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Overbearing MIL/FIL outstayed their welcome (from husbands pov) & lazy wife.

48 replies

JustmeRob · 17/04/2025 14:45

Before I get started, let me lay some groundwork. My wife and I have a 2-year-old son who is mixed English-Chinese. Since he was born, we have either had my wife's parents staying with us, or a hired live-in nanny, because my wife insists that she cannot manage on her own. This is due to her laziness, but I'll get to that later. Bear in mind, we both work from home permanently and are pretty flexible with our schedules.

The in-laws stayed with us for six months after our son was born in January, then returned to China for 6 months, and a live-in nanny was hired. This February, the in-laws returned to stay with us for another 6 months (4 months to go, not that I'm counting). They also came on holiday with us for three weeks at Christmas, and before that, two other two-week holidays. We also have a holiday booked for May, and guess what, they're coming with us again.

Now, to the subject line. My MIL, whom I've nicknamed my shadow, is constantly following me around when I'm with my son. If I go into the garden to play with him, she will follow. If I go into a different room with him, she will follow. If I go upstairs, you guessed it, I can literally feel her behind me wherever we go. She will even pick him up while I'm with him and take him away, or try to shove some food in his mouth in the middle of us playing. She just has to be involved. It's got to the point that I'm avoiding spending time with my son, because it's causing me an immense amount of stress! I have asked my wife to speak to her Mum about this, as her parents don't speak English, but nothing changes - either because she hasn't told them or they won't change.

Now to the lazy wife part. My wife doesn't cook, clean, or generally spend much time with our son; I don't know why, but it's like she would just rather let someone else do the hard work. If he wakes up in the night, either me or the MIL will attend to him because my wife says she doesn't hear him, despite having a baby monitor next to her bed. I'm deaf in one ear, but I can still hear him okay! Our son usually wakes up between 7 and 8 am most mornings. I'm generally up around 5 am (not because I have to, but it's the only time I get a few hours to myself), and either me or the MIL will start his morning routine, whoever gets to him first. My wife will stay in bed until 10 a.m., sometimes 11 a.m. When she does wake up, we're either already at the park or home playing, reading, etc. My wife won't make any effort to get involved; she'll sit on her phone or computer, or eat the breakfast that has been made for her. At around 1 pm, when it's nap time (which I've been trying to explain we should phase out, but it falls on deaf ears), my wife will either go back to bed or go out somewhere. The laziness even extends to trivial things, like not closing a cupboard door after taking something out, or eating and leaving dishes in the sink instead of washing them. It has been the cause of several arguments, not just with me, but also with her parents, who cut their last visit short by a few weeks because they couldn't take her lack of appreciation. Still, she is happy to give out orders and tell people what they are doing wrong, despite not doing it herself. I've tried to address this with my wife, but she's the type of person who is very defensive and can't admit to being wrong. In fact, she knows she is lazy and has admitted it, but refuses to change. I reached breaking point last week and had to bring it up again, only for her to tell me, "She doesn't care what I think, my opinion doesn't matter, so just shut up about it" - We've been married for seven years but don't have the best relationship, so saying things like this are normal to her; in the past she has told me I'm useless, will never amount to anything, i'm a loser, despite being educated and having a good, well paid job, and in general, liked by everyone. She says she says these things in the heat of the moment and doesn't mean them, but I'm the type of person who cant forgive and forget easily.

I feel like I am fighting a losing battle, which is affecting both my physical and mental health, and the precious time I/we should be spending with our son. I don't want to go on holiday with them next month because of all this, but I also don't want to miss out this time with my son. I'm so torn, I don't know what to do for the best. I don't have anyone else I can talk to about this, and I'm at my wits' end.

If you've got this far, thanks for reading. I don't have anyone else I can talk to or share this with, so I appreciate any feedback or thoughts.

OP posts:
ClaredeBear · 17/04/2025 15:50

If you split and share custody you’ll have time with your son alone. This sounds like a horrible situation.

SeventeenClovesOfGarlic · 17/04/2025 15:51

Why not divorce? You both despise each other and it's not an environment that will make your child secure and happy.
Parent 50/50, or be the resident parent, and enjoy life.

Motnight · 17/04/2025 15:52

GCAcademic · 17/04/2025 14:48

This marriage is over. You both despise each other. For your child’s sake, as well as your own, you need to call time on it.

This.

Searchingforthelight · 17/04/2025 15:57

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 17/04/2025 14:52

In your shoes i'd get a divorce and go for primary custody or 50/50

Id be doing this

Sounds like an absolute nightmare

Why on earth are they living with you half the time?
It would drive me spare

It's affecting your time with your child big time

Get out of this madness, and take your child with you, for primary custody or 50:50 minimum.

