's working! That's why people have childcare, in your case your in laws and/ or a nanny.
Some people might call it lazy not to learn a word of the language your in laws speak, especially when they have been providing childcare for months on end.
It sounds like you hate her though, and she you, so get practical and start divorce procedings.

INeedAnotherName · 17/04/2025 15:29

Was she like this pre childbirth with zero cleaning or cooking? If yes then that's on you not to have realised that giving birth doesn't turn women into house goddesses. If no, the chores were equal, I would start looking at possible PND. Has this been explored?

You say MIL keeps following you and taking the baby - what happens if you take the baby off her?

SparklyGlitterballs · 17/04/2025 15:32

If your wife isn't willing to make any effort to change then it may be time to end the relationship as this is no way to live. Would she fight you if you went for primary residency for your son? At the very least you should have 50/50. It sounds as though your son would be better off with you. If you split up I'd want there to be some restrictions on your wife taking the child to China, in case she doesn't return (although China is a Hague Convention country).

VickyEadieofThigh · 17/04/2025 15:33

TY78910 · 17/04/2025 15:02

The parents being around for prolonged periods of time is cultural - I know a few couples with a Chinese mother and that seems to have been the case. It’s not a case of overbearing PILs, it’s just the way it is in their society. The following you around though is something you can question though.

On to the other stuff - if you have been in a rocky relationship for 7 years, respectfully, why did you have a baby? I understand you may naturally want to progress in that direction, but if it’s not with the right person then you’re just creating a bigger problem - and the child is stuck in the middle of it.

If the ‘lazy’ behaviour is new, then perhaps PND is something worth exploring, as it is more common than people think.

I’m undecided on whether I like your tone, or some of the wording. I’m trying to be objective but you clearly don’t respect her so why are you still together?

I came along to ask the same question - if the marriage was already rocky (and I'm assuming your wife was already "lazy" before you conceived the child), why on earth did you have a child with her?

I'm also assuming you'd already met her parents?

Orangemintcream · 17/04/2025 15:40

Tbh I’d just get a divorce. You’d be free of her and her parents.

Youll likely be the default parent but it sounds like you already are. She doesn’t sound as though she will want to have him all the time.

SporadicMincePieMuncher · 17/04/2025 15:41

You both work full time - she's right that she isn't able to care for a 2 year old at the same time, even with flexible hours.

Use your phone and google translate to talk to your MIL. You have the technology at your hands to be able to communicate across the language barrier.

JHound · 17/04/2025 15:42

I don’t understand people with cross cultural marriages and then amazed there are cross cultural differences.

It’s not unusual in a number of cultures for childrearing to not be seen as the job solely of mom (with some assistance from Dad.)

Also you say she is lazy and does not cook and clean….

…..but you chose her. How did you miss that she does not cook and clean? Or has she randomly changed? She belittles you, is lazy, but you married her?

I honestly am continually perplexed by so many people here who decide to proceed to marry what sound like awful partners.

Your wife is a dud but only you can decide what to do next.