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One day old baby in pub

785 replies

Frenchie01 · 09/04/2025 23:27

So family member gave birth to first baby yesterday afternoon, she's a very young mum only 17 , normal delivery but episiotomy, baby good weight healthy. Was discharged home today and a couple of hours later was at the local pub not drinking alcohol just showing baby off and eating a meal , but am I right in thinking a day old baby baby is really too young to be in a pub or anywhere really , also worried she should be resting as obviously will be sore. Other family members have said I'm being old fashioned am I.

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SwingTheMonkey · 11/04/2025 19:27

FridaFancy · 11/04/2025 19:22

I gave birth at home on a Sunday, dropped my boys at school on the Monday and did a Morrisons shop with my newborn. Should I have languished on the sofa?

That’s fine. The light/noise/toxicity/germs etc are only an issue if there’s alcohol served on the premises.

SouthLondonMum22 · 11/04/2025 19:27

doreeen · 11/04/2025 19:25

Again, the definitely does not work if your baby has older siblings 😅 Thousands of babies are brought home to houses already inhabited by a couple of toddlers or small children, that are pretty noisy and chaotic. Babies just fit into the environment and sleep through everything when they’re newborn IME. The idea of creating some serene dimly lit silent cocooning atmosphere is funny.

It doesn't work if your baby is a twin either. They get another baby screaming in their ear/face daily. 😂

DeskJotter · 11/04/2025 19:28

Livingbytheocean · 10/04/2025 07:27

The baby’s first day on earth and their parent thinks a rancid old pub is the first thing they will be introduced to?

It really is astonishing. Mindless. Setting the worst possible precedent and putting the parents wishes over the needs of a tiny newly delivered baby, even the thought of it really upsets me.

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Why do you think it was a rancid old pub?

FridaFancy · 11/04/2025 19:28

SwingTheMonkey · 11/04/2025 19:27

That’s fine. The light/noise/toxicity/germs etc are only an issue if there’s alcohol served on the premises.

Aaahhh, that makes so much sense. Thank you 🤣

DeskJotter · 11/04/2025 19:30

Livingbytheocean · 10/04/2025 07:31

It’s just rough.
It could be the nicest pub in the world, it’s still not a place for a newborn baby that has only just arrived.

It’s just unthinkable to me, no wonder social services are overwhelmed if people genuinely think this is acceptable parenting, there is no thought whatsoever of the comfort and well being of the baby, that’s the issue I have with it.

But what makes you think the baby was uncomfortable or that their wellbeing was in danger?

Port1aCastis · 11/04/2025 19:30

You know people that are landlords/ landladies usually live and work in a pub and still have babies.

DeskJotter · 11/04/2025 19:31

Livingbytheocean · 10/04/2025 07:43

Babies find birth traumatic, their bodies are full of cortisol, and the shock of delivery regardless of how easy or otherwise is considerable.

The stress and sometimes pain can last a few days at least - why wouldn’t you want to make a baby comfortable and warm at home, to offer a quiet sanctuary to a tiny human being that has already just endured such an epic, exhausting delivery? So their tiny bodies can regulate, their central nervous systems can settle down, they are able to start to feel secure and bond with their mother?

Their immune systems are not fully developed at all, so why expose them to so many germs? Needless germs too, because although hospitals are essential to the baby’s safe delivery, a pub certainly isn’t essential is it.

I am just speechless anyone would even consider this to be in the best interests of the baby! Clearly it is not. It is what the parents want to do, and that is a very sad start to their lives.

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Why do you think the baby was uncomfortable and cold?

CurlewKate · 11/04/2025 19:34

SwingTheMonkey · 11/04/2025 19:27

That’s fine. The light/noise/toxicity/germs etc are only an issue if there’s alcohol served on the premises.

Or if the mother is doing it because she wants to/is enjoying herself. Perfectly fine if she is fulfilling her womanly duties-like doing the school run and a big shop.

FridaFancy · 11/04/2025 19:40

CurlewKate · 11/04/2025 19:34

Or if the mother is doing it because she wants to/is enjoying herself. Perfectly fine if she is fulfilling her womanly duties-like doing the school run and a big shop.

Of course! God forbid a postpartum woman fail to relinquish herself entirely to motherhood and societal expectations. Broken Britain etc.

doreeen · 11/04/2025 19:46

Livingbytheocean · 10/04/2025 07:31

It’s just rough.
It could be the nicest pub in the world, it’s still not a place for a newborn baby that has only just arrived.

It’s just unthinkable to me, no wonder social services are overwhelmed if people genuinely think this is acceptable parenting, there is no thought whatsoever of the comfort and well being of the baby, that’s the issue I have with it.

Social services would not be interested 😭‘newborn baby is out with their mother who is having a meal’ that is not going to raise any concern whatsoever nor is it going to negatively impact baby in any way

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 11/04/2025 19:47

Tbrh · 10/04/2025 01:07

We were told in our antenatal class to avoid people for 3 weeks so the babies immune system could develop. Obviously not everyone can do that, but going to the pub is hardly essential. Quite sad if people can't put their baby first for at least a few weeks

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Which works fine with the first baby, but who’s going to do the school/nursery run if the mother is stuck inside for 3 weeks? It’s just not practical.

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 11/04/2025 19:49

fiorenza · 10/04/2025 01:21

Years ago a friend of a friend was told this, but she wanted to show her first baby off. The baby caught something, and was rendered basically a vegetable. Lived in a home and died at age three.