S0j0urn4r · 17/04/2025 17:10

If you think you might separate start keeping a diary. Log the lack of childcare etc. I know it sounds horrible but you'll need evidence for custody etc.

wizzywig · 17/04/2025 18:57

She might take their child abroad? Who knows. He hasn't come back.maybe he just needed to offload

OldCottageGreenhouse · 17/04/2025 19:03

The Chinese MIL being there 6 months is bizarre! What on earth for? And the following you around sounds like the stuff of a fever nightmare <shivers>

GreenCandleWax · 17/04/2025 19:10

I don't understand who is making the decisions here about prolonged visits by your Pils, them coming on several holidays, etc. Are you involved in these decisions? If not, what is going on. It sounds as though your home is taken over periodically with no input from you although the dynamic affects you a lot. Do you see the Pils presence as saving the situation in some way? So you assrt yourself in your own home, or go along with other people's decisions as it relieves you of dealing with difficult stuff with your DW?

kaela100 · 17/04/2025 19:20

This is all very normal when marrying a China born & raised woman. Even white people born and raised in China are like this. There is such a focus on education that kids don't always develop practical life skills until they're ready to marry and live apart from their families & even then help is so cheap that many people never develop these skills.

It sounds insane but the Chinese Embassy actually does some practical help here. One of my friends was offered a Chinese interpreter who told her mil to sort her daughter out as she was an embarrassment & together they arranged housekeeping classes somewhere that the mil paid for.

Moveoverdarlin · 17/04/2025 19:23

Gets up at 10am goes back to bed at 1pm for a nap? Wow.

TheAmusedQuail · 17/04/2025 19:25

Leave her and do 50/50 co-parenting. Her parents can live with her full-time. You'll get 50% of the time with your son. Winner!

Screamingabdabz · 17/04/2025 19:27

This is partly a problem of your own making. Why did you marry and have a child with her? Why are so passive? Why don’t you just tell the MIL to back off? Have you talked to your wife about any of this?

It sounds a nightmare but I wouldn't be in that situation as I would’ve known exactly what I was getting into when I signed the marriage certificate.

Endofyear · 17/04/2025 19:37

She sounds awful, if I were you, I'd get a divorce and share custody so that you actually get some quality time alone with your son.

Wtafdidido · 17/04/2025 19:40

You clearly have the patience of a saint to have tolerated this for so long! If you left would you take your child? She is a lazy cow who will not change and that’s the bottom line. Maybe she needs a sharp shock like being asked for a divorce to give her a shake.

Enthusiasticcarrotgrower · 17/04/2025 19:52

Sounds like depression to me. Possibly also iron deficiency?

She’s been rendered completely dependent by an overly dominant mother and they’re completely enmeshed. My SIL is like this with her mother (also South East Asian, not Chinese though). It’s normal to her and BIL just goes along with it.

It’s been going on for two years now so I don’t know what you can do really. Other than take your son out on your own to spend time with him.

carly2803 · 17/04/2025 19:58

your MIL will understand no and shake your head when she tries to take your child
you need to be assertive here
they also need to stop coming over for 6 months at a time let you bond with your child

be very careful they dont take the baby back to china!

Cardinalita90 · 17/04/2025 20:08

Agree with posters about separating however given your in-laws extensive involvement, be careful of your child being whisked off to China in the middle of the night by your wife and her parents If you split.

How does your wife think she'll build a relationship with your son between working full time, a nanny, and parents doing everything?

Purplevioletblu · 17/04/2025 20:20

Would your wife consider going to her gp about possible post natal depression, it seems very sad for your son if she hasn't bonded with him. My in-laws are overbearing but not to that extreme, I don't think I could stay married if I had to live with them and go on holiday, how awful. If you separated would you be concerned that they may try to take him out of the country?

Bluedabadeeba · 17/04/2025 21:06

This is 100% cultural difference and expectations in raising kids. Having lived in China for many years and then in another Chinese speaking country, I'm surprised none of these differences came up before you got married and had kids.

Her lack of respect for you though, is a deal breaker in my book.

If you divorce, be careful, they might take him back to China.. something to consider.

Bourbonbonbon · 17/04/2025 21:14

The first thing to do is establish if she's depressed.

Lay your own ground rules with your MIL. She doesn't come into the room when you're having Daddy son time together.

Book a week away for just you and the child.

Give an ultimatum that couples counseling is happening or the marriage is over.

MereNoelle · 17/04/2025 21:19

Bluedabadeeba · 17/04/2025 21:06

This is 100% cultural difference and expectations in raising kids. Having lived in China for many years and then in another Chinese speaking country, I'm surprised none of these differences came up before you got married and had kids.

Her lack of respect for you though, is a deal breaker in my book.

If you divorce, be careful, they might take him back to China.. something to consider.

Is not getting up in the night with your baby, not getting up until 11am then having a lunchtime nap a cultural difference?

User37482 · 17/04/2025 21:46

I’d call time on this marriage, I would also consider going for full custody, she doesn’t sound like she wants to be a parent. On mumsnet women are often told not to leave their child with a shit husband, I think you shouldn’t expect that she would be ok to be left with a child and be responsible.

Thepossibility · 17/04/2025 23:02

You need a divorce and shared custody. Then the time you have with your son will be just the two of you. You will probably end up having him most of the time unless her parents are there because she simply can't be bothered. My DM is like her and I didn't see her from the ages of 9-15.

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