To despise my neighbours.

[Louiselo]

This is a complicated one to explain but I will try.

I live in a flat and there are 2 other flats below me. Opposite are two town houses. There is a car park in between all properties. Imagine a rectangle on one long side are two flats (mine is just outside the rectangle) and on the other long side are the back door for the two town houses. In the middle is the car park. The flats below me do not have the right to park in the car park, there are two spaces for the cars belonging to the town houses. The town houses front doors are on the main road (terraced street). I also have a car parking space but this is set back from the rectangle and is on my property deeds.

The town house neighbours are the most filthiest people I’ve come across. They put bin bags out all week, which get ripped opened by wildlife. This leaves dirty nappy’s on the driveway to our car park. They dump and dump electrical goods on the entry way to our car park. Now this is what I want to know they have a front door. Should their bin bags go outside their house as they have a front door. Or is it ok for them to dump them to the entry way to our shared car park?

They also have left large pallets, a cooker and a large dining table with four chairs in the car park. While I appreciate they can park there isn’t ok to turn the car park into their own dumping ground? I will try and attach photos.

Thanks for reading.

They're fly tipping. Report them to the council.

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What have the council said when you reported them?

I have and they seem to be doing nothing about it. The filth is driving me insane. I hate walking past it and I hate that my husband is clearing away someone else rubbish!

They will investigate. I have reported multiple times and nothing is stopping these people!

Knock on their door, smile sweetly and hand them their rubbish "I think these are yours?"

Why is your husband clearing it? You need to call the council every day to come take it away. If you keep clearing it there’s nothing to investigate.

Keep reporting it as fly tipping every time. There is a good app which makes it easy called fix my street.

Environmental health.

Are you in Birmingham OP? They have big rubbish problems at the moment

Because there’s spoiled nappies in the drive way and we don’t want our dogs to go near it when we walk them.

I’ll look this up thanks.

You could inform your local police as a non-emergency. Fly tipping is a criminal offence.

Agree with previous poster. Fix my street sends your complaints direct to your council. You can do it anonymously as many times as you like. Also email your councillor every time and remind them that the Councils failure to act after numerous complaints will end up eventually in a referral to the Ombudsman. You can also email environmental health over the burst bags, the constant mess and of course encouraging rats. Just keep at it but try and not let it get to you. Irritate everyone you can, be the squeaky wheel and get it fixed. There’s someone on our fixmystreet that complains constantly about parking on double yellow lines in their street due to a local garage. They have said they will put these complaints in until the Council deals with it. I’ve found emailing the head of the council gets good results as they tend then to pass it down to the relevant person at Director level.

There's a national number 0800 807 060
www.keepbritaintidy.org/faqs/advice/fly-tipping-and-law

That's disgusting. Filthy rotters!

I hate upstairs neighbours to you aren’t alone

For goodness sale get onto your local councillor! Look them up, chase the councillor, plus report on fixmystreet, report to env heath, report to mp if you have to! Be a nuisance, the council does have the ability to deal with it.

Keep reporting it everywhere especially environmental health. You will end up with rats. Also contact your MP and councillor. Keep on reporting them.

I just don't get why people do this (if they are not in the middle of a bin strike).

Thanks everyone for the advice! I definitely will make myself a nuisance! We are defo not in the middle of a bin strike. We had bins collected today 30 mins later 5 more bin bags left of the drove. My husband has moved them to outside their house. I just don’t understand why you have no respect for where you live! The wheelie bins we have are for the 3 flats for recycling, but we can never use them as they fill the bins with crap and th n they’re not collected. Meaning we can’t recycle properly! It is all just very frustrating.

Some people just don't care and ruin it for the rest of us decent families

My husband has moved them to outside their house.

Good for him. Fab man.

Are you basing this solely on what you have seen in the press? If so then you can't be blamed for not knowing the truth, as the media have zoomed in on some of the dirtiest parts of the city to report that the filth is all part of the bin collection strike - and really, it isn't.

Yes, those areas are worse than usual because of the bin strike, however, they are pretty grim all year round anyway. A quick look at the comments left on such stories posted to social media will confirm this and more.

The vast majority of Birmingham remains visually unchanged. The bulk of the streets are not filled with rubbish. People are making huge efforts to use the council tips (of which there are several), many of the black bins (standard waste) are still being emptied regularly, albeit less often (typically every fortnight instead of weekly), leaving only the recycling to deal with.

Add to this the fact that whilst Birmingham City Council is the major council for the area, many large parts of Birmingham which make up the border of the city come under the control of other councils, such as Sandwell, Walsall, Lichfield, Solihull, and Bromsgrove, none of whom have bin strikes at the moment. Indeed Lichfield have recently stepped in to help Birmingham City Council with their waste collection in parts not covered by Lichfield.

As it stands, I have no opinions either way on the dispute that's taking place, but I am getting really, really pis$ed off with the way that it's being made out that we're all living like Stig of The Dump - it makes a complete mockery of all the hard work that individuals are putting in to make sure that the bulk of the city stays as clean as it can. But of course that doesn't making for an interesting story.

What a bizarre overreaction to a simple enquiry about location.

OP,

From your description of the way the houses and flats back onto a communal car park (and yes I have read your comments about who can use the car park and who can't - this is really not my point), and looking at the photos, I can only conclude the properties must be reasonably new-builds, and that the land your property is on, along with the car park, must be leasehold too, by the very nature of yours being flats and the car park shared.

To that end, you should be talking to your freeholder and to the managing agent if there is one. If there is no agent then you must have some sort of "right to manage" collaboration within your set-up. While the council may be able to help with this, they aren't your only port of call. Whoever is in charge of managing the development is the one to tell you where bin bags should be going, and who is responsible for providing receptacles in which to place the rubbish - Mumsnet won't be able to tell you about that.

As an aside, do the people leaving the rubbish rent the property? If they do, you could try and locate the landlord and / or letting agent and go down that route too.