That's an extreme case, I am sure, but I often think of her. I think it is insane behaviour to take a day old baby to a pub, regardless.

That is an absolutely disgusting way to refer to a disabled person. Honestly, the unchecked ableism on here gets worse.

Bowies · 11/04/2025 19:51

I think it’s fine now there’s no smoking in pubs. If she felt okay she probably wanted to get out. It is easy to overdo things I agree but sitting down having a pub lunch with friends and family is low key,

doreeen · 11/04/2025 20:10

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 11/04/2025 19:47

Which works fine with the first baby, but who’s going to do the school/nursery run if the mother is stuck inside for 3 weeks? It’s just not practical.

Yep none of this ‘no germs being brought into the house, calm quiet environment at home, staying inside for 3 weeks’ works at all if it’s not a first baby 😅

EdgyGreyUser · 11/04/2025 20:20

neverknowinglyunreasonable · 09/04/2025 23:31

It's ok as long as the baby sticks to halves or shandy.

Lol

GiveDogBone · 11/04/2025 20:21

She can do what she wants. But a one day old baby does not have a functioning immune system. If it had caught an infection (flu, etc) from anyone it could have died and there’s very little doctors would have been able to do about it.

Obviously a 17 year old is immature and way too young to have a baby (and very unlikely to be well educated on matters to do with caring for a baby), so her behaviour does not surprise me.

FridaFancy · 11/04/2025 20:24

GiveDogBone · 11/04/2025 20:21

She can do what she wants. But a one day old baby does not have a functioning immune system. If it had caught an infection (flu, etc) from anyone it could have died and there’s very little doctors would have been able to do about it.

Obviously a 17 year old is immature and way too young to have a baby (and very unlikely to be well educated on matters to do with caring for a baby), so her behaviour does not surprise me.

“Obviously a 17 year old is immature”

Immature but probably not judgey as fuck, unlike this poster. I’ve known wildly immature 40 year olds, and teenagers who have been responsible and loving parents. Maybe stop being such a judgemental snob and recognise that age is not a reliable indicator of parenting ability. (And yes, I’m aware of neurophysiology. I’m also aware of individuality)

MrsBeltane · 11/04/2025 20:29

DS was born on a Thursday, we were in the pub for Sunday lunch a few days later.

Singaporeannoodle · 11/04/2025 20:32

I get you op. No judgement for her being young I was also 16 with my first.
But the pub after one day is a bit much imo. I suppose it could depend on what the pub in question is like.
I can't help picturing my local one full of old alcoholic men sneezing coughing and making phlegmy noises everywhere. I caught some kind of vomiting and diarrhea bug a day after being in there and being coughed on.

A more spacious less crowded pub would be completely different I suppose

Growlybear83 · 11/04/2025 20:33

DeskJotter · 11/04/2025 19:31

Why do you think the baby was uncomfortable and cold?

Surely the mother is also stressed after ‘such an epic, exhaustive delivery’ and finds the birth traumatic? I know my labour was one of the most horrendous traumatic events of my life! Maybe the mother’s way of letting her central nervous system settle down is to relax in the pub for a little while?

Quite honestly, I would think it’s more likely that a new born baby, or anyone come to that, would be more at risk of exposure to germs in hospital, but I don’t see people criticising hospital births rather than home births.

Singaporeannoodle · 11/04/2025 20:34

GiveDogBone · 11/04/2025 20:21

She can do what she wants. But a one day old baby does not have a functioning immune system. If it had caught an infection (flu, etc) from anyone it could have died and there’s very little doctors would have been able to do about it.

Obviously a 17 year old is immature and way too young to have a baby (and very unlikely to be well educated on matters to do with caring for a baby), so her behaviour does not surprise me.

No need to be a dick about her age. I had my first at 16 so did the op herself. Not all young mums are the same.

GMV42 · 11/04/2025 20:41

This is ridiculous. There is a serious risk of haemorrhaging after childbirth. That is why people are advised to stay at home. Babies are susceptible to all kinds of illnesses being around lots of people.
I had my first when I was young and I stayed in for 3 weeks bonding as it’s such a precious time.

Smallmercies · 11/04/2025 20:47

Livingbytheocean · 11/04/2025 16:27

Day one of a newborn baby’s life only hours old spent in a pub = grim.

End of.

Why though?

Smallmercies · 11/04/2025 20:48

GMV42 · 11/04/2025 20:41

This is ridiculous. There is a serious risk of haemorrhaging after childbirth. That is why people are advised to stay at home. Babies are susceptible to all kinds of illnesses being around lots of people.
I had my first when I was young and I stayed in for 3 weeks bonding as it’s such a precious time.

Home haemorrhages are less bad than pub ones?

FlatWhiteExtraHot · 11/04/2025 20:48

Livingbytheocean · 10/04/2025 14:06

https://www.lullabytrust.org.uk/about-us/our-campaigns/infection-prevention-week/

Babies are uniquely vulnerable, and those bragging that they don’t care and will expose their newborns to anything hours after arrival are quite frankly bloody irresponsible.

My dear friend had this attitude until her baby developed sepsis. Thankfully she pulled through, but df was much more careful after that.

The advice has never changed re the risks of an undeveloped immune system in very young babies is well known. I suggest pp educate themselves on the risks.

Amazing how you suddenly “remember” your friend’s baby had sepsis because almost everyone is disagreeing with you. If it was true, I’m sure you’d have told us in your first or second post rather than your thirtieth